I Give Up On E-Cigs For Now

[FourWinds]

It's a shame you felt unwell, but don't stress too much; when inhaling nicotine you would start to puke way before you caused yourself any real harm I understand. The truth is that sudden health paranoia can wind people up into what amounts to a panic attack.

If you don't smoke, and you clearly don't, don't inhale nicotine again. From what you say, I'd have to advise that you stay away from the analogues too, as you are much more likely to suffer from too much nicotine from them because they deliver it to the brain in less than 10 seconds, whilst vaping takes a number of minutes to do so.

 

[beckdg]

There is only 4 ingredients in vape liquid.

Nicotine.

PG

VG

Flavoring

do you know that when reading a label on "food", if that label contains the ingredient "natural flavors", those "natural flavors" could be indicating finely ground and processed recycled tires?

have you read the discussions on particular flavor such as cinnamaldehyde and diacetyl? are you familiar with popcorn lung?

did you know that most, if not all, nicotine bases use nicotine extracted in china? not to implicate china for anything. just to say that the rest of the world simply cannot know exactly what's in each batch.

have you read the discussions on different brands and batches of nic bases? especially those referring to the taste or odor of old sweat socks and/or burning rubber, etc.

there are a bunch of guys in the DIY forum that have been refusing nic base from their favored vendors recently because some of the vendors are switching to a new source that simply tastes nasty. they've (the vendors and manufacturers) called it a new extraction process.

for the record, some of the things i've seen mentioned that are supposedly used in the extraction process definitely are not food grade materials.

are you familiar with jatropha and glycerine sources?

are you familiar with Dr. Konstantinos Faraslinos crowd funding study and what it's purpose is?

so while the main constituents are pg, vg, nic base and flavorings, we simply do not have an all inclusive list of the ingredients in those constituents and often do not even know the purity. this is important because although many times the purity of our ingredients is over 99%, that's a far cry from covering the fact that some contaminants may be very harmful either acutely or (more likely) chronic at levels measured in parts per billion. that's much lower than most lab tests would look for.

 

[Talyon]

Ty OP for sharing your experiences good or bad with ecigs, these topics only serve to unite us Vapers further making us stronger in our goal to become healthier human beings, while we try to preserve our right to vape.

Have a great day, Vape or not. I hope you are well.

 

[AegisPrime]

The only thing I'd point out to the OP is that constantly vaping is still better for you than occasionally smoking.

I'm not one to tell people how to live their lives but if vaping keeps you off the cigarettes for good then that's a win - irrespective of how (in)frequently you use it. 'Social' smoking may not be as bad for your health as a PaD habit but it's still bad for your health.

If I were in your position I'd probably try not to vape or smoke but have a few disposables on me for those times I'd find myself bumming or buying smokes.

 

[molimelight]

I've been vaping for roughly 3 weeks now and its been great up until now. Not one craving for an analog but not without side effects.

First of all I admit that I was never addicted to nicotine. I use cigarettes when I drink or when I travel internationally. When I return from a trip it usually takes me a week to wean myself of of them. Once I accomplish that I do not have a craving for them unless I drink or go on another trip.

Sorry, but I have to disagree here. First you say that you have been vaping for three weeks with no craving for an analog. Then you say you were never addicted to nicotine. Then you say it took you a week to wean yourself of analogs after a trip and don't have a craving unless you drink or go on another trip.

Sounds like an addiction to me. If you vaped for three weeks and didn't have a craving for an analog then the vaping took that craving away. If you're not addicted to nicotine why would it take a week to wean yourself off of the analogs? And if you're not addicted, then why would that craving return when on a trip or drinking? A fun habit doesn't account for all of that. And a fun habit does not account for the obvious insanity that is lighting something on fire that has thousands of toxins and known carcinogens and inhaling it repeatedly.

You say you posted your comments to help other "occasional smokers" decide whether or not it's right for them, but the only side effects you suffered were from your own mistake of using too high a level of nicotine. So, thanks for that information, but I believe that the rest of your post was just a rationalization for continuing to use analogs. Even though you're not addicted...

 

[Mousey]

Right so you weren't a smoker, you weren't addicted to nicotine, and yet you threw a nic base juice into an ecig?
If you're not already an existing smoker you shouldn't be vaping. The dizziness and vertigo you're feeling is a nicotine overdose, the effects usually wear off in a few minutes for a smoker but if you're not already addicted you could feel the effects for a long time, sometimes days.

Don't go slamming e-cigs just because you had a bad experience with them. And even moreso, definately don't slam them if they weren't going to do you any favours in the first place.

 

[Ken_A]

Ok STOP the bashing guys!

It's not healthy.

To the OP.
I would recommend that you have a small EGo setup when you go drinking. With 0 mg juice.
Yes vaping is fun, but if you are not a smoker, you should not start ingraining the habits of smokers.

There are up to FIVE ingredients in e-liquid.
Propylene Glycol
Vegetable Glycerine
Flavoring (usually PG based like any other extract you cook with)
DISTILLED water (not tap water as it has too many additives)
Nicotine.

You can vape pure PG
You can vape pure VG

If you want to vape on the cheap, then get some USP VG, distilled water, and some flavor extract. It will cost pennies for a 10 ml bottle that could last you a few months of occasional vaping vs $7 a pack for occasional smoking.

Just remember, that quite a few 2 PAD smokers started out "only smoking in bars".

 

[petecarlucci]

You are right on pointing out the addiction behind the smoke screen (pun intended) of rationalization. You will hear this same narrative from many "session smokers". Most addicts of any substance or behavior will have a narrative that separates them from the "real" addicts. This is exactly why I mistrust the national smoking cessation counts. People who only mooch cigs from others will describe themselves as non-smokers. The OP's need for tobacco is attacking the alternative so as to get back to business as usual.

Right so you weren't a smoker, you weren't addicted to nicotine, and yet you threw a nic base juice into an ecig?
If you're not already an existing smoker you shouldn't be vaping. The dizziness and vertigo you're feeling is a nicotine overdose, the effects usually wear off in a few minutes for a smoker but if you're not already addicted you could feel the effects for a long time, sometimes days.

Don't go slamming e-cigs just because you had a bad experience with them. And even moreso, definately don't slam them if they weren't going to do you any favours in the first place.

 

[molimelight]

Ok STOP the bashing guys! It's not healthy.

I don't think allowing someone their delusions is healthy either. Especially when it means they continue to smoke analogs. Even though they're "not addicted."

Just remember, that quite a few 2 PAD smokers started out "only smoking in bars".

Was that a gentle bash? Just kidding.

 

[Ken_A]

I don't think allowing someone their delusions is healthy either. Especially when it means they continue to smoke analogs. Even though they're "not addicted."

it's easier to get someone's attention if you don't antagonize first.

Was that a gentle bash? Just kidding.

Heh no. It's a way to get a point across without bashing

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Good read. Once getting nicotine in our system, an addiction starts. If I only smoked when on the road or at a bar and it took me a week to get off of it, I know that I would be in a bad place.

I like to vape. It gives me something to play with, tinker with and know that I enjoy it. But, if I didn't need nicotine of some level, I would definitely be at 0mg. Nicotine is very addictive. It would be great if I could ignore my vaporizer and I relax in the evening. I'd probably vape Chocolate Lovers Delight...

 

[classwife]

This bashing is shameful and NOT how we treat fellow members here.

It will stop now.

 

[emus]

Could focus on finding minimum nic level to keep off the stinkies. If zero not doing the trick then move up to 2 mg. Some people fool themselves to justify stinkie consumption. Most informed peeps know stinkie has more deadly ingredients and clog lungs.

 

[molimelight]

This bashing is shameful and NOT how we treat fellow members here.

It will stop now.

I would like to know if you believe that my original post was "bashing." I find it hard to believe that respectfully disagreeing with the OP's premise is bashing. If that's the case then how can there be dialogue?

 

[rurwin]

Since I said this in this thread, I will retract.

There are no reports of any reaction to VG.

It seems there may be a rare allergy to VG, with the symptoms being ........: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...treme-stomach-flu-symtoms-3.html#post12364837

 

[Robino1]

Since I said this in this thread, I will retract.

It seems there may be a rare allergy to VG, with the symptoms being ........: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...treme-stomach-flu-symtoms-3.html#post12364837

There will always be someone somewhere that has a reaction to something. We are human and not impervious to everything.
The thing is to narrow down what may be causing the issue. In this case, it is too high of nic mg.

The OP was just pointing out for the Occasional smoker, to be careful. There are occasional smokers that do get addicted but do manage to stop smoking. My son is one of those types. Drives me crazy how he can do that.

Think about the people that say they quit cold turkey and didn't have a problem doing so.

Anyway, to the OP. I hope you find a middle ground where you are satisfied, if you decide to vape.

 

[rurwin]

The OP's problem is definitely nicotine, I was merely correcting what I had said, since I've just seen the post that seems to prove it. It's tangential to the thread, but may be of use to others.

My GF is also one of those occasional smokers who can quit any time. Infuriating, especially when I hadn't given up myself and she wanted me to. My grandfather was on 2PAD and always said he could quit. The doctor told him to stop so he did. According to family legend he didn't have any difficulty doing it. Unfortunately those genes didn't get to me.

 

[chinolofus]

I think everyone needs to calm down a bit. If he doesnt want to cape any more then he doesnt have to. No reason to get up in arms about it. I wish you luck man. Stay off those cigs!

can someone please tell me why some people say "cape" instead of "vape".

 

[rurwin]

1. "C" is right next to "V" on the keyboard.
2. "cape" is a dictionary word, and "vape" is not. Spellchecking text entry systems will auto-correct wrongly.

 

[Robino1]

can someone please tell me why some people say "cape" instead of "vape".

Autocorrect does this. Totally drives mine crazy.