I love nicoticket bottles.

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PersimmonNJ

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The only issue is, the glass bottles are just a wee bit tough to squeeze. :unsure:

Was just about to point that out LOL

I lose most of my juice that comes in glass bottles. I am clutzy due to nerve damage and nice thing about the plastic? 1. they don't break when I accidentally knock them off desk/shelf and 2. they don't spill if I knock them over when filling from them.
 

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Warning: Thread jacking in progress...

My comment is not so much about the bottle, but about how it relates to the cost. A local B&M around here charges $15 for a 15ml bottle of one of the premium lines they carry. It's also a glass bottle with a dripper - part of the allure that's supposed to justify the cost I suppose. $1 per ml is where I imagine NT juice will be priced too. I would pay this and more, but it probably means NT won't be my one stop shop. Another local place that makes their own juice charges $20 for a 30ml, so will probably end up having to balance between these options to keep my costs at a level I can live with. That's kind of a bummer, but I am at least lucky to have a place that makes really good juice close by.

I hate to think about state taxes over and above normal sales tax being imposed in addition to this. For my neck of the woods a pack of cigs costs about $6 for premium brands. Let's say the average vaper uses about 5ml per day - this is about where I am at. So even without additional state taxes being piled on, $15 per bottle lasting three days is close to the cost of smoking for the same three days if you're a 1 PAD smoker. I tend to think this is a threshold that's going to be difficult for juice to cross. Once vaping becomes more expensive than cigs I think slower adoption rates would naturally slow further price increases.

While am I railing on about all this? Aside from the obvious that I don't want to pay more for things I am concerned about the costs of vaping getting out of control and mitigating all the good it's doing to get people off smoking. With smoking you don't have to buy accessories (you just pay for the medical bills on the way out). Batteries, mods, etc are costly even if done on the cheap with clones. With lower juice prices we can at least hope to break even with our old smoking habits, and afford vapresents like a new mod, a new atty, and so forth.

Anyway - I have ranted enough here. I understand this is normal growth. I get that businesses must grow and that this growth plan is also coupled with a strategy to preserve the business in the face of pending regs. I also know that Clark won't put his name on anything that reduces the quality the family is used to and the brand he's worked hard to build. I get all this, but I am still left feeling worried about the whole industry. Costs are piling on in all directions and in a best case scenario I think we will be afforded the opportunity to break even. Worse case scenario is it costs a bit more to vape enjoyably with good brands, and worst case the regs are so hard and the costs so high that a lot of people lose out on the best way to get cigs out of your life.

</RANT> Thanks for "listening". And thanks to Newport for throwing out some of his own concerns and opening the door for me to do the same. And sorry for hijacking the thread. It was sort of about the bottles. ;)

I've already aluded to the fact that prices are going to be going up, but the MSRPs aren't anywhere close to $1/ml.

15ml, retail MSRP, worst case scenario, $11.99
30ml, retail MSRP, worst case scenario, $23.99

That works out to just under 80c/ml (about 20% less that the super-premium brands, and on par with what similar brands are charging)

There's some wiggle room there, also (for us, and for retailers)... so keep in mind, that's absolute worst-case scenario... I absolutely refuse to pay more than 80c/ml for liquid - I'd never charge more, either.
 

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I see the new bottles w/automation as an opportunity to stabilize costs after the initial equipment and change over outlay. It will allow for growth without straining resources as much. Growth will bring greater buying power. Think in terms of larger quantity purchases of ingredients and packaging materials to aid in holding the line on production costs.

Exactly - and with continued success, and growth in buying power, the ability to be more aggressive on sales, etc. There's one thing you can be sure of - I will do everything in my power to deliver a top-quality vape at the most reasonable price possible. I do *not* want to gouge people - Nicoticket was, is, and always will be a "working-man's vape" (working-women's vape, too XOXO). I do share some of your concerns about pending taxation - but as most of you already know, that's totally out of my control...
 

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I've already aluded to the fact that prices are going to be going up, but the MSRPs aren't anywhere close to $1/ml.

15ml, retail MSRP, worst case scenario, $11.99
30ml, retail MSRP, worst case scenario, $23.99

That works out to just under 80c/ml (about 20% less that the super-premium brands, and on par with what similar brands are charging)

There's some wiggle room there, also (for us, and for retailers)... so keep in mind, that's absolute worst-case scenario... I absolutely refuse to pay more than 80c/ml for liquid - I'd never charge more, either.

Side note - like lots of competitors, we anticipate a standing 10% discount on MSRP (for the website only)- so, do the math... it's not far off what you presently pay for the liquid despite significant upgrades in packaging, product quality, the clean room, etc. From a margin perspective we're taking a huge hit making the transition (delegating the work of mixing the liquid isn't free), but we really feel like it is in the best interest of all parties involved. It sufficiently balances the interests of everyone... I've crunched the numbers hard to ensure that the liquid remains reasonable priced.
 

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I've already aluded to the fact that prices are going to be going up, but the MSRPs aren't anywhere close to $1/ml.

15ml, retail MSRP, worst case scenario, $11.99
30ml, retail MSRP, worst case scenario, $23.99

That works out to just under 80c/ml (about 20% less that the super-premium brands, and on par with what similar brands are charging)


There's some wiggle room there, also (for us, and for retailers)... so keep in mind, that's absolute worst-case scenario... I absolutely refuse to pay more than 80c/ml for liquid - I'd never charge more, either.

Completely reasonable for the excellent liquids we receive. There are many others out there that cost more more and satisfy less.
 

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Completely reasonable for the excellent liquids we receive. There are many others out there that cost more more and satisfy less.
AGREED X 100!
I fully intend to vape just about every drop of Nicoticket I have purchased. Most of what I bought from other companies is in the "Vapocolypse" box. It could have been FREE and it was still a waste of money having it shipped to me!
In addition, the glass bottle alone is normally a dollar or two increase from other companies.
 
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I've already aluded to the fact that prices are going to be going up, but the MSRPs aren't anywhere close to $1/ml.

15ml, retail MSRP, worst case scenario, $11.99
30ml, retail MSRP, worst case scenario, $23.99

That works out to just under 80c/ml (about 20% less that the super-premium brands, and on par with what similar brands are charging)

There's some wiggle room there, also (for us, and for retailers)... so keep in mind, that's absolute worst-case scenario... I absolutely refuse to pay more than 80c/ml for liquid - I'd never charge more, either.

You are my vaping hero Clark. Just the fact that you are willing to share this information quickly and transparently on the forum is a complete 180 on everything we've come to expect from companies. And just so that we're clear there are no similar brands as far as I'm concerned. ;)
 

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Do me a favor Newportlocal, make sure there is a B&M around your area that will have Nicoticket on hand, We plan to move to California (Temecula/Pala) within an undisclosed period of time (hello wife's ex-husband who likes to stalk me) LOL.

Or give me a heads up for ones that might be worthy of having Nicoticket on their shelves.

Maurice
 

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Do me a favor Newportlocal, make sure there is a B&M around your area that will have Nicoticket on hand, We plan to move to California (Temecula/Pala) within an undisclosed period of time (hello wife's ex-husband who likes to stalk me) LOL.

Or give me a heads up for ones that might be worthy of having Nicoticket on their shelves.

Maurice

There are a ton of good vape shops locally. However, Temecula is a fairly good drive from here. Would be happy to mail stuff to you if needed. Temecula is a nice area. The wine country of Southern California and not too far from San Diego. I used to do home health nursing for a few severely disabled children in that area.
 

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I have a home there on a nice bit of land, just got a little stuck in Kentucky for the last ... decade :facepalm:

I'll be driving in your general direction on a regular basis for work and figured there would be more shops up that way. The last time I was in Temecula I was not impressed with the vape shops greatly.

Granted I needed mesh and that's not the in thing anymore, but what I got was a cut up mess of (I don't know what mesh count this is but it'll be $6.00).

The other I visited just made me feel like a teen trying to score some elicit substance in a dark hideaway office.

My wife is in nursing, she is waiting on her California nursing license to go through, which I hear is a not so quick turnaround.

Maurice
 

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I have a home there on a nice bit of land, just got a little stuck in Kentucky for the last ... decade :facepalm:

I'll be driving in your general direction on a regular basis for work and figured there would be more shops up that way. The last time I was in Temecula I was not impressed with the vape shops greatly.

Granted I needed mesh and that's not the in thing anymore, but what I got was a cut up mess of (I don't know what mesh count this is but it'll be $6.00).

The other I visited just made me feel like a teen trying to score some elicit substance in a dark hideaway office.

My wife is in nursing, she is waiting on her California nursing license to go through, which I hear is a not so quick turnaround.

Maurice

This is one of the tougher states for the license. I am sure it will work out for her though. When you are back around I can give you some shop names for the area. We have some good ones if Nicoticket needs B&Ms it will work out fine. I am good friends with some of the owners. Funny as this sounds I played live music for the one shop in Newport and was giving ukulele lessons to the owner of one in Costa Mesa. Another hobby of mine. I have a custom Compass Rose tenor ukulele made by the same guy that did guitars for Fleetwood Mac and the Grateful Dead. He did the wall of sound that the Grateful Dead used too. A guy named Rick Turner up in Santa Cruz.
 

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On the bright side. This thread had given me the most likes in the shortest period of time, and thanks for all the nice PMs. It is nice to know others love the current Nicoticket bottle too. Thanks for all the thread support and interest in this topic.:)

That's the thing, I totally agree with you on so many levels - there's just pros to go along with cons that you probably can't see from the other side.

I love people like yourself whom ask challenging questions - it forces thought and progress - businesses don't grow and be successful without asking and answering questions that are often difficult.
 
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