Am I paranoid or what?

[CCVapes23]

E-cigarette use doubles heart attack risk


I keep seeing articles about dual using and it makes the risk for heart attack a lot worse . I smoke about a half pack a day still... I’ve already smoked like half a pack today but I just don’t want to smoke anymore and just vape. Am I doing more damage vaping and smoking?


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[Hawise]

vaping is not harmless. That said, there is solid scientific evidence is that it is much less harmful than smoking.

Clearing up some myths around e-cigarettes - Public health matters
Nicotine without smoke: Tobacco harm reduction

Also, see @Izan's post here.

 

[bombastinator]

Imho smoking fewer cigarettes is smoking fewer cigarettes. “Doubles risk” can be something of a misnomer. For example a woman over 35 doubles her risk of having a child with autism. HOWEVER that doubling is from ~1% to ~2%. Still very close to zero.

 

[Letitia]

You are simply not reading all the articles available which can create paranoia. That's how the ANTZ and bureaucrates keep their foot in the door.

 

[AttyPops]

E-cigarette use doubles heart attack risk


I keep seeing articles about dual using and it makes the risk for heart attack a lot worse . I smoke about a half pack a day still... I’ve already smoked like half a pack today but I just don’t want to smoke anymore and just vape. Am I doing more damage vaping and smoking?


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Lots of debate around this. I'm probably going to catch flack, but here goes:
The "conventional wisdom" is that every cig you skip is a win. That's a positive thing, and if you keep being positive you will eventually "make the switch".

The more...?thoughtful? wisdom...is that you get increased risk. Let's say that smoking 1/2 a pack a day is nearly as dangerous as a pack a day. So you haven't reduced your risk very much, but what you've also done is added any ADDITIONAL risk from vaping (say, flavorings, or PG/VG impacts that we don't know about yet) on top of the cigs. So in a way, you get DUAL RISK with dual use.

The mainstream thought process is "don't discourage dual-users, they'll quit when they're ready". Unfortunately, a lot of vapers are dual users, and you don't get the full advantages of vaping until you actually make the switch. So IF YOU CAN, you should really try your best to give up the combustibles entirely. If you can't, then dual use is the 2nd (or 3rd) best option (quitting it all would be "first best").

with grain of salt.

P.S.
There's a small withdrawal when you switch...there's more to cigs than just nic. But with vaping, you can "push through it". After a short while, cigs will taste and smell like crap. You'll personally smell better, and you can start getting rid of dirty ash trays and quit paying the big taxes to various people and money to BT, and switch over to vaping!

Hope this helps entourage, rather than discourage you. The products of combustion are real nasty.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

E-cigarette use doubles heart attack risk


I keep seeing articles about dual using and it makes the risk for heart attack a lot worse . I smoke about a half pack a day still... I’ve already smoked like half a pack today but I just don’t want to smoke anymore and just vape. Am I doing more damage vaping and smoking?


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Have you considered using WTA in your vape juice? It has helped lots of members get that extra push that nicotine alone cannot provide. Give it some thought and search for WTA in the ecf forums for more info.

Good luck

 

[Jwaterski]

You are not paranoid, death is out to get you!! Double your risk of heart attack? I don't think there's any conclusive evidence of that, but I don't think there's any evidence it's not tripling it either. You've been smoking how long now? There are proven health risk associated with that habit, you have already accepted that risk. You really think you have something to lose by trying vaping, even is you can't make a full switch?

 

[ScottP]

E-cigarette use doubles heart attack risk


I keep seeing articles about dual using and it makes the risk for heart attack a lot worse . I smoke about a half pack a day still... I’ve already smoked like half a pack today but I just don’t want to smoke anymore and just vape. Am I doing more damage vaping and smoking?

The author of that article is Stanton Glantz who gets PAID to demonize, lie, and make up completely fake stuff about vaping. So anytime you see an article that seems to indicate vaping is really really bad, check the author and the various sources mentioned in the article, if his name is anywhere to be found, IGNORE the entire article because it is most likely 100% bovine excrement.

Even IF, it was true, it only applies to dual use of vaping + smoking, and we already knew smoking was bad for your heart.

Now that you know, please break the link in you post.

 

[asmcriminal]

That "Website" is laughable at best. Trying to use that website in an academic paper as a reputable source will be a no go. A few issues, the "supposed" study was self-reported. To begin with, that's unreliable data.

Another issue is that a percentage of those vapers had a heart attack. So what? Everyone who drinks water dies eventually. What was the health condition of these daily vapers? There are other factors at play. Possibly obese vapers have a tendency to vape more due to stress or something.

As I said, that website is ridiculous. I am a former chemist, and I have viewed a lot of studies. That webpage is a joke. It could possibly be Big Tobacco trying to fear monger people to go back to smoking. Looks like they partially got you. I would not be concerned.

Also note, there is not a link to the study at all, and no sources cited.

 

[CagedSpam]

who gets PAID to demonize, lie, and make up completely fake stuff about vaping

Heh, propaganda the Merican way. Somebody's gettin paid.

a link to the study at all, and no sources cited

This is what I usually look for, to see if any actual studies were done.

 

[ScottP]

That "Website" is laughable at best. Trying to use that website in an academic paper as a reputable source will be a no go. A few issues, the "supposed" study was self-reported. To begin with, that's unreliable data.

Another issue is that a percentage of those vapers had a heart attack. So what? Everyone who drinks water dies eventually. What was the health condition of these daily vapers? There are other factors at play. Possibly obese vapers have a tendency to vape more due to stress or something.

As I said, that website is ridiculous. I am a former chemist, and I have viewed a lot of studies. That webpage is a joke. It could possibly be Big Tobacco trying to fear monger people to go back to smoking. Looks like they partially got you. I would not be concerned.

Also note, there is not a link to the study at all, and no sources cited.

All true. Also, this article is Glantz's interpretation of someone else's data. However, I think one of the biggest flaws is that it does not take into account length of time vaping. I mean if someone smokes 3 packs per day for 50 years, then switches to daily vaping for a month, then has a heart attack, these fools would blame vaping, not the 50 years of smoking.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Gluntz's "science" has been shredded here on ECF for as long as I've been here. He's also not a stellar human being either, but UCSF and the FDA love him. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/stanton-glantz-settlement-ucsf-fda-nih

 

[Ryedan]

Lots of debate around this. I'm probably going to catch flack, but here goes:

Not going to get any flack from me here, just an opinion

The "conventional wisdom" is that every cig you skip is a win. That's a positive thing, and if you keep being positive you will eventually "make the switch".

The more...?thoughtful? wisdom...is that you get increased risk. Let's say that smoking 1/2 a pack a day is nearly as dangerous as a pack a day.

I have never seen any data that suggests smoking half as many cigarettes is nearly as bad for us as smoking more. My take is that twice the poison intake is more likely to do more than twice the harm. Then again, I have not looked for data on this and my opinion on this is ... just my opinion.

Vape on @AttyPops

 

[Mepacrin]

Slightly off base, but..........
Back in the day a world class cyclist was told to smoke 4 cigarettes a day to increase his extremely slow heart rate.
Many pro cyclists have all kinds of heart and lung issues because the organs are over-worked.

Two points arise.
Where do you draw the line?
Is " healthy " all it's cracked up to be?

 

[Steamix]

'The voice of vaping since 2007' ... So some of us vaper's been around for a decade by now.
Granted, one can smoke for three decades and still be around as well.

But according to the ANTZ's scaremongering vapers oughta be droppin' like flies.
Which they didn't. Which is p****ng off the ANTZ no end.
Which in turn pleases us vapers

It's been said already - follow the money trail. Chances are that very biased opinions are paid-for opinions.

Vaping isn't harmless. You inhale stuff. Which you also do when you're not a vaper.
This isn't a pristine planet anymore, starting with the first breath, you inhale stuff.
Living near a busy highway and not vaping or smoking might be on par with a light smoker living upcountry...
Switch to vaping - you win
Keep smoking - taxman wins.

What I dislike most is the bigotry behind it. Upward of $10000000000 tobacco tax annually.
Imagine all smokers in the country quitting for just a single month - tax people would come crawling on their knees and beg you to pick a ... again, cuz like any common pol the dough gets spent before it's actually in the till...

Do as you see fit