I’ve posted something about this before but now i’m curious

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So I posted b4 about dual using and smoking, and it says your risk of heart attack is 5 times more likely.. I never looked who published the article and who do you know.... Stanton Glantz... anyone think this is true, or just another scare tactic ?

Risk of Heart Attacks Is Double for Daily E-Cigarette Users | Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education


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Yes, peep's who smoke and at risk of heart attack might very well be motivated to try vaping alongside their smoking in an effort to reduce that risk (having had difficulty quitting). If they then had a heart attack…naturally, it's the short-term use of e-cig's that put them at such a statistical risk level. The disproportionate number of them. Jeez, who woulda thought? LOL, NOT. As the duplicitous Herr Dr hints at they have expired expectantly. Therefore, it must be the e-cig, i.e. We don't need no stinkin' proof. Look at the numbers fool. They came, they vaped, they died.

For years I understand the AMA encouraged coroners across the country to certify smoking as cause of death on death certificates if the deceased was known to be a tobacco user. But don't take my word for it or Dr. Glantz'.

Good luck. :)

p.s. This at risk "addict" quit in 2 days after 47years at 1+PAD. Never gave these FDA clowns a second thought these past 5 years.
 

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What information I read in the past stated that it takes five years of not smoking cigarettes at all for your risk of medical complication to return to normal. A dual user would by definition have 0 days out of those five years accomplished. Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor and a lack of reduction in nicotine probably isn’t going to do a lot of good for a heart patient. That said I suspect that 5 times number is probably the same as smoking, which the patient is apparently doing anyway.
 

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So I posted b4 about dual using and smoking, and it says your risk of heart attack is 5 times more likely.. I never looked who published the article and who do you know.... Stanton Glantz... anyone think this is true, or just another scare tactic ?

Risk of Heart Attacks Is Double for Daily E-Cigarette Users | Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education


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First, please edit your post and break that link. Highlight it, and click the button to the right of the link button that looks like a link being snapped in half.

Second, ANY article by Stanton Glantz, or based on a study/report by Stanton Glantz is 100% bovine excrement.
 

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Double fistin' where you vape with one hand and smoke with the other? Yeah that would be a bad idea.

But to vape instead of smoking then having a cigarette at times? I could see maybe the combo being bad for your lungs perhaps but your heart is probably grateful to not have the carbon monoxide from the combusted tobacco.

I dual use and I feel fi....
"Thud" falls over dead.
 

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Correlation does not equal causation.

Maybe, and this is just a theory of mine, a majority of new vapers are smokers looking to quit. The group of smokers most likely to quit are those who are having health issues related to smoking. It would make sense that dual users, those who have the hardest time putting down cigarettes for good, who are already having health issues would have to a increased rate of heart issues.

Look at it like this, people who drink sports drinks, ie Gatorade and such, have a much higher rate of joint damage type injuries. The Gatorade certainly doesn't cause the issues but the group of people who drink sports drinks contains a higher percentage of athletes who are more exposed to those types of injuries.
 

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Um... the study is backwards. It has nothing to do with ecigs and everything to do with tobacco. I have seen NON Glanz studies that state that the risks of dual use are not INCREASED, but that if you smoke, at all, your harm reduction stance is greatly reduced and it's pretty much exactly the same as being a smoker.

Sorry to be a party pooper, but that's really how it is. You can certainly dual use to your heart's content and it is not WORSE than smoking for your health, but it isn't much better.

Continued smoking does not allow your body to "heal" from smoking. You don't even really need a study to back that up, it is such a common sense notion.

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Even after they have been completely smoke-free for several years, ex-smokers still face a significantly higher risk of cardio-vascular disease when compared to never-smokers, and that is regardless of whether they vape or not. In addition to that, most vapers who have already been vaping steadily for more than a few months are ex-smokers, so it is only logical the fact your statistics will be biased as a result from that if you're an obvious quack who conveniently "forgets" to make the whole distinction between vapers who are ex-smokers and vapers who are never-smokers. The bottom line is the tobacco control lobby is ruled by relentless quacks who would rather see you die from smoking than for once choose to promote even a single shred of the overwhelming evidence in support of harm reduction presented/cited by Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos, the Royal College Of Physicians London, and countless other people/organizations whose level of credibility and morality status are pretty impeccable very much unlike the author of dispicable polarizing false arguments that you linked to.
 

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Um... the study is backwards. It has nothing to do with ecigs and everything to do with tobacco. I have seen NON Glanz studies that state that the risks of dual use are not INCREASED, but that if you smoke, at all, your harm reduction stance is greatly reduced and it's pretty much exactly the same as being a smoker.

Sorry to be a party pooper, but that's really how it is. You can certainly dual use to your heart's content and it is not WORSE than smoking for your health, but it isn't much better.

Continued smoking does not allow your body to "heal" from smoking. You don't even really need a study to back that up, it is such a common sense notion.
I guess it depends what one means by "dual use". You're gonna have a hard time convincing me there aren't significant gains to be had for a person who was smoking 40+ a day who cuts back to just one or two.
 

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I guess it depends what one means by "dual use". You're gonna have a hard time convincing me there aren't significant gains to be had for a person who was smoking 40+ a day who cuts back to just one or two.

Exactly my feelings (says the dual-user that still smokes two butts per day, down from 20). I refuse to believe that I have not greatly improved my health by not smoking tens of thousands of cigarettes over the last five years.
 

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Exactly my feelings (says the dual-user that still smokes two butts per day, down from 20). I refuse to believe that I have not greatly improved my health by not smoking tens of thousands of cigarettes over the last five years.

I'm in the same boat and I know I feel better than I did when I was smokin' my pack and a half a day...every day.
 

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Exactly my feelings (says the dual-user that still smokes two butts per day, down from 20). I refuse to believe that I have not greatly improved my health by not smoking tens of thousands of cigarettes over the last five years.
I dual-used for less than a week, but I could already feel the improvement, cutting down from 40 to 4, then 2, then 1.
 

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I'm sure it's healthier smoking less than more. I'm not saying dual use is bad I did it for a long time and I'm sure it helps.

But there are certain physiological changes that happen long term when not smoking. Don't get me wrong, I almost smoked a cigarette yesterday and well, it happens. But I think it's well documented that your body changes-- at 24 hours at 3 days at one week etc. I think the studies on that are pretty factual.

So, you can lessen risk but you can't eliminate it like you would with dual use.

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“Cigarette smokers had biomarker concentrations that were 36% lower for total nicotine equivalents and NNAL, a tobacco-specific nitrosamine, levels that were 23% lower than those of dual users. These nitrosamines are chemicals present in tobacco products that have been shown to cause lung cancer, Goniewicz said. “


Literally just ripped up all of my smokes so I don’t have them and can quit . Already smoked ten stinkies today too. Then I see this [emoji28][emoji28]


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“Cigarette smokers had biomarker concentrations that were 36% lower for total nicotine equivalents and NNAL, a tobacco-specific nitrosamine, levels that were 23% lower than those of dual users. These nitrosamines are chemicals present in tobacco products that have been shown to cause lung cancer, Goniewicz said. “


Literally just ripped up all of my smokes so I don’t have them and can quit . Already smoked ten stinkies today too. Then I see this [emoji28][emoji28]


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I’m gonna give you an unsolicited suggestion that may help you quit for good, so sorry in advance if you don’t want it. Try upping your nicotine mg in your juice to a point where you can’t take anymore nicotine. That way you don’t want a smoke because your overloaded with nicotine. If that can help you go a day or two or ten then it may help you break away. Maybe you don’t want to quit, which is fine, but I thought I’d share that in case you are trying to quit. I apologize if are annoyed by my meddling, I just wanted to share what helped me in case it can help you. Anyway merry Christmas and happy New Year. Oh and that study by Dr. whoever is complete garbage and I hope realizes he’s potentially killing folks. I have a feeling he won’t though because he’s blinded by the money he receiving to come to these conclusions.
 
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