I heard E-cigs worse than regular cigarettes?

[Steamix]

... I'm a nervous nelly by nature so I do go through times where I question vaping again. Most specifically, which did concern me from the beginning, is silica. I use to sell Hardi Plank siding and although a different silica compound, it is common knowledge in the building industry to never breathe in the dust when cutting the boards.

So I was searching something on ECF on wicks or something last night (don't even remember now what it was), and I see a thread some guy posted w/pics of a Petri dish and silica floating around and talking about it getting in the lungs and someone chimed in that they saw it floating in their tanks!! So my anxiety hits and I'm now wondering why these wicks are not just made w/cotton to begin with?!?!?! Why use silica at all? Silica has a bad connotation w/the public anyway and fuels the fire for ANTZ.

Guess my new project is learning to rebuild w/cotton..and this should be a nightmare because I'm not mechanical at all.

Reputable vendors of wicks will post the MSDS ( Material Safety Data Sheet ) for the wicks, just like a proper liquid-vendor does for the ingredients or the liquids themselves.

 

[Jayvaps]

I had a guy at the bar last night say something similar.

"that could be more dangerous for smoking"

I just laughed as he took another deep drag on his smoke.

The guy next to him listened though when I told him exactly what is in it and that I make it myself. He seemed interested.

So, one person became briefly enlightened. The other? Well, you can't fix everyone.

 

[wv2win]

Cards to hand out? Like these: CASAA E-cigarette Information Cards

Excellent suggestion. It always amazes me how few ECF members seem to know that CASAA exists, who they are (us) and why more ECF members are not also members of CASAA.

 

[AngiBe]

Thx for this info Steamix and I didn't know this. Does the same apply to what exactly is polyfill and what type of polyfill are in cartos? I guess I can quit being lazy at this moment and search myself...

I'm still going to vape and encourage others (Hello Dad!!! Wish he was on here and would make the switch so bad) to do so. Smoking analogs, as we all know, is asking for a horrible death sentence. Quitting gives us all a chance for repair and a healthy life. I just go through these WTH moments and get nervous.

I'm hoping and praying my lungs are not too far damaged from smoking to repair. Silica inhalation, there is no repair possible so that's why I got nervous when I saw that thread. Nothing more research or cotton can't fix. I'm sticking to vaping.

 

[Thrasher]

o I was searching something on ECF on wicks or something last night (don't even remember now what it was), and I see a thread some guy posted w/pics of a Petri dish and silica floating around and talking about it getting in the lungs and someone chimed in that they saw it floating in their tanks!! So my anxiety hits and I'm now wondering why these wicks are not just made w/cotton to begin with?!?!?!

Yea and in all these threads no one was ever able to explain to me how that little piece of fiber in the tank is able to travel through the solid wick to the coil then get lifted into the vapor stream. that thread is full of a lot of not so scientific testing IMHO, and using Osha data for work place inhalation levels for workers exposed to silica dust doesnt quit compare to vaping lol

Its great to be concerned with what we are doing but noone proved those fibers in the dish were in fact from the vapor stream being inhaled. proper clinical tests need to be performed, not some random pictures

 

[wheezal]

We are all teachers in the vaping game.

actually, i'm the guy in the back of class with the dunce cap on....who knew they still made those?!?

 

[AngiBe]

Yea and in all these threads no one was ever able to explain to me how that little piece of fiber in the tank is able to travel through the solid wick to the coil then get lifted into the vapor stream. that thread is full of a lot of not so scientific testing IMHO, and using Osha data for work place inhalation levels for workers exposed to silica dust doesnt quit compare to vaping lol

Its great to be concerned with what we are doing but noone proved those fibers in the dish were in fact from the vapor stream being inhaled. proper clinical tests need to be performed, not some random pictures

AAHHHH , you saw that too and know what I'm talking about. I stopped reading the entire thread cuz I was getting too worked up but hearing you explain it this way makes, well common sense! Thx..I need to go vape now.

And I see you giving likes on here Robino! LOLOL she's the one who was calm and sweet and explained things to me on my last OMG moment. LOL

 

[Robino1]

Yea and in all these threads no one was ever able to explain to me how that little piece of fiber in the tank is able to travel through the solid wick to the coil then get lifted into the vapor stream. that thread is full of a lot of not so scientific testing IMHO, and using Osha data for work place inhalation levels for workers exposed to silica dust doesnt quit compare to vaping lol

Its great to be concerned with what we are doing but noone proved those fibers in the dish were in fact from the vapor stream being inhaled. proper clinical tests need to be performed, not some random pictures

I'm not worried about the wick either. We do know that there are some that come on ECF just to cause trouble.
Now if there were multiple posts about an issue, that I wouldn't ignore. Or if there were multiple people having those same issues. I think we, as a community, do a very good job of policing our devices and liquids.

 

[Robino1]

AAHHHH , you saw that too and know what I'm talking about. I stopped reading the entire thread cuz I was getting too worked up but hearing you explain it this way makes, well common sense! Thx..I need to go vape now.

And I see you giving likes on here Robino! LOLOL she's the one who was calm and sweet and explained things to me on my last OMG moment. LOL

Hahaha!
Really the only time I worry is when I see multiple posts on the same problem. I've been using silica wicks since October of last year. Like Thrasher said, it would seriously be hard for a piece if wick to travel up through the coil then through the drip tip.

I do pay attention to my aging coils and wick. They take a lot of cleanings but then it becomes time to retire them.

 

[AngiBe]

True. My mind goes a little nutty when I'm stressed, lack of sleep-I'm getting ready to fly to Arizona and I hate flying so I can't sleep. Sry folks for the quick insanity.

 

[CommaHolly]

yeah, I hear you,,,,,,,I had some 80 year old guy in a scooter hacking up a lung while smoking a filterless tell me that it was worse than smoking.

really dude?

eye roll.

 

[cmdebrecht]

yeah, I hear you,,,,,,,I had some 80 year old guy in a scooter hacking up a lung while smoking a filterless tell me that it was worse than smoking.

really dude?

eye roll.

Ha! Funny that an 80 year old on a scooter is concerned about safety. Then again I guess he's 80 and still alive to smoke and cough up a lung so his perspective is a little skewed.

So was he wearing a helmet

 

[vicflo]

there are some that literally look at vaping as a hipster-ish fad. the ones that say they have "tried" it usually took a puff or two of a cigalike and never looked beyond it.

oh and due to this thread i just ordered 100 of those cards... lol. ill throw them at people that come withing 10ft of me while im vaping as to avoid social interaction.

 

[Harlen]

there are some that literally look at vaping as a hipster-ish fad. the ones that say they have "tried" it usually took a puff or two of a cigalike and never looked beyond it.

oh and due to this thread i just ordered 100 of those cards... lol. ill throw them at people that come withing 10ft of me while im vaping as to avoid social interaction.

You will need more lol
I have given 800 of cards out lol lol

 

[wheezal]

oh and due to this thread i just ordered 100 of those cards... lol. ill throw them at people that come withing 10ft of me while im vaping as to avoid social interaction.

i see the headlines now: Vapers throw deadly cards like Shuriken at Innocent bystanders!


Think of the children!!!

 

[Talyon]

I've had several people say this to me and it is irritating. But I have to also remember when I first started vaping, I too questioned it, how safe and w/out long term studies, it can pop questions in my own mind. I was nervous about inhaling flavorings and certain sweeteners (which are proven cancerous when ingested) and my biggest concern were silica wicks.

So, I did research and had a lot of help here. CASAA also had a lot of info to help me through. I'm a nervous nelly by nature so I do go through times where I question vaping again. Most specifically, which did concern me from the beginning, is silica. I use to sell Hardi Plank siding and although a different silica compound, it is common knowledge in the building industry to never breathe in the dust when cutting the boards.

So I was searching something on ECF on wicks or something last night (don't even remember now what it was), and I see a thread some guy posted w/pics of a Petri dish and silica floating around and talking about it getting in the lungs and someone chimed in that they saw it floating in their tanks!! So my anxiety hits and I'm now wondering why these wicks are not just made w/cotton to begin with?!?!?! Why use silica at all? Silica has a bad connotation w/the public anyway and fuels the fire for ANTZ.

Guess my new project is learning to rebuild w/cotton..and this should be a nightmare because I'm not mechanical at all.

I've read several times here on ECF that the silica used is a kind that (I forget the term mentioned) is not harmful, sorry I don't have links but this info is on ECF. Vape away.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/377764-dangers-silica-wicks.html

 

[skoony]

hi all good thread going here.

it got me thinking though.(this could be dangerous.)
it seems to me the antz,bp,the fda,etal are using the same strategy used
by bt and us smokers(ex-smokers now) 40 years ago.
when the studies first started coming out that smoking was more harmful than thought,
nobody believed it. the studies were poo-poo'ed,ignored,ridiculed to no end.
then as more and more studies came out,especially the long term ones,20-30 years down the road
the tide was turned.
so here we are now.smoking bans,draconian taxes,and vilification of the evil(but keep paying those taxes)smoker.
the class action law suites against bt netting billions of dollars.(none of which went to any harmed smoker.)

so here we are today.
all the studies for the most part showing how much safer vapor is compared to smoking and
we are being poo-poo'ed,ignored and ridiculed to no end.
20-30 years down the road when the long term studies prove that vaping is really a whole lot
safer than smoking there will be class action law suites against the vaping industry for not
shoving vaping down there throats sooner,(because we knew along that vaping was safer,did'nt we)
thus saving untold billions in preventable medical expenses,win a huge(probably the largest in history.)
settlement.(none of which will go back to the vapors who had paid draconian taxes in the mean time.)

is history repeating itself regards,
mike
p.s. my head hurts now.

 

[Robino1]

hi all good thread going here.

it got me thinking though.(this could be dangerous.)
it seems to me the antz,bp,the fda,etal are using the same strategy used
by bt and us smokers(ex-smokers now) 40 years ago.
when the studies first started coming out that smoking was more harmful than thought,
nobody believed it. the studies were poo-poo'ed,ignored,ridiculed to no end.
then as more and more studies came out,especially the long term ones,20-30 years down the road
the tide was turned.
so here we are now.smoking bans,draconian taxes,and vilification of the evil(but keep paying those taxes)smoker.
the class action law suites against bt netting billions of dollars.(none of which went to any harmed smoker.)

so here we are today.
all the studies for the most part showing how much safer vapor is compared to smoking and
we are being poo-poo'ed,ignored and ridiculed to no end.
20-30 years down the road when the long term studies prove that vaping is really a whole lot
safer than smoking there will be class action law suites against the vaping industry for not
shoving vaping down there throats sooner,(because we knew along that vaping was safer,did'nt we)
thus saving untold billions in preventable medical expenses,win a huge(probably the largest in history.)
settlement.(none of which will go back to the vapors who had paid draconian taxes in the mean time.)

is history repeating itself regards,
mike
p.s. my head hurts now.

There is a link in this post: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...anning-e-cigs-2-reasons-102.html#post11214426 you should really take the time to read. If you think your head hurts now.....

It details how second hand smoke really isn't as bad as the ANTZ purported to be. When a study that THEY started did not prove out their theory that it was, they pulled their funding and set out to discredit the scientists that continued to finish the study.

I'm not worried about vaping and any possible harm down the road. I was lied to before by the ANTZ and I have no doubt that they will continue to try to lie. It will be harder in this day of technology but they will continue to try.

You might want to read that whole thread. There is a boatload of information on it that will be sure to blow your mind.

 

[kristin]

When people say "I heard those are more dangerous than smoking" to me I say, "That's scientifically impossible! Think about it - all smoking-related diseases are a result of inhaling the chemicals in SMOKE. These don't create smoke. How do you remove nearly all of the bad stuff from something and still have them be worse for you? That's like claiming drinking filtered water is more likely to get you sick than drinking sewer water!"

 

[FringeChief68]

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