I have a 510 and no e-juice. Care to answer some questions to get my wife off my back?

[Victor Frankenstein]

So I've order a 510 and it arrived. My e-juice is lost in the mail at the moment because I fat-fingered the postal code of where I wanted it delivered. DOH!

Almost every day my wife is asking me questions about this thing and I can't really answer. Perhaps you guys can give me some ideas on what to tell her because "Damn woman! I don't know!"** doesn't seem to be working.

I've been smoking about 10-20 cigarettes a day. I counted how many "puffs" I get from a standard cigarette smoking and it seems to run around 10 or so.

How does this relate to e-juice use? So here are my first questions.

Question 1: How many 510 cartridges can be filled with a 15ml bottle of e-juice? I can't get a handle in my brain on how much those cartridges hold.

Question 2: How many "puffs" will I get from a single, full, 510 cartridge?

Question 3: How long will a standard 510 battery last? Will a single battery last me all day without recharging?









**I say that with a smile of course

 

[jdg]

1. A bunch. 50 or more... ish? You won't vape a cart dry, so this measure isn't worth it. Tell her a hundred. That's a nice round number.
2. A few. Enough for a couple of good vapes, and probably a third that makes you think you need more juice. Tell her 50. That seems plausible.
3. Not long enough. It will not last you all day. Tell her 2 hours. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Israfil]

Cigarettes don't have a very good relation with ejuice usage.
To give you an idea of my own nicotine usage, I used to smoke a pack a day, sometimes just a little more.

Question 1...very hard to answer because most people won't be draining a cart completely before topping it off. Suffice to say I go through about 1-2 30ml bottles a month (usually just 1, but sometimes a little more if I'm really loving the flavor)

Question 2..again, Just as impossible to answer as how many puffs in a single cigarette. Everyone takes different length drags with different pressure. I find that before I top off a full cart I get about 2-4 hours worth of vaping (I take a few hits every 10-20 minutes or so)

Question 3.. I'm sure you can guess that this too is very dependent on how many hits you take a day. The longer the device is on, the more power is being used. That being said, standard batteries last me about 2-2.5 hours each.

Sorry there aren't really any definitive answers. Different people are just way too different to really set a bar.

 

[CaptJay]

My standard batts last 'not long enough' no matter how often I use em. Thats why I have a PT and why many poeple get battery mods. If I used it the EXACT SAME WAY I smoked they'd probably last most of the day but not ALL day. If you vape heavily you will suck one dry in an hour. Good news they only take about an hour or so to recharge.
15ml bottle of juice shouold last you a good while. I dont get through that in a week and I vape a lot - I also have more than bottle of juice though (in my juice kit I think I have around 30 bottles now..yeah..dont say it..) so my totals might be off

Puffs varies per cart (I dont use carts - i drip)
IF you use your new PV like you did a cig and JUST use it when you would normally smoke it will last a LOT longer. Explain to her that PV juice does NOT contain the 4 thousand chemicals that a cigarette does so its going to affect you differently. Also the rate of absorbtion of nic will be a lot slower than if you were smoking, so you may need to puff it for longer or more often.
Why does your wife need all this info is she writing a paper?

 

[Kate51]

I'd say, sit her down, and start going through these Threads together: Here's about Seven long pages to start with. Happy reading!

E-Cigarette Forum - Threads Tagged with 510

There's a ton of information here on ECF, the 510 is a very commonly used ecig, so you'll have lots of help. It's really nice if your partner can sort of see what is happing along the way with you. But you have to make you're own choice about this.
You can't answer what you don't know, this will be a learning experience for sure!
Start now to get educated. From now on, that's what you'll be doing, asking a lot of questions, and for every answer you'll think of more questions.
But don't worry too much about how many puffs you get from a fill, or if the nic is high enough to make cravings more comfortable, that's something you kind of have to work out. If you need a cigarette when you just can't stand it anymore, that's ok too...
Don't you wish you'd have been so curious about cigarettes, before you started with them??? I wish someone had told me about addiction, but then I probably wouldn't have listened anyway. It took me 44 years to figure out I couldn't smoke anymore if I wanted to live. Many times trying to just quit, that just didn't work out at all.
Using an e-cig takes planning, making sure you have replacements for DOA batteries or atomizers, and plenty of juice and fresh carts for filling, and a battery or two charging while one is in use.
Learn to always take loooong, easy puffs, a few, then put it in your pocket. (The rest of us just vape all the time!!)
I guess the thing to do is just start, the learning curve will choose it's own path, you will figure it all out. If you really want it to work for you, it can!!
You may feel a bit nervous or "missing something" for a couple months, but it's not so bad at all, you'll find it's very do-able. Just learn to relax and try to stay ahead of the Panic Button.
Best of luck to you!

 

[Victor Frankenstein]

Good answers guys. That gives me a little more to work with.

Why does your wife need all this info is she writing a paper?

She's curious on how much money I'm going to spend. I tried to explain to her the entire device is a "consumable" - parts go bad, batteries fail, etc. I also tried to explain, as I understood, I'll be saving a ton of money compared to my $88 cartons of cigarettes.

I think what set her off is I ordered 10 empty cartridges with my stuff and she instantly thought they were a use-once deal. I explained I'll be refilling them and they WILL go bad, but these should last a fair amount of time. Even still, at $3.95 for 5 it isn't much of a concern.

She's into the idea as she doesn't like me smoking, but seeing this device, the PCC, and other gizmos sitting on the counter (unused at the moment) is making her think of questions every time she sees it (I've since hidden the device away,. heh heh). I've been trying to fend them off with "I don't know yet, we'll see" but it doesn't seem to be working.

 

[wmrwl]

When I counted the last few analogs of my life I counted between 15-20 puffs. I agree with everyone else here that the correlation is a little different. I vape about 1.5ml a day (former 1 pack a day smoker). I would estimate about 10 drops or so would fit in a standard 510 cart. You won't be able to vape all those drops when your polyfill gets older so you need to switch to the fish foam mod (I don't know of the link offhand). You DEFINITELY need a second battery and a PCC (some people also use a PT). I usually swap out a battery from the PCC when it's done charging rather than when the one I'm using dies. Lithium Ion batteries charge faster when they're not fully dead. I could be out on the road for 2 days (I've never tried longer) with 2 batteries, a [fully charged] PCC, and 3ml of juice.

You don't really ever need to buy new carts...just clean or replace the filler.

 

[Victor Frankenstein]

When I counted the last few analogs of my life I counted between 15-20 puffs. I agree with everyone else here that the correlation is a little different. I vape about 1.5ml a day (former 1 pack a day smoker). I would estimate about 10 drops or so would fit in a standard 510 cart. You won't be able to vape all those drops when your polyfill gets older so you need to switch to the fish foam mod (I don't know of the link offhand). You DEFINITELY need a second battery and a PCC (some people also use a PT).

I have a second battery, 4 atomizers, a PCC, a USB passthough, and a bunch of other stuff. I'm just waiting on my juice.

I was thinking about the use and realized my "habit" and use will change. When I smoke now I smoke the entire cigarette. I know many times halfway through the cigarette I think I don't need to finish it - but I do. Mainly because the cost of cigarettes and I don't want to waste it and also because I can stand relighting half smoked cigarettes.

If I had a device I only used until I was satisfied, I'm sure I would use it less.

If anything,. I'm looking forward to being able to "smoke" in the recording studio.

 

[Elf]

Well Victor, I'm sure you will get a million other answers here, but it looks like you are the lucky recipient of one of my rare long winded posts to try to help put some of it in perspective.

When I started, I had all these same questions. They seemed to be the important ones to me.
As I gained more experience and learned more, I realized that there was a bigger picture to all this for me.
Here is an example. I may be a little off here or there, but its the general concept I am trying to convey.

For example, a typical smoker smokes X cigarettes a day, and he wants to know what usage rate he is expecting if he vaped instead.
First you need to know how much nicotine were you getting before? You may be able to find published numbers for your brand (search around), but I think most are tested to be 0.4 - 1.2 mg of nicotine absorbed in the body, per cigarette. (I think most "regular" cigarettes are probably in the 0.8-1.2 range? the lower numbers would be the "lites") Now multiply the number by how many you smoke a day to find what your daily intake of nicotine is.

To get an equivalent in vaping, start with the liquid strength you ordered. Lets say you started with 24mg/ml liquid. That means in every ml (about 20 drops) there will be a total of about 24mg of nicotine in the liquid. From what we have discovered, when you vape it, only about 40-50% of the nicotine seems to make it into the blood. If we play it safe and say 50%, that means that the 20 drops of 24mg liquid will give your body about 12mg of nicotine. Now you have a number (~12 mg nicotine absorbed from vaping those 20 drops) that you can compare to your daily nicotine intake you calculated from your cigarette brand.

Lets say I was smoking 2 packs a day of some fairly strong cigarettes, absorbing 1.0mg of nicotine with each cig. Thats 40 cigs x 1.0mg = 40mg of nicotine in a day.

So if I compare that to vaping this 24mg liquid, I can say that vaping 1ml of it (about 20 drops) will give me 12mg absorbed nicotine towards my usual intake of 40mg nicotine a day. So then Vaping 3ml of the liquid over the course of the day would bring me to about 36mg for the day.. just under what I had been smoking, or thereabouts.

I should point out that this is by no means accurate, it is a rough ballpark, but it should be sufficient for finding a starting point to all this.

Now, tying this back to your questions, my best answer to all of them is "it all depends". It was pointed out earlier that you almost never drain a cartridge before you fill it up or even top it off. Some like to keep it topped off all the time and swear by its flavor and the experience. A 510 cart seems to hold between 10 and 18 drops when bare dry, depending on the filling. My guess is though, you will top it off with no more than 4-10 drops at a time. See why the amount of liquid and the strength make a little more sense in trying to measure actual usage?

Heres another thing -
The strength of the liquid plays a big factor here. For example, if instead of the 24mg/ml liquid, you decide to use 12mg/ml liquid. Thats half the nicotine strength. If we use our safe absorption rate of 50%, thats now 6mg absorbed per 20 drops vaped. It is now a "Lite" vape by comparison, and you would have to vape twice as much of this to get the same total amount of nicotine as you would have had to with the higher 24mg/ml strength, but it does the same job.. its just the amount of liquid consumed you change.
If you vape just to get the job done (get your nicotine) and you dont care for vaping or the flavors, you'll probably want to use a higher strength liquid (36mg/ml?) and vape it infrequently. On the other hand, if you are really enjoying a certain flavor, love the taste, the feeling of vaping, and want to enjoy a lot of it, you probably want to lower the strength of liquid you are using so you arent getting headaches, upset stomach, and the variety of not-so-pleasant feelings that you get from nicotine overdose. If you ever feel those things by the way, just as you could from smoking too many cigarettes, just stop, put it down, lay off it a while, and you'll be fine.

your second question - how many puffs will you get per cart..
this is not easily answered - everyone puffs differently, uses different battery capacities, and at different states of charge. again, it all depends.

as for your third question - how long the battery will last on a charge..
my guess is you got a "standard" 510 battery. they are rated at 180 mAH and are the weakest batteries capacity-wise out there for this. They are nice however in that they keep the size down to a minimum. I saw someone suggested 2 hours. Sounds fairly reasonable. I could see someone stretching it out to 4 hours with occasional puffs, or draining it in 45 minutes going to town on it. Most people start by having 2 batteries - on on charger, one in hand. swap whenever necessary. If you find liquid flavors you really like (sometimes that takes a while) and decide that vaping is for you, my guess is you are going to want bigger, higher capacity batteries. I think you can find 280mAH 510 batteries now. Maybe ever an extra long 380mAH. If, like me, you find you want something you dont have to recharge in a day, and can puff on it long and hard without worry, you will probably end up looking at some of the nice available battery mods. The 510 basic models are made to be more like a real cigarette in size and shape. When you start to break this barrier of having to be exactly the same size/shape, the options open up to better, longer lasting batteries, durable design, and reliability.

There is no substitute for your own experience, which you will have soon enough, but hopefully some of these thoughts and guidelines will help you through that journey.

Best wishes.

 

[Sparklet]

You need to pick up a couple of Mega 510 batteries or possibly a Torando which uses 510 parts those batteries last a long time maybe go thru 1 and half of the other one during a day depending on how much you vape.

 

[wmrwl]

Don't worry so much about how much you're gonna vape. Your cartons cost $88. That's $8.80 per pack. Even if you bought the most expensive juice on the market (probably around $1 per ml) and you vaped between 1 and 2ml a day your replacement is going to cost $1-$2 per day. There are much cheaper juices too. The cost of batteries and attys won't add up to much. When you get the juice, just vape as much as you want since we all believe that vaping is safer than smoking therefore as long as you're off the analogs you're ahead of the game. Don't worry so much about the numbers.

It's definitely cool to vape in places you wouldn't normally smoke, but does water/humidity, etc. have an adverse affect on the recording equipment? I don't smoke in our datacenters at work because of this. I also try not to blow vapor near my PC.

 

[Warped3k]

Tell her to think about it like a car. Everyone's milage will vary. Two people could drive the same exact car, but their MPG can vary from person to person, for many reasons (faster acceleration, taking harder turns, braking, etc.). Tell her to think of the concept as close to the same as a PV, you may take longer/shorter drags than someone else as well as vape more often than someone else.

Just like parts fail on a car, your going to have to replace parts on the ecig.

Think of an oil change as cleaning or replacing the atty... Ok, im getting a little carried away here....

Anyways, your just going to have to try and find out what your "milage" is.

 

[quasimod]

[...] She's curious on how much money I'm going to spend. [...]

Tell her it's way cheaper than emphysema.

Seriously, it's also cheaper than cigarettes, the patch, the gum, or Nicotrol Inhalers.

Also, don't be afraid to get creative with the accounting. It's easy to make the numbers look even better if you work at it.

Tell her lies, like "This bottle will last me 2 months", when in reality you are going to buy a different brand/flavor next week, because everyone raves about how great it tastes (and it does taste awesome, believe me). That's OK, because now you can say, "These 3 bottles will last me 6 months! That's like spending $50 or $60 instead of, lets see, $90 times 6 times 4 equals $2,160!!! I just saved us over 2 Grand!"... see what I mean about creative accounting? An average of .75 packs per day is close enough to 1 pack per day, and 7 packs per week is close enough to a carton, that she probably won't notice the difference (unless she actually does the budget).

When you buy more stuff, tell her it's from the money you saved by not buying cigarettes. You have to establish early on that your old cigarette budget is now your vape budget, and as soon as you get "all set up", part of it will make it into the household budget. That's probably a lie, too. There are all kinds of goodies you're going to want in a couple of weeks.

If you're like me, you can keep this up for months before she starts giving you "The Stink Eye". Just make sure she's aware of all the money you're NOT spending.

 

[Warped3k]

Tell her it's way cheaper than emphysema.

Seriously, it's also cheaper than cigarettes, the patch, the gum, or Nicotrol Inhalers.

Also, don't be afraid to get creative with the accounting. It's easy to make the numbers look even better if you work at it.

Tell her lies, like "This bottle will last me 2 months", when in reality you are going to buy a different brand/flavor next week, because everyone raves about how great it tastes (and it does taste awesome, believe me). That's OK, because now you can say, "These 3 bottles will last me 6 months! That's like spending $50 or $60 instead of, lets see, $90 times 6 times 4 equals $2,160!!! I just saved us over 2 Grand!"... see what I mean about creative accounting? An average of .75 packs per day is close enough to 1 pack per day, and 7 packs per week is close enough to a carton, that she probably won't notice the difference (unless she actually does the budget).

When you buy more stuff, tell her it's from the money you saved by not buying cigarettes. You have to establish early on that your old cigarette budget is now your vape budget, and as soon as you get "all set up", part of it will make it into the household budget. That's probably a lie, too. There are all kinds of goodies you're going to want in a couple of weeks.

If you're like me, you can keep this up for months before she starts giving you "The Stink Eye". Just make sure she's aware of all the money you're NOT spending.

That made me lol

 

[mendnwngs]

I buy all of my batteries, attys, and carts in black.

Throws her off the trail, as my newest toy is still just a black stick with purple light, so she doesnt know how much I buy, or what I've got.

Seriously tho, good equipment can be reasonable, and functional. A regular 510 kit with an extra couple batteries, a charger (or two) and a few extra attys is all one really needs to be able to vape anywhere comfortably. (well, that, and juice)

All the mods and such available add more longevity / features / improvements over a basic kit. Some really get into buying, and trying the latest device, others find their niche early, and settle in.

I, myself vape on a bone-standard 510 kit, but just ordered a janty eGo, really, only for the longer battery life.

You will probably find (as I did) there are few equivalents between cigarette smoking, and vaping. With cigs, once you light it, you're invested to see it through til the end, but, with e-cigs, you can pull it out, take 1 puff, and put it right back away.

You will probably find yourself vaping a puff here and there all the time, rather than the cigarette staccato. (puff, puff, puff for 5 minutes, then wait an hour or two, or three)

As far as cart capacity, and cigarette equivalace, again, that depends a lot. Standard cart filler material (as comes from the factory) probably 10-25 puffs (on a 510 cart) before you need to top off, or drip a couple drops into the cart. With some of the cart "mods" you may read about on this site, you can get (I have gotten) 100+ puffs before it was dry, and needed to be refilled. It boils down to what material is in the cart, how well it wicks into the atty, and how efficiently it feeds from the full well of fluid. Surprisingly, the polyfill in there from the factory, seems to be about the worst in all 3 categories of all the cart mods, and filler types tried here in the forums.

Should you change the factory stuff? Only you can tell. The factory stuff works fine, but the mods found here at ECF tend to work better, only you can determine if you're willing to try them.

A 510 battery works for maybe 100 puffs. Sometimes more, sometimes less.

An eGo battery (based off the stated capacity) may work for 400 puffs.

As far as liquid strength, coming from a pack a day, unfiltered camels, I find i'm most comfortable with 18-25mg liquid. I think most any cigarette smoker will find satisfaction in this range. However, some find the need for 36mg+ liquids. Thats fine too, but they just give me a headache.

Sorry for rambling, I hope theres something in this post that helps you.

Bottom line is; Try it. Make as few assumptions as possible, 6mg liquid may be great for you, or 36mg liquid may be the ticket. A regular 510 batt may be fine, or you may want longer battery life..Start with what you've got, and only with that point of reference will you figure out what more you may need (if anything)

Hope this helps!

-Jason

 

[mphsjeep]

Tell her this......my wife and I are steady vapors, myslf heavier...I buy in 30 ml bottles and one of those is equal to at least 2 cartons of cigs, cost me $14 each through Revolver....so its very nice math and she can rest assured you will get your money back and then some on the first creditcard bill once vaping.....we noticed a huge savings!!!!!

So measuring in carts is not really possible since you relearn to smoke/vape.....ecigs you take longer, even draws........once you get yours, carry a liquid because you will "top off" your cart often meaning a few drops to the top of your cart to refresh it.........

I have two models, both 510s.....a Gemini from revolver and Tornado from Totally wicked. Gemini comes with a PCC to charge on the go.....standard 510 batts last 2 hours. The tornado comes with a big batt that will last all day. Its a personal preference but I use both and the parts interchange.
Bottom line for her is once you are up and running you are saving money and wont stink like smoke!!!!!

 

[Kate51]

Ok, Victor Frankenstein, I thought you were really looking for some 'vaping' help, and I fell for it.
Now, looks like all you're trying to do literally is get your wife off your back.
Gheesh, I feel like I've been had, wonder, how does your wife feel about that!
Let me give you a little hint: men who think their women just 'bug' them for no reason, usually just don't know how to answer a question in an honest complete sentence. I think you over-married, that's all. My deepest sympathy to the Mrs.

 

[BradSmith]

At $88 a carton you will be saving a ton of money as long as you don't go crazy and decide to buy every divice and every flavor around. For me when I first started I was a chain vaper big time. But now it's calmed down quit a bit. Heck, I was a roll your own guy and this is still saving me money. Not a ton but as you can see from my counter it has been some. I was only paying $20 a carton. The upfront cost is the biggest hurdle and getting the right e-cig the first time helps a lot. The 510 is great and should be no problem (well nothing that can't be overcome). I go through about 10ml a week of 24mg nic.

If your worried about the cost of liquids lurk on here for a while and wait for a really good deal from one of the suppliers and stock up with something you will like. Twice I have ordered when they had blow out sales. I paid $5 for 30ml bottles. I stocked up and bougth 6 bottles from each place. Even with shipping that is less than the cost of a carton of your smokes. That is roughly 36 weeks worth of liquid for me and I smoked a pack and a half of cigs a day, full strength.

If you spend a lot of time at the computer buy a passthrough. If not use your saving to buy a decent mod or the eGo batteries something like that. Or like many people you might end up needing both.

 

[quasimod]

I buy all of my batteries, attys, and carts in black.

Throws her off the trail [...]

Camouflage! Another excellent strategy!

 

[Victor Frankenstein]

A lot of great answers guys. Thanks.

Ok, Victor Frankenstein, I thought you were really looking for some 'vaping' help, and I fell for it.
Now, looks like all you're trying to do literally is get your wife off your back.
Gheesh, I feel like I've been had, wonder, how does your wife feel about that!
Let me give you a little hint: men who think their women just 'bug' them for no reason, usually just don't know how to answer a question in an honest complete sentence. I think you over-married, that's all. My deepest sympathy to the Mrs.

REALLY? You think? Perhaps I could have been more clearer with my subject "Care to answer some questions to get my wife off my back?"

I kid.

Really she was just wondering about the usage of the new stuff vs my cigarettes. My attitude was more like "meh,. we'll find out". I'm not sure how much more honest I could have been with her by saying "I don't know yet."



As a side note. My e-juice arrived today. Something happened in the shipment, one of the bottles top cracked open, and the entire inside of the package is filled with juice. Everything was covered in it. I opened the package at my desk at work and it is now over everything. What a mess.

The plus side is it smells nice.