Hussar Project X RTA Clone (by Coppervape)
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I ain't no expert guys and gals 
@ShowMeTwice needs to get his .... in here 
That coil was around 0.45ohms. It is definitely spaced a bit more than I prefer, but I find the X deck spreads the coil a bit more when I don''t use enough wraps. I space my wraps mainly so I can use TC, but also because a contact clapton coil can get hotspots. So even in for non TC mods, I space my coil.
Some people find better flavour with contact coils - for me, I didn't notice a difference, so I space them.
I actually like crackling coils But I think - and I may be wrong, that the tighter the wick in the coil, the less crackly they are.
@ShowMeTwice needs to get his .... in here That coil was around 0.45ohms. It is definitely spaced a bit more than I prefer, but I find the X deck spreads the coil a bit more when I don''t use enough wraps. I space my wraps mainly so I can use TC, but also because a contact clapton coil can get hotspots. So even in for non TC mods, I space my coil.
Some people find better flavour with contact coils - for me, I didn't notice a difference, so I space them.
I actually like crackling coils
But I think - and I may be wrong, that the tighter the wick in the coil, the less crackly they are.
@ChelsB I'm so glad you got your X up and running OK 
To prove just what an expert Project X builder I am:
Today after a fresh rewick, my tc mod was throwing up protection. I checked the wicking, dry as hell. So I rewicked it, primed it, put the tank back on, looked at the tank - I had the
ing JFC off 
Vaped awesome once that was back on
To prove just what an expert Project X builder I am:
Today after a fresh rewick, my tc mod was throwing up protection. I checked the wicking, dry as hell. So I rewicked it, primed it, put the tank back on, looked at the tank - I had the
ing JFC off Vaped awesome once that was back on
Good heavens, what did I do now?I ain't no expert guys and gals
That coil was around 0.45ohms. It is definitely spaced a bit more than I prefer, but I find the X deck spreads the coil a bit more when I don''t use enough wraps. I space my wraps mainly so I can use TC, but also because a contact clapton coil can get hotspots. So even in for non TC mods, I space my coil.
Some people find better flavour with contact coils - for me, I didn't notice a difference, so I space them.
I actually like crackling coils
I ain't no expert either. I'm just a guy who knows what works best for me.
I am very behind ... all over. Geez, this thread moved fast since my last visit.
Getting hotspots out of a contact clapton is a chore compared to kanthal. I always space my claptons.
You need to have coils spaced if you are using TC.
@ChelsB and @johnpalley - Contact/spaced coils is a total personal preference thing. Neither way is better, or best, "hands down". It's all personal preference through experimenting with what works best for you. I do not notice any difference between contact vs spaced coils for flavor. Both offer the same great flavor for me. Some swear spaced offer better flavor. Some swear contact is better. I do both contact and spaced with kanthal. I always space 316L coils because that way I can switch between TC and wattage if I choose. I always space claptons (kanthal or 316L).
Crackling - All my builds crackle and it doesn't matter if it's cotton or rayon. Rayon crackles much more loudly than cotton. Rayon is also packed much tighter in a coil than you would with cotton. It needs to be. I have a dozen atty's/mod's going all the time. Some have cotton wicks and others have rayon wicks. I have some with cotton wicks where you can hear a very light crackling and they deliver awesome flavor. I have others with cotton that are louder crackling and are just as awesome with flavor. There is no one thing that I can pinpoint that will determine how much snap, crackle or pop you get. All my current builds have one thing in common ... awesome flavor.
The sound of crackling, loud vs soft, does not matter ...if... you are getting great flavor and hits. I would not chase sounds but I most certainly would chase flavor. If in the process one crackles louder great. But if you are getting great flavor from one that doesn't snap, crackle and pop don't be concerned with it.
Chels, I think the more you build the better you get at it and as your confidence and skill grows you tend to find what works best for you. In the end that is all that matters. Build more and often.
What is "best" or "better" is subjective. It's like Levi's or Wrangler's. Apple or Microsoft. Right?
It is all personal preference gals and guys.
The beauty of vaping ... is we all have many options to get what we're after.
ETA: Wicks. I get long life out of all my wicks (in RDA's + RTA's). What do I mean by long life? I have one in hand using rayon that is going on 20 days with awesome flavor. Another with cotton is going on 14 days with awesome flavor. I don't vape commercial juices. I DIY my juice. Most commercial juices will destroy wicks rather quickly. They use too much flavoring and can be heavy on sweeteners. Those are wick killers. Same with NET's.
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@ChelsB , do you have a Coil Master coiling kit? With some initial practice they wrap coils perfectly each and every time. Once you have spun up a coil you can then space your coil on the coiling rod you are using by pulling on the wire ends. Then take, for example the 2.5 cap or whatever ID cap you used, and push the coil back into the CM tool. It will make a perfectly spaced coil every time (contact coils too).I haven’t filled it yet. I wanted to show my pics first. Does this look okay?
Also, I wonder if I couldn’t adjust the airflow because it wasn’t on a mod? Obviously it needs to be on a mod to get the deck off...
Lightning Vapes sells them for $10.25 here: Coil Master Coiling Kit V4
It's a great tool and there are several videos for learning how to use it. I had someone else I am helping just sit and practice making coils until they got it down pat. Now they are a pro with making excellent coils. Just a thought ...
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Ange if you wrap your coil legs around the inner sides of the screws, versus outer like yours, you will end up with a tighter spaced coil. Works great and is perfect for TC. Even with your 5 wrap coil. Your coil is what, 0.5Ω???
My coil is a 7 wrap spaced ss316L 32*3/40 twisted fused clapton with a 2.5ID coming in at 0.7Ω. Basically my wire is the same overall thickness as your clapton wire.
@ChelsB , do you see how my coil is centered? It is centered with the cutouts and the 3 air holes on each side. I use my CM coiling rod and insert the coil in the deck cutouts as @Janusz mentioned in his post. It will line your coil up perfectly to center and the proper height for the X. After I tighten the screws, and while the rod is still in the coil, I will push the coil downwards so that when I am looking at the deck from the side the inside of my coil lines up perfectly with the cutouts on each side. All you need to do then, while your coil is still on the rod, is position/center your coil so that the 3 air holes on each side are lined up with the middle of your coil. After you remove the coil rod look to see that your coil is centered to the cutouts and the air holes. Then wick your coil and don't move, or re-position, the coil while doing so. Check again after you wick your coil to make sure it is centered. Hope that helps.
Next time I pop a coil in one of my X's I will shoot some photo's and post them.
After you insert your wick grab each end of the wick and move it side to side until it evens out on both sides. That will smooth out the shoulders on each side so they are not lopsided. Or thicker on one side. You may have to move it quite a bit to get it even on both sides but it will even out.
If you twist your wick while installing it in the coil that will help to reduce thickness on one side.
When you insert your wick into the coil you should feel resistance while pulling through the coil. If your coil is moving a lot then you have too much. If your wick is freely moving you have too little. There is a balance that you will find by doing.
Then trim evenly on both sides. I trim mine to ~2-3mm longer than the side of the deck for rayon. With cotton I trim right at the side of the deck (no biggie if it's a little longer). If you are using cotton you may have to trim some off the top and/or sides. It all depends. Sometimes I trim some but lately I don't trim any whatsoever. I get a perfectly awesome vape each time.
If you have too much wick, too tight in the coil, you will get dry hits. Too little wick and it will flood. There is a balance that you need to find.
Lopsided wicking, thicker on one side, leads to poor wicking which in turn does not give you the best vape. Also with lopsided wicking you will notice the thicker side will get darker. That is because you haven't evened it out side to side. Same applies for trimming the wick before inserting into the juice wells. It needs to be evenly trimmed on both sides.
Hope that helps.
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I've built as low as 0.45 on the X and the vape was excellent. Great flavor too. The only thing with going that low is it will be a much warmer vape. And if you chain vape the DT will get hot.
I aim for between 0.5-0.7 with the Project X (standard). With the Project X MTL I aim for around 1-1.5 ohms with kanthal and 0.7 ohms with 316L.
Chels, the standard Project X is not really an MTL atty per se. Which is why they came out with the Project X MTL. Hussar's customer base wanted a true MTL X (this info can be found in the FB group).
That IS NOT to say you can't MTL with the standard X. You can easily do so by adjusting the airflow to taste. Or as @AngeNZ does with her super airy MTL-RDL experience.
I aim for between 0.5-0.7 with the Project X (standard). With the Project X MTL I aim for around 1-1.5 ohms with kanthal and 0.7 ohms with 316L.
Chels, the standard Project X is not really an MTL atty per se. Which is why they came out with the Project X MTL. Hussar's customer base wanted a true MTL X (this info can be found in the FB group).
That IS NOT to say you can't MTL with the standard X. You can easily do so by adjusting the airflow to taste. Or as @AngeNZ does with her super airy MTL-RDL experience.
@ChelsB , do you have a Coil Master coiling kit? With some initial practice they wrap coils perfectly each and every time. Once you have spun up a coil you can then space your coil on the coiling rod you are using by pulling on the wire ends. Then take, for example the 2.5 cap or whatever ID cap you used, and push the coil back into the CM tool. It will make a perfectly spaced coil every time (contact coils too).
Lightning Vapes sells them for $10.25 here: Coil Master Coiling Kit V4
It's a great tool and there are several videos for learning how to use it. I had someone else I am helping just sit and practice making coils until they got it down pat. Now they are a pro with making excellent coils. Just a thought ...
Yes, I have a coil master, I just misplaced my 3.0 rod that came with it! I have no idea where it could’ve gone!
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I really appreciate everyone in this thread offering up so much help. You guys are awesome!
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I ain't no expert guys and gals
That coil was around 0.45ohms. It is definitely spaced a bit more than I prefer, but I find the X deck spreads the coil a bit more when I don''t use enough wraps. I space my wraps mainly so I can use TC, but also because a contact clapton coil can get hotspots. So even in for non TC mods, I space my coil.
Some people find better flavour with contact coils - for me, I didn't notice a difference, so I space them.
I actually like crackling coils
I think those who can tell the difference between the spaced and non spaced coils must be super tasters. The type of people that can pick up every nuance in a wine or ejuice for that matter. I’m definitely NOT a super taster!
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I would suggest using the 2.5mm rod with the X. While I've used a 3mm ID coil in the X and the vape was excellent this atty does perform better with a 2.5mm ID coil or even 2mm ID coil.
Will do! From what I’ve read, I’m assuming the smaller the coil diameter, the less likely it is that the wick would be compacted under the juiceflow holes. Would that be a correct statement?
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Sort of off topic: I have a bunch of Hussar stuff in my FT cart. Do you guys think I should wait to see if they have a Labor Day sale or do they not do Labor Day sales (given that it’s an American holiday)?
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Ange if you wrap your coil legs around the inner sides of the screws, versus outer like yours, you will end up with a tighter spaced coil. Works great and is perfect for TC. Even with your 5 wrap coil. Your coil is what, 0.5Ω???
My coil is a 7 wrap spaced ss316L 32*3/40 twisted fused clapton with a 2.5ID coming in at 0.7Ω. Basically my wire is the same overall thickness as your clapton wire.
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@ChelsB , do you see how my coil is centered? It is centered with the cutouts and the 3 air holes on each side. I use my CM coiling rod and insert the coil in the deck cutouts as @Janusz mentioned in his post. It will line your coil up perfectly to center and the proper height for the X. After I tighten the screws, and while the rod is still in the coil, I will push the coil downwards so that when I am looking at the deck from the side the inside of my coil lines up perfectly with the cutouts on each side. All you need to do then, while your coil is still on the rod, is position/center your coil so that the 3 air holes on each side are lined up with the middle of your coil. After you remove the coil rod look to see that your coil is centered to the cutouts and the air holes. Then wick your coil and don't move, or re-position, the coil while doing so. Check again after you wick your coil to make sure it is centered. Hope that helps.
Next time I pop a coil in one of my X's I will shoot some photo's and post them.
I never knew there was a difference in wrapping the coil legs around the inside vs the outside of the screws. I learn something new here everyday!
I’m going to build a 2.5 mm, 26g 316L, 7 wrap coil right now. I may even try 2.0 mm diameter, I haven’t decided yet. Because I over wicked I think the smaller diameter may help that. At the very least, I’m getting practice!
Just curious, does anyone ever use 24g on this tank? I very rarely use 24g but I’m assuming it’s probably too big for this tank...
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@ChelsB I'm so glad you got your X up and running OK
To prove just what an expert Project X builder I am:
Today after a fresh rewick, my tc mod was throwing up protection. I checked the wicking, dry as hell. So I rewicked it, primed it, put the tank back on, looked at the tank - I had the
Vaped awesome once that was back on
Me too! Although unlike all of you, the flavor is pretty muted for me so I’m going to try a different juice that has a higher overall flavor percentage
(And sorry for the multiple posts, I am not very good a quoting multiple posts while on Tapatalk)
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No that is not true and it all depends on how you do it. There is a balance you are looking for in your wicking.
Go with a 2.5mm ID coil. Get that down pat before moving onto any other ID. Make certain the wraps are close and evenly spaced. You do not want them widely spaced and closely spaced on the same coil. Even if that means you have to make 20 coils to get it down. That is the only way you will master using the coil tool and making great coils.
Then get the wicking down pat. In any RBA the wicking is where the magic happens. Learning how to wick properly will get you the best vape. Wicking is THE most important part of every RTA. Getting that down solid should be your first priority after learning how to make evenly spaced coils.
Every single time I change a wick I take a very good look at it before removing it. Did it wick evenly? Is one side darker than the other? Were the tails and trim done evenly. Etc, etc, etc. I am always looking to improve what I do.
I suggest going with a 2.5mm coil and getting that down with wicking so you can reproduce that each and every time before you move on to trying other ID's. If you keep changing things up and you don't get it down you will end up frustrated with it. You need to get it down with one coil ID and wire type first.
I used 24g kanthal in the X and it worked fine. I wouldn't be running around grabbing all sorts of wire to try until you can very confidently build with one type first. 26g kanthal or ss316L is perfect. Most folks use a 2.5mm ID with the X.
I agree with above 100%. 2.5mm coil is optimal and easiest to master with Project X. One thing I will add is importance of centering coil ... in Project X this is very important because airflow holes are on side not under coil so if coil is not centered or is positioned too high or too low quality of vape will be very compromised... beauty of Project X is that with 2.5 rod and 2.5 coil centering coil and positioning at perfect hight is extremely easy
What resistance coil are you using... and at what wattage you vape? If you wicked it OK the only reasons you got muted flavor is either bad coil positioning, too low wattage, bad juice... or "vapors tongue" ...Project X is providing me the best flavor from dozen of other RTAs I own.
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