The best way to do that would be to more or less match your current intake, If you smoke 20 a day then roughly 18mg should be perfect. 40 a day/chain smokers/heavy brand smokers like marlboro reds or camels i usually recommend 24mg.
I Give Up On E-Cigs For Now
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The best way to do that would be to more or less match your current intake, If you smoke 20 a day then roughly 18mg should be perfect. 40 a day/chain smokers/heavy brand smokers like marlboro reds or camels i usually recommend 24mg.
One last post here and I will leave you guys alone.
I've mentioned that I only smoke when I travel or drink but how much ? I can go through a half a pack a day of usually Malboro Reds or Lights. Whatever is available. I've had a few periods in my life where I smoked the same on a regular basis (longer than 3 weeks at a time) but it didn't last for long....maybe a year at a time or even less. So on and off to be clear.
I mention this because some people clearly think I am a lightweight when it comes to nicotine. I might be compared to other people but a non smoker would think differently. Considering my past experiences with analogs I was surprised at how toxic the nicotine intake felt.
Also people keep mentioning that the other additives are found in foods and other every day items. My response to the food comments are what types of foods ? Fruits vegetables and whole grains or processed foods that lay on the shelves of supermarkets ??? I gave up on processed foods for the most part and that is anything but reassuring to know
I've mentioned that I only smoke when I travel or drink but how much ? I can go through a half a pack a day of usually Malboro Reds or Lights. Whatever is available. I've had a few periods in my life where I smoked the same on a regular basis (longer than 3 weeks at a time) but it didn't last for long....maybe a year at a time or even less. So on and off to be clear.
I mention this because some people clearly think I am a lightweight when it comes to nicotine. I might be compared to other people but a non smoker would think differently. Considering my past experiences with analogs I was surprised at how toxic the nicotine intake felt.
Also people keep mentioning that the other additives are found in foods and other every day items. My response to the food comments are what types of foods ? Fruits vegetables and whole grains or processed foods that lay on the shelves of supermarkets ??? I gave up on processed foods for the most part and that is anything but reassuring to know
I gave up on processed foods for the most part and that is anything but reassuring to know
congratulations!!!
i've done the same for my family and myself. though, it's tough to tell the kids no pizza, so we do cheat and enjoy life from time to time. it's just not an every friday ritual anymore.
since my last post focused on negative aspects, i feel i have to touch on this a little. i do completely agree with the posters that mentioned your symptoms are highly indicative of nic overdose. also, i do completely believe that vaping is tremendously safer than smoking. i would recommend that if you ever try again, keep the nic level in extreme moderation. something along the lines of 6mg/ml might be a good level for you. you'll have to try to find out. it's just so easy to chain vape and over do it since you can just have a device loaded up with nic juice and a fresh battery that'll last a whole day vs. having to light every cigarette.
You sound like a smoker who's not ready to quit CYNC. When you finally decide to quit I'd suggest a nice tobacco flavored eliquid and you should stick to 6mg. That should help with the symptoms you seem to be experiencing.
Good luck to you.
Good luck to you.
One last post here and I will leave you guys alone.
I've mentioned that I only smoke when I travel or drink but how much ? I can go through a half a pack a day of usually Malboro Reds or Lights. Whatever is available. I've had a few periods in my life where I smoked the same on a regular basis (longer than 3 weeks at a time) but it didn't last for long....maybe a year at a time or even less. So on and off to be clear.
I mention this because some people clearly think I am a lightweight when it comes to nicotine. I might be compared to other people but a non smoker would think differently. Considering my past experiences with analogs I was surprised at how toxic the nicotine intake felt.
Also people keep mentioning that the other additives are found in foods and other every day items. My response to the food comments are what types of foods ? Fruits vegetables and whole grains or processed foods that lay on the shelves of supermarkets ??? I gave up on processed foods for the most part and that is anything but reassuring to know
I've been a habitual smoker for 39 years, until this past Friday. However, I am myself a "lightweight" when it comes to nicotine, primarily because I smoked ultra-lights for the last 20 yrs of my cigarette addiction. Even though last summer I was smoking 25 cigarettes a day, when I tried 18mg nic, it made me DEATHLY ill, and I realized that my cut-back to a half-pack a day because of the cold weather (not wanting to go outside) had left me with very little actual physical dependance on nicotine. So I tried 12mg, and it too made me so nauseated I was gobbling ginger capsules and dramamine for several hours. So the key is not really how MANY you smoke, or at least, not entirely -- it has everything to do with how acclimated your body is to nicotine. Smoking my 6mg per cigarette ultra-lights for 20 years, I had already weaned myself from a much higher level, but was still every bit as "addicted" as when I smoked 2 packs a day of Lights -- going for even 1 hour without a smoke put me into a fine panic, and anything over an hour was simply not to be tolerated.
So I dropped again, to 6mg, and even chain-vaping at that level gave me no illness, no dizziness, no nausea; for someone like you who *might* sometimes smoke a half-pk a day, but not all the time, even 6mg is probably too much; I would agree with whoever said that it would make a lot more sense to try 3mg, or even 2mg, if you are not a constant, habitual smoker. Or even 0nic, if you simply don't want to maintain or sustain any level of nicotine addiction, because make no mistake, nicotine is one of the most addictive, if not THE most addictive substance known to man.
However I would also agree with everyone who said that chain-vaping is far safer than even an occasional cigarette. Period. Full-stop. And while I regret that you have been so abused by some people here, it must be observed that addiction is a very sly, insidious process. No one wants to believe that they are addicted, it seems to indicate some loss of personal autonomy, but the human brain can become addicted to *anything* that provides *any* kind of pleasure or payoff; it may not be your personal will that's compromised, it's simply the brain doing what it does -- seeking something it likes, for whatever reason.
And I am not bashing you with this observation, not at all, but simply trying to make this clear: an occasional cigarette is analogous to an occasional huff on a car's exhaust pipe, and every bit as insane. If e-cigarettes, or a PV for those who prefer that term, used occasionally, can keep you from that occasional cigarette or half-pk a day, then it would be insane to refuse that option, in preference to that occasional huff of car exhaust -- or half-pk a day of exhaust huffs.
But as others have somewhat grudgingly observed, it's your life, and your choice; if you believe that huffing car exhaust is safer than a minuscule amount of nicotine, by all means, huff away. But if you begin to recognize that you do in fact want to smoke, I would urge that you keep e-cigarettes in mind. They may not be 100% safe for everyone, but they are miles and miles safer than inhaling carcinogenic smoke from chemicals you don't even know are present, not to mention the ones you do -- like carbon monoxide, to name just one. The effects of cigarette smoking are well-known, and proven: they will kill you. When one cell begins to mutate, it's not going to say, oh wait, he's only an *occasional* smoker, no need to multiply like insane rabbits and kill him.
Andria
Maybe, maybe not...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-possible-benefits-nicotine.html#post12022611
Granted, it might be more addictive for some people than for others.
As for me, I don't find it to be very addictive at all.
BRAVO. The most sensible response yet.
THANK YOU for taking the time to share your insight.
Nicotine is not as addictive. It seems that way because it is easily obtainable. Just go to your corner gas station, grocery store, market.... You can pick up a pack anytime you feel even the slightest need.
Contrary to belief, it is not the most addictive thing known to man.
Contrary to belief, it is not the most addictive thing known to man.
I feel your frustration. When I first started vaping I had all kinds of problems. I first started vaping a PG 80%/VG 20% blend. After a few months my breathing got really labored. Ended up at an asthma specialist and eventually got the inflammation in my lungs down. After that I switched to 100% VG fluid. Absolutely no breathing problems since switching. Then it was a question of hardware. Point blank and simple, you get what you pay for. If you are only willing to pay $60 you will get a cheap vape and the issues they bring. But, if you do your research and are willing to make an initial investment, you will get an incredible vape with little to no issues. I now vape on a full mech mod setup. Kayfun Lite Clone w/ airflow control, sub ohm coil setup, Kamry K100 scoping mech mod, and a Sony VTC4 battery. Incredible amounts of vapor, a decent throat hit, and all this with 0mg liquid. Liquid from Velvet Cloud is all organic so no chemical issues either. If you really want to get the most out of vaping, it is going to require a little more effort but the payoff is worth it. Good luck and vape on.
Another tip for vaping is that you don't use it like a cigarette. Vape more like grandad smoked his pipe on the porch on a lazy Sunday afternoon. Don't puff it at the same speed as a smoke. The other thought I've had is that it may be that the nicotine is not the addictive element in cigarettes that is making the OP turn from a casual or binge smoker to now needing one outside of his/her specific parameters (drinking socially/travelling). There are many other additives in cigarettes that are specifically put in them to make you addicted, MAOI's for one. If you're too far in to becoming addicted then try once more to take that week or two to get over it, and keep a vape of some type on hand for those smoking moments. The key though is to not go back to cigarettes ever - easier said than done as many of us on forum can attest. So stay strong and commit to no more cigarettes while you have a good fighting chance of shaking them off. Good luck!
and here i thought it was some inside lingo that i was clueless to.
1: First off, since you are not a smoker, there's no need to use nicotine at all; and even as a former 30 year smoker myself, alot of the time I vape 0 nic but have a tank at home with 24mg liquid in it that I might take an occasional puff on (the point is if you wanted some nic you could just keep it in a separate tank.
But, so long as you vape only 0 nic when you vape, there won't be anything to get addicted to nor have withdrawl from, which should be perfectly suitable for you.
2: I am also curious about your setup; oddly enough you appear to have reluctance to mention some 'company' name.
The reason I am doubly curious in the setup (and it appears to be only 1 setup), is because of the 'honey plasic' comment you mentioned. I always advise against plastic tanks.
I also wonder if you are using cartomizer type disposable where the posiblity exists for burning synthetic filler material.
But, so long as you vape only 0 nic when you vape, there won't be anything to get addicted to nor have withdrawl from, which should be perfectly suitable for you.
2: I am also curious about your setup; oddly enough you appear to have reluctance to mention some 'company' name.
The reason I am doubly curious in the setup (and it appears to be only 1 setup), is because of the 'honey plasic' comment you mentioned. I always advise against plastic tanks.
I also wonder if you are using cartomizer type disposable where the posiblity exists for burning synthetic filler material.
first off...
HALLELUJAH!
figured it was only proper to oblige.
next i want to highlight a little bit the fact that vaping doesn't carry over in parallel to smoking when it comes to how many packs a day vs. nic level. i think it might provide some insight.
i was a 20 year 2 cartons a week smoker. one of the times i tried to quit was using the patch and gum. i found myself using 2 level one nicoderm cq patches (highest concentration), chewing nicorette AND smoking from the stress of trying to force myself to quit.
i probably should have ended up in the hospital according to most peoples nic tolerance.
it was this experience that led me to believe despite the good folks of this forums warnings, that i was going to be a high nic vaper. at what level, i didn't know, but i knew that cigalikes and egos weren't going to cut it for me. i'd tried some friends' setups and only wanted to chain smoke after chain vaping them.
so i literally started my journey with an RDA, a top coil clearo and a bottom coil, a 15 watt VW mod and juices ranging from 18 to 36 mg/ml in varying pg/vg blends.
for the life of me, i couldn't get rid of this massive debilitating headache unless i was sucking down 36 mg/ml and it was only worse when i was using clearos. i was told this was a sign of nic overdose. though, i have a history of getting headaches when things just aren't right. things that don't normally create headaches.
to this day i still suspect those headaches were stress headaches turned migraine. i mean, the pulsing, the room spinning, the whole bit.
now my gear is better. i'm vaping like a champ with a bottom fed dripper on a daily basis. i still vape 36 mg/ml. but i have no headaches or signs of overdose.
folks that responded to me when i was in the crisis told me they smoked as much as i did and they use 6 to 12 mg/ml. they also said i'd have to drop my strength as my vape gear progressed. this has not been the case for me. though, nobody i've converted can handle more than a toot or two from my setup.
point being; how you smoked gives no idea of how you'll vape. everybody's different.
From fog machines? Yes, it's true but it's totally harmless. That's been going on since the days of Led Zepplin. WOW, I remember those clouds. Fantastic shows
OP, I am not going to give an opinion on whether you should or shouldn't vape. That's up to you.
My perspective: I was a pack a day (at least) smoker from age 13 to almost 30, and quit cold turkey 14 years ago next month.
I started vaping for a few reasons, chief among them because I've struggled with my weight for my entire life (being 5'2", female, and hitting middle age doesn't help) and once again was at a weight I wasn't comfortable with. I was laid off last May, was unemployed for several months, but now work from home. I am someone who eats when they're bored and has a hard time distinguishing real hunger from boredom hunger so the weight started to creep back up with so much ready access to food and so much free time. I also LOVED smoking, but I will never pick up another cigarette again.
I started to vape as a replacement for snacking and loved it from the second I tried it because it had everything I liked about smoking and nothing I didn't. I started at 0mg but moved to 6mg and vape that pretty much exclusively now; it's a very mild appetite suppressant (I eat meals, but don't snack, and can tell when I'm actually hungry) and it seems to help me focus (ADHD).
I can't vape 12mg. It's too much for me and makes me dizzy and sick. I can chain-vape 6mg all day without any ill effects, but 12 makes me feel really ill.
Unlike when I was smoking, I can go for quite a while without vaping and don't have any "nic fits." I'm not sure how addictive nicotine is on its own. For me it's really the action of vaping and the taste that I crave, not the nicotine.
I tend to agree with everyone else that your nic level is too high for a non-smoker. I'd drop it down to 6 (or less) if you want to keep vaping and see how that goes.
As for risks, all of the research I've done myself shows that it's negligible at best (the Drexler study is a good one to read) but that's your call to make too.
For me, vaping has been really great, and I don't have any of the side effects from smoking (no coughing or wheezing, my lungs feel just as they did before I started - clean as a whistle).
And that's my 5 cents!
My perspective: I was a pack a day (at least) smoker from age 13 to almost 30, and quit cold turkey 14 years ago next month.
I started vaping for a few reasons, chief among them because I've struggled with my weight for my entire life (being 5'2", female, and hitting middle age doesn't help) and once again was at a weight I wasn't comfortable with. I was laid off last May, was unemployed for several months, but now work from home. I am someone who eats when they're bored and has a hard time distinguishing real hunger from boredom hunger so the weight started to creep back up with so much ready access to food and so much free time. I also LOVED smoking, but I will never pick up another cigarette again.
I started to vape as a replacement for snacking and loved it from the second I tried it because it had everything I liked about smoking and nothing I didn't. I started at 0mg but moved to 6mg and vape that pretty much exclusively now; it's a very mild appetite suppressant (I eat meals, but don't snack, and can tell when I'm actually hungry) and it seems to help me focus (ADHD).
I can't vape 12mg. It's too much for me and makes me dizzy and sick. I can chain-vape 6mg all day without any ill effects, but 12 makes me feel really ill.
Unlike when I was smoking, I can go for quite a while without vaping and don't have any "nic fits." I'm not sure how addictive nicotine is on its own. For me it's really the action of vaping and the taste that I crave, not the nicotine.
I tend to agree with everyone else that your nic level is too high for a non-smoker. I'd drop it down to 6 (or less) if you want to keep vaping and see how that goes.
As for risks, all of the research I've done myself shows that it's negligible at best (the Drexler study is a good one to read) but that's your call to make too.
For me, vaping has been really great, and I don't have any of the side effects from smoking (no coughing or wheezing, my lungs feel just as they did before I started - clean as a whistle).
And that's my 5 cents!
This is also a fair response. I think this is what I might do. After giving it some thought and feeling a lot better (although not 100%) I might go ahead and take my E-Cig with me on my up coming trip. I know that I will reach for a cig if I don't. Unfortunately that means I need to get new juices after just purchasing a few 12mg's.
I'll buy some 6mgs for later on in the trip (5 weeks) but start out with 0mg juice ?
I'll tell you what.....for the sake of good karma and an over all "healthy" spirit I will give the first person (in NYC) that contacts me via pm my 12mg E-Juice. You MUST be willing to meet me in midtown on the corner of my choosing.
Peace
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Fair Enough.
I am using a Halo Triton. It is a brilliant machine and the flavors are wonderful. I am very happy with my purchase.
If you have found a juice you really like, you can buy a bottle of the same one in 0mg and mix equal parts with the 12mg and wind up with two 6mg bottles. I've done that with a couple of mine (bought 12mg) to bring them from 0mg to 6mg. Just make sure you shake the bottles well after mixing and give them a hot water bath for an hour or so to make sure they're thoroughly blended.
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