I just got this email from my Health Provider---KAISER HMO-"3 reasons to say no to e-cigarettes"

[Burn3d]

"3 reasons to say no to e-cigarettes"

Two Drs at Kaiser endorsed my use of e-cig over the past 2 years. None has ever said they are dangerous

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1. Safety concerns
After analyzing e-cigarette samples, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) found that some products contain cancer-causing agents and toxic chemicals such as diethylene glycol, an ingredient used in antifreeze.
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I'm pretty sure this one has been beat to death so I don't think there is any need to comment on this


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"2. No convincing evidence they will help you quit
In fact, there is evidence suggesting the opposite: A 2014 study by researchers at the University of California, San Francisco, revealed that smokers who use e-cigarettes are a third less likely to quit than those who don’t use them."
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I've never seen them marketed as a smoking cessation method. I know from simple logic that they can be a decent method to quit though by allowing a person to quit cigarettes easily WHICH MOST OTHER CESSATION METHODS DO NOT.

I also know with discipline and the wide availability of nicotine strengths at a 1mg graduation can help one slowly reduce their nicotine intake to ZERO mg much more easily than 2mg lozenge and a 4mg. lozenge

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"3. What’s proven to work still works
Evidence shows the most effective way to quit is to use a combination of FDA-approved medications (like the nicotine patch, gum, lozenge, or bupropion) and counseling support. Choose what works for you: Kaiser Permanente’s Wellness Coaching by Phone, tap into the power of a group in a Health Education stop smoking class, or try the online, self-paced program called HealthMedia® Breathe.(TM)"
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bupropion?? REALLY? Take an SNRI, or whatever else it is? It's one of the more aggressive anti depressants, in terms of neuro transmitters it affect. I'm not knocking anyone that this medication may help BUT I think it should be used as a last resort as any psychiatric medication.

Hell, they'll probably try to get Suboxone approved for quitting cigarettes. Big pharma getting in on the action as well as big tobacco to demonize E-cigs



http://partnersinhealth.kaiserperma...easons-to-say-no-to-e-cigarettes-nat-june2015

 

[WillyZee]

I would flag it as spam

 

[Burn3d]

I would flag it as spam

I can't report my HMO as spam but that would be funny.

I was recently hospitalized and the only one who had an opinion at that time(6 months ago) was the room nurse who spoke broken English. The ER nurses, pre op nurses, Drs, ect all either approved or didn't have an opinion.

Heck, I just saw an oncologist about 3 months ago for a check up after a cancer scare and he approved(cancer in my appendix they removed but in remission and unlikely to come back).

They must have received some lobby money from big pharma because this surprised me.


Fixed the link. It didn't appear to work in the OP
http://partnersinhealth.kaiserperma...easons-to-say-no-to-e-cigarettes-nat-june2015

 

[scrabble]

I'm one of those people who doesn't believe that vaping is entirely safe. I agree that it's safer than tobacco but I definitely don't think it should be recommended as healthy or safe. To me, the biggest enemy on the planet is "big pharma". Too many of their concoctions are more deadly that even tobacco. I loathe them.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I would show it to my doctor and tell them that based on this email I will just keep on smoking.

 

[SupplyDaddy]

Sounds like Kaiser has been drinking the kool-aid (and taking the money..)!

 

[Burn3d]

I'm one of those people who doesn't believe that vaping is entirely safe. I agree that it's safer than tobacco but I definitely don't think it should be recommended as healthy or safe. To me, the biggest enemy on the planet is "big pharma". Too many of their concoctions are more deadly that even tobacco. I loathe them.

So am I. I worry more about when I started and was using blue foam in a cart. The original Joyetech 510 kit. I worried about gases from the metal components, the foam, and if there was lead solder or anything in those attys.

I always felt pretty comfortable with the liquid though. I feel pretty comfortable now that vendors and moving towards organic cotton. There are affordable glass and stainless steel tanks(eleaf) . I think it's much less harmful today than it was a few years ago.

I wish they would have more research in to common Chinese branded e-cigs.

Kaiser only mentions the potential harm with the liquid it seems and that is enough for them to recommend using a psychiatric drug. They need psychiatric drugs for offering that as a cessation method

 

[scrabble]

So am I. I worry more about when I started and was using blue foam in a cart. The original Joyetech 510 kit. I worried about gases from the metal components, the foam, and if there was lead solder or anything in those attys.

I always felt pretty comfortable with the liquid though. I feel pretty comfortable now that vendors and moving towards organic cotton. There are affordable glass and stainless steel tanks(eleaf) . I think it's much less harmful today than it was a few years ago.

I wish they would have more research in to common Chinese branded e-cigs.

Kaiser only mentions the potential harm with the liquid it seems and that is enough for them to recommend using a psychiatric drug. They need psychiatric drugs for offering that as a cessation method

I think there's opportunity for vaping to be perfected. With every flaw discovered it can only lead to improvement.

It's ironic that the creator of e-cigs used the patch and had adverse reaction which is what led him to create the e-cig. I wonder if Kaiser is aware of that.

 

[classwife]

There is already a thread going on this so I am going to close this one

Here is the link :
I HATE this - email from Kaiser Permanente received today | E-Cigarette Forum