I may be vaping outside this winter

[EBates]

I just want to stop being persecuted for liking nicotine. When I smoked 2 packs a day I expected it but dagonit it's not fair to be chastised for chosing a safer alternative.

It has nothing to do with fairness, healthier alternative. It is all about MONEY, POWER, CONTROL, BIG GOV, BIG tobacco, BIG PHARM.
OBTW, when I was smoking, I installed a Bathroom vent fan in a walk-in closet for use on cold/rainy days. The closet became a mini man cave.

 

[Ryedan]

The dangerous chemicals are a reality if you vape at insanely high temps. If you do the research you find that diacetyl and other bad things that could be produced generally occur at temps we don't reach unless we vape on a dry wick. Yuck!

Keep it reasonable at a level that recreates that of a standard cigarette, keep your wick from going dry, and the bad chemicals aren't produced. It's why I try to stay at 3.7v and 1.8 ohms. That gives me a cigarette like experience with good flavor. It's the push to high watts that is more likely to produce the bad stuff if the wick isn't able to keep up. Anything with a dry wick will heat up and begin to produce new chemicals. Don't let that happen.

It's just my belief, but I don't really think the bad chemicals are produced within reasonable vaping ranges. Coming down hard on ecigs because they can be abused or used improperly is like outlawing automobiles because people can create unsafe conditions by driving recklessly and exceeding speed limits.

This study has graphs showing the output of ecigs and comparisons to EPA guidelines for daily exposure. If you get bored with reading the whole report, at least look at the test results and the charts that compares vaping exhale to EPA standards for clean air. We beat them all by a significant margin. That starts on page 15 and continues on a few pages.
http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/files/publichealth/ms08.pdf

AFAIK diacetyl is either there or not, heat has no bearing on this.

I didn't read the whole document, just the conclusions. I will read the rest when I have more time. I agree that vaping a dry wick is dangerous, but I do not agree that more power is any more likely to cause a dry wick than less power. It may actually be the other way around because the hardware is different. I do know that since I've been vaping rebuildables at 20 - 30 watts I have very rarely had dry hits. When I was vaping clearos at 7 - 8 watts it happened a lot more often.

Now that could just be me, my gear, that I have more experience now or a combination of these factors. I do believe the Reo bottom feeder is also a very safe system in that it makes wetting the wick (squonking) so easy and quick that I do it before every other drag. OTOH, I also don't get dry hits from my non-bf drippers, thought the vape from them does fluctuate a bit between thoroughly saturated and not quite that saturated.

High power does also not make for high coil surface temperatures. The heat is spread out over more surface area in high power builds and as long as the coils are kept wet they will not degrade juice, just like with lower power builds. I also take around two to three second drags from my higher power gear compared to much longer with the lower power stuff.

IMO everyone needs to be aware of the fact that overheating juice will create unhealthy chemicals and that as soon as we taste burnt vape we need to stop and fix it.

 

[Roscoe01]

It's funny you mention the reo. My first one is on its way. I agree with you on the entry level equipment. I found as a hvy smoker that clearos wouldn't vaporize juice as fast as I wanted it and I would suck harder until a dry hit.

 

[catlady60]

It has nothing to do with fairness, healthier alternative. It is all about MONEY, POWER, CONTROL, BIG GOV, BIG TOBACCO, BIG PHARM.
OBTW, when I was smoking, I installed a Bathroom vent fan in a walk-in closet for use on cold/rainy days. The closet became a mini man cave.

I, or better yet, my roomie, installed an bathroom exhaust fan in my bedroom so I can vape inside without my running the risk of provoking roomie's allergies. He's allergic to something in secondhand vapor, probably VG, since he can't put on hand sanitizer without breaking out.
I also bought PG unflavored juice to mix in with my 50/50 stuff in order to make some 80%PG/20%VG juices. The less vapor, the more likely the fan will be able to remove the excess vapor from my room.

 

[Ryedan]

It's funny you mention the reo. My first one is on its way. I agree with you on the entry level equipment. I found as a hvy smoker that clearos wouldn't vaporize juice as fast as I wanted it and I would suck harder until a dry hit.

Best of luck with the Reo Roscoe . It's what I vape 99% of the time since I got mine. One of these days I'm going to have to get a second one.

 

[Rossum]

My wife's best friend sent the following article to her today and now I gotta vape outside. That's gonna suck cause I live in North Dakota.

If my wife asked me to go outside to vape, I would abide by her wishes. However, I wouldn't stop on the porch; I'd keep right on going until I reached a nice comfortable place where I could vape, however far that might be, and I wouldn't come back until she had a change of heart.

 

[Katya]

AFAIK diacetyl is either there or not, heat has no bearing on this.

Correct. Diacetyl is present, naturally, in certain flavorings. mostly custards, caramels, dairy, butter etc... It is being added to PG/VG?nicotine base as a flavoring and constitutes, per good doctor Farsalinos (who conducted an extensive study on Diacetyl), un unnecessary and completely avoidable risk.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-dr-farsalinos-new-study-12.html#post13709831

 

[amoret]

Thing is there is usually at least a bit of a breeze and then it doesn't matter how big your cloud is, you can't tell anyway

And in North Dakota a "bit of a breeze" is what folks most places would call a high wind.

But seriously, no, you should not have to go outside to vape. If all else fails, isn't there one room in the house you could vape in?

 

[Racehorse]

Roscoe, the inhalation of certain chems by vaper is still somewhat in question, but the risk to bystanders, i.e. 2nd hand vapor, has been proven to be non existent.

The smell of certain flavorings may bother some people, but there really is little risk to bystanders from vapor and this has been studied pretty well so far

 

[beckdg]

I need some ammo.

You say ammo. As in returning the assault? Tell her "consider the source. Your friend's an idiot that'll believe anything the media spoon feeds her."

Then kick your feet up on the coffee table and have a vape. "Bring daddy a sammich, wouldya? "