I just got my Lorann Flavors...questions!!!!

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Obviously you have never had a clove cigarette, because they are saturated with clove oil. Most if not all the flavor bases from the research I have seen on testing flavors for ecigs, 75% of them were oil based.
And yes I understood that "Water soluble" doesn't have anything to do with whether it will separate in your juice, just heading that off at the pass. It is just frustrating that when you mention oils everyone says it will kill your atty, and I have had people tell me it wont mix in VG/PG, which it does, along with the "check the Loranns list, if it says insoluble you can't use it"
Hey if you choose not to use oil that is up to you, but where I have posted that I use it I always say 1-3 drops per 10ml it does not take much. I have used pretty much every oil Lorann produces and they vape and taste wonderful.
Just like you I have an opinion and if you choose tobbaco flavor all day that is up to you, I like flavors. Thanks for the information though, and keeping me straight.
Dan

I'm not saying don't do it. Just pointing out concerns that I and others have. I like flavors too, just not all day is all I was saying.

And yes, I've had a clove cigarette. Yuck city. Also, there's this:

Wikipedia said:
It is considered safe in very small quantities (<1500 p.p.m.) as a food additive.[3] However, clove oil is toxic to human cells.[4] If ingested in sufficient quantity or injected, it has been shown to cause life-threatening complications, including acute respiratory distress syndrome, fulminant hepatic (liver) failure, and central nervous system depression; the lethal oral dose is 3.752 g per kg body weight.

I definitely wouldn't use clove oil in an e-cig, but mostly because I hate the taste. I mean, I've done plenty of bad crap to my body, so I can't judge here, but I figure there are enough different flavors that aren't oil based that I can get by without using them. I mean, I pretty much smoked the same flavor cigarette for 16-17 years, so a variety of 20 or more flavors to choose from is a big step up as far as I'm concerned.;)
 

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I just put 1 drop of loranns clove oil per 16 drops of camul liquid non PG liquid from nuvape.com.... It is pretty awesome. I'm not really big on cloves but I've enjoyed one every now and then. I've been hitting this cart I just made for an hour now and I'm not dead. Vape on.

I smoked a pack of cigarettes a day for 16-17 years and I'm not dead nor do I even have any health issues. Doesn't mean it's not bad for you. Again, I'm not judging, just informing.
 

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That's so funny that you should post....I just noted a thread you posted in stating that cotton candy and marshmellow were in your opinion--very sweet. lol I'm ordering now! lol

I ordered a small 6ml bottle of cotton candy from My Freedom Smokes in the 36mg w/ 33% more flavoring. It's pretty strong unless I mix it down with another like cream or mixing with some 48mg unflavored. Once I tone it down a bit, it's perfect but honestly, when I am having a giant sweet tooth, I can vape it all by itself.

Is there anywhere I can read more about mixing with the VG/PG liquids? The bottle of 48mg unflavored is a regular bottle of e-liquid, it just has no flavoring added to it.

When I add flavors to it, esp those in the 18mg, doesn't that just lower the 48mg nicotine level? Is there a need for PG, VG, or the newest I've heard about called PEG?

I don't mean to sound ignorant here but with the FDA breathing down our necks, I'm hoping all will hold out until after the first week in September so I can buy a fairly large amount of product so I can go as long as possible without having to switch over to analogs.

I am so happy with my breathing not to mention my doctor is ecstatic! I went to the doctor on August 14th after having been using the E-cig (Janty Dura-C) since July 7th. My doctor could not believe it when he did the chest exam where he places the stethoscope on my chest and then across various areas of my back and didn't hear the first crackle or wheeze or frank. (crackle, wheeze, & frank as well as thrill are various sounds made by our lungs when suffering from COPD, lung disease, living as smokers, those exposed to asbestos, and other lung-related problems; basically, those sounds are not good.) I've had these sounds in my chest for some 28 years and then suddenly upon my doctor visit they were gone. He was beside himself yet very confused. I showed him my e-cigarettes and how they worked and I also gave him some print outs on the e-cigarettes with regards to their safety as written up by Dr. Seigal and others including a few pulmonologists that dispute the FDA findings as well as the crap from that group ASH.

My doctor told me that he wished all his smoking patients would start using the e-cigarettes if my progress was any indication of what changes takes place in the lungs. I told him that everyone I knew who were using the e-cigs were experiencing the same positive results such as lack of the smoker's cough, no morning coughs where it feels as if you're coughing up a lung, and it's not staining teeth or bothering others around you because there is no tobacco smoke nor is there any of the 4000+ cancer-causing carcinogens in e-cigs as there are in tobacco cigarettes. This made him even happier.

My doctor is on board totally with regards to the e-cigarettes. He could not believe the changes in my breathing and my chest sounds. I want to do whatever is possible to hold onto the e-cigs as long as humanly possible even if it means going to the black market to buy my liquids.

Like others, I can't see why the FDA and ASH of all people would snipe about e-cigs since their biggest gripe is second-hand smoke and these devices do not have nor do they produce second-hand smoke. I guess money truly does talk and big tobacco and big pharma just has more money... That's sad and it's wrong. If there was a way to write a prescription, I am sure my doctor would go that far to keep me off the analog cigarettes considering the clearness in my lungs that he has never heard before nor has any doctor before him in the last 28-some odd years. Best of all, I'm not lighting up when I get stressed out anymore. The E-cigs help me through the stressful times. The only thing I have to do different is go to a higher mg dose to get through the stressful time and remain as calm as possible, which isn't easy for me as I am quick-tempered.
 

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I ordered a small 6ml bottle of cotton candy from My Freedom Smokes in the 36mg w/ 33% more flavoring. It's pretty strong unless I mix it down with another like cream or mixing with some 48mg unflavored. Once I tone it down a bit, it's perfect but honestly, when I am having a giant sweet tooth, I can vape it all by itself.

Is there anywhere I can read more about mixing with the VG/PG liquids? The bottle of 48mg unflavored is a regular bottle of e-liquid, it just has no flavoring added to it.

When I add flavors to it, esp those in the 18mg, doesn't that just lower the 48mg nicotine level? Is there a need for PG, VG, or the newest I've heard about called PEG?

Hey Paise congrats on the doctors visit!
Check out my thread here it explains thhe mixingology and has a excel calculator you can download to figure out your target mg% by adding PG/VG or multiple mg liquids together.
And yes adding a lower mg liquid to 48mg juice will lower the mg%.
Hope this helps you.
Dan
 

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    Hey Dan, you want to give me an idea or two for a mix? I just use like one flavor and I want to try to make something new! Here is what I have:

    TW 18mg flavorless
    11mg Apple
    11mg Peach
    11mg Rasphberry
    11mg Strawberry
    11mg RY4
    11mg Camel
    11mg Vanilla
    Wilton's VG
    LorAnn Butterscotch
    LorAnn Chocolate
    LorAnn Raspberry
    LorAnn Cherry
    LorAnn Cream
    LorAnn Cheesecake
    LorAnn Blackberry
    LorAnn Blueberry
    LorAnn Apricot

    Fix me up! :)
     

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    Hey Dan, you want to give me an idea or two for a mix? I just use like one flavor and I want to try to make something new! Here is what I have:

    TW 18mg flavorless
    11mg Apple
    11mg Peach
    11mg Rasphberry
    11mg Strawberry
    11mg RY4
    11mg Camel
    11mg Vanilla
    Wilton's VG
    LorAnn Butterscotch
    LorAnn Chocolate
    LorAnn Raspberry
    LorAnn Cherry
    LorAnn Cream
    LorAnn Cheesecake
    LorAnn Blackberry
    LorAnn Blueberry
    LorAnn Apricot

    Fix me up! :)


    Well lets see,

    I would start with:

    Cherry Cheesecake
    7ml TW juice
    2ML of VG
    15 Drops of Cherry
    10 Drops of Cheescake
    Makes approx 10ml

    Chocolate Berry
    2ml TW juice
    5ml 11mg Raspberry
    2ml VG
    2 drops chocolate
    8 drops blackberry
    Makes approx 10ml

    Peachycot Dream Cream
    2ml TW juice
    5ml 11mg Peach
    2ml VG
    15 drops apricot
    8 drops cream
    Makes approx 10ml

    Camel Chocky Rashberry 8-o
    2ml TW juice
    5ml 11mg Camel
    2ml VG
    2 drops chocolate
    15 drops raspberry
    Makes approx 10ml

    Ok these are off the top of my head here, except the cherry cheesecake (My Favorite!) Let me know how they taste :)

    Dan
     

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    Well lets see,

    I would start with:

    Cherry Cheesecake
    7ml TW juice
    2ML of VG
    15 Drops of Cherry
    10 Drops of Cheescake
    Makes approx 10ml

    Chocolate Berry
    2ml TW juice
    5ml 11mg Raspberry
    2ml VG
    2 drops chocolate
    8 drops blackberry
    Makes approx 10ml

    Peachycot Dream Cream
    2ml TW juice
    5ml 11mg Peach
    2ml VG
    15 drops apricot
    8 drops cream
    Makes approx 10ml

    Camel Chocky Rashberry 8-o
    2ml TW juice
    5ml 11mg Camel
    2ml VG
    2 drops chocolate
    15 drops raspberry
    Makes approx 10ml

    Ok these are off the top of my head here, except the cherry cheesecake (My Favorite!) Let me know how they taste :)

    Dan


    Dan, with those flavors you'd be a woman's best friend. All that's missing is chocolate covered strawberries with champagne. ;)

    I don't have nearly that many flavors but hopefully in the upcoming months I can begin to add to the collection of the few I do have. The most I have now is:

    small amt of cotton candy left from myfreedomsmokes.com @36mg w/33% more flavoring
    small amt of cherry from same place in same strength w/ 33% extra flavoring
    10ml bottle of cream that doesn't seem to taste like I thought it would
    vanilla; it's pretty good, regular strength flavor at 24mg
    peach; great w/ normal flavoring at strength at 24mg I think.

    I have some cappuccino, half of a 10ml of tobacco (not sure what kind but from Good Prophets' so it's good), and then the unflavored 48mg at 20ml.

    I've been trying to get as many extras for my e-cig as I could get while they are available & picking up e-liquids as I can get them but it's not easy but I'm trying. The e-cigs are working out so well in helping me live a cleaner lifestyle. My lupus flares (SLE) and Sjogren's disease are not acting up as often or as painful as they were before when I was smoking analogs. That's got to be a good thing.

    Thanks for the chart. I'll hang onto it when I can start mixing my flavors. I know one flavor I just have to buy because I love the taste so well and that's the RY4 in high strength. I have no idea what it is but that is one smooth tobacco flavor. I'm hooked on that one. It's nice anytime but especially during those times when it's quiet with no kids, no neighbors, no phones, no nothing bothering you or late at night when the house is quiet and it's just you w/ some great tunes, a nice glass of wine, and the RY4 in the e-cig. I look forward to those nights whenever I can manage them.

    Thanks again. I do appreciate it tremendously,

    Paise
     

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    Mmmm I can't wait to mix these :) Any advice for lowering the yield? My bottles are only 6ml big...

    LOL simple math divide by 10 and times by 6

    Soooo....
    Cherry Cheesecake
    7ml TW juice _________ 7 / 10 = .7, .7 * 6 = 4.2ml
    2ML of VG ____________2 / 10 = .2, .2 * 6 = 1.2ml
    15 Drops of Cherry ____15 / 10 = 1.5, 1.5 * 6 = 9 drops
    10 Drops of Cheescake_10 / 10 = 1, 1 * 6 = 6 drops
    Makes approx 10ml ____ Now makes approx 6ml

    Make sense?
    Dan
     

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    Hey Paise congrats on the doctors visit!
    Check out my thread here it explains thhe mixingology and has a excel calculator you can download to figure out your target mg% by adding PG/VG or multiple mg liquids together.
    And yes adding a lower mg liquid to 48mg juice will lower the mg%.
    Hope this helps you.
    Dan

    Scubabatdan,
    Thanks for the link on the spreadsheet:thumbs:. It is just what I was looking for. I have been researching making my own liquids and have been at a loss of where to start. So it look like I need to go the the baking section for flavors and VG and online for PG and unflavored juice.

    Now, is there a WIKI or a central thread for recipies? While looking at the forums, it is kind of spread out. I think the first flavor I would want to reproduce is the Creamy Cappuccino that I get from Litecig.

    Thanks
    J
     

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    Scubabatdan,
    Thanks for the link on the spreadsheet:thumbs:. It is just what I was looking for. I have been researching making my own liquids and have been at a loss of where to start. So it look like I need to go the the baking section for flavors and VG and online for PG and unflavored juice.

    Now, is there a WIKI or a central thread for recipies? While looking at the forums, it is kind of spread out. I think the first flavor I would want to reproduce is the Creamy Cappuccino that I get from Litecig.

    Thanks
    J

    I havent looked to wiki for recipies, but I am up to 25 right now, and adding more everyday. I am working on an access database of recipies and will be releasing it soon, unlocked and free to all. BTW all my recipies I am collecting will be based on unflavored nic juice PG/VG and consist of the 3 major flavor vendors, Lorann, Capella, and Bickford.
    Stay tuned.
    Dan
     

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    I just put 1 drop of loranns clove oil per 16 drops of camul liquid non PG liquid from nuvape.com.... It is pretty awesome. I'm not really big on cloves but I've enjoyed one every now and then. I've been hitting this cart I just made for an hour now and I'm not dead. Vape on.

    Our tobacco warehouse used to give away these clove cigarettes free with each carton of cigarettes you bought. I remember tossing my out in the trash after I tried one. It was horrible. I can't imagine smoking clove cigarettes but to each their own.

    I am sure there are some people that don't care for cherry cigarettes but I used to love Sweet Dreams' brand with the cherry cigarette flavor, I fell in love with cherry cigarettes; however, I have yet to find a real cherry candied flavor like that used to make the Sweet Dream Cherry Cigarette flavoring. It's probably also because the filter also had a cherry flavor too. The only problem was the cigarettes were so expensive. The packs were a few dollars more than a regular pack of Virginia Slims full flavor in the box and the cartons of Sweet Dreams were the same price as Virginia Slims in the carton only the VS cartons came with 10 packs of cigs with 20 cigs per pack and the Sweet Dream cigs came 20 cigs to the pack but only 5 packs to the carton. It was a rip off.

    Now I just have to find a way to get that particular flavor to go in my e-cigs and I will be a happy camper. :)
     

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    Our tobacco warehouse used to give away these clove cigarettes free with each carton of cigarettes you bought. I remember tossing my out in the trash after I tried one. It was horrible. I can't imagine smoking clove cigarettes but to each their own.

    I am sure there are some people that don't care for cherry cigarettes but I used to love Sweet Dreams' brand with the cherry cigarette flavor, I fell in love with cherry cigarettes; however, I have yet to find a real cherry candied flavor like that used to make the Sweet Dream Cherry Cigarette flavoring. It's probably also because the filter also had a cherry flavor too. The only problem was the cigarettes were so expensive. The packs were a few dollars more than a regular pack of Virginia Slims full flavor in the box and the cartons of Sweet Dreams were the same price as Virginia Slims in the carton only the VS cartons came with 10 packs of cigs with 20 cigs per pack and the Sweet Dream cigs came 20 cigs to the pack but only 5 packs to the carton. It was a rip off.

    Now I just have to find a way to get that particular flavor to go in my e-cigs and I will be a happy camper. :)

    My wife and I both used to love the vanilla and cherry dream ciggies, since switching to the ecig my wife has craved the dreams. Specifically the cherry flavor. I have been working on the right combonation to leave that sweet cherry flavor after you exhale. If I get it right you will be the first to know.
    Dan
     

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    LOL simple math divide by 10 and times by 6

    Soooo....
    Cherry Cheesecake
    7ml TW juice _________ 7 / 10 = .7, .7 * 6 = 4.2ml
    2ML of VG ____________2 / 10 = .2, .2 * 6 = 1.2ml
    15 Drops of Cherry ____15 / 10 = 1.5, 1.5 * 6 = 9 drops
    10 Drops of Cheescake_10 / 10 = 1, 1 * 6 = 6 drops
    Makes approx 10ml ____ Now makes approx 6ml

    Make sense?
    Dan

    Dan, thank goodness for your chart b/c math just isn't my thing. Math has always been my weakness; however, when it comes to literature, particularly classical literature, poetry, and even art in both paintings and sculptures as well as music then that's where I shine only it does me no good when it comes to mixing e-liquids. I just hope I can get a good enough grip on it to do a decent job mixing my own liquids.

    BTW, how to you measure in ml? I've noticed some of your measurements show X number of ml, how do you measure an ml? Does so many drops equal an ml? I know the 10ml, 20ml, 6ml, and even a 15ml because I've bought bottles in these sizes so I can actually use the equivalent of what those hold to equal out to any of those ml but when it comes to 1 ml or 3ml, 8ml etc... I'm lost.

    Dan, you are my math hero. ;) esp with the algebraic equations. I was never proficient with those either. Now give me a few days with a word processor, no distractions, and plenty of Mt. Dew, snacks, or even a nice glass of wine, 10-year scotch, Gibson, or a well-made martini and I can write out an excellent article or short story. Six months of time without interruptions and I can come up with a great first draft of a novel or at least a novelette... I've published many articles both online in digital and in print as well as a novel I published a few years ago. That's my area of expertise but math, it's like mixing oil with water - it just don't mix. I'm the oil and math is the water or vice versa.

    The only way I make any extra money above my disability income is working as a freelance writer. It isn't the best job in the world but I chose my hours and work I will take depending on how lupus and Sjogren's is messing up my body at any given time and add that to my computer working without acting up and I'm ready to go. My preference is novels; however, article work is more lucrative now and the pay is upfront plus there are always page view income for every page someone reads/views. My other passion is working advice columns. I tried to open my own column page online but it was too difficult to bring in traffic because of the ask.com and yahoo questions websites. I've earned major level counts on those websites for all the answers I've given but I don't earn anything answering questions or giving advice. I serve as my maternal family's matriarch so everyone in the family come to me with squabbles, advice, and questions. My only wish is that I am doing a third as good of a job as my favorite aunt did before she named me to take her place before she died. I'm always hoping b/c when it come to her and especially my maternal grandmother, those are some mighty big shoes to fill.


    Dan, thank you so much. I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who loved those Sweet Dream's cherry flavored cigarettes. They were soooo good. It's difficult to describe to anyone who never had one isn't it? It's a slice of heaven but it had to have a slice of poison on the side. Perhaps if you can perfect the flavor in the e-liquid to the e-cigs, we can have that true taste of heaven in a safe cigarette, the E-cigarette! :)
     
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    I will be looking forward to that because most recipies so far have been based on market juices not on non flavored nic juice. A DIY really need those recipies based on the non flavored nic juice. I know I do. LOL!

    I havent looked to wiki for recipies, but I am up to 25 right now, and adding more everyday. I am working on an access database of recipies and will be releasing it soon, unlocked and free to all. BTW all my recipies I am collecting will be based on unflavored nic juice PG/VG and consist of the 3 major flavor vendors, Lorann, Capella, and Bickford.
    Stay tuned.
    Dan
     

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    paise how I measure ml is I bought marked syringes from the local co-op. I have different sizes but all of the have CC lines on them. 1cc = 1ml.

    Now that I mix my own I also bought a syringe from an ebay seller that has like a little stopper on the needle end. (no needle) That way I can measure my liquids right in the syringe with out them running out. :)
     
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