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Since you are new to mech mods and/or rebuildables I highly recommend you spend some time with @Baditude (one of our resident battery/safety experts) and visit his blogs. You are now 100% in control of your own safety (and others around you). Make sure you purchase an ohm reader and a voltmeter or DMM so you can measure your builds, check for shorts and measure the remaining charge on your batteries.
The battery you buy determines how low you can safely build. You are going to want a safe-chemistry, high-drain battery with a high CDR. Everyone is free to set their own parameters (with regards to headroom), and I can only say what mine are.
I try to never exceed 50% of the CDR of a battery. So with a 30A battery, that would be 15A.
This Ohm's Law Calculator tells me that a 0.28Ω build is as low as I would want to use on a single battery mech mod.
The reason that I place a 50% limit is because as a battery ages the mAh of the battery degrades, as the mAh degrades ... so does the batteries c rating (amp limit). So down the road, my 30A battery may only be a 15A battery.
Baditude's Blog - Table of Contents: The blogs that address battery safety, Ohm's Law, CDR (continuous discharge rating/Amps) and how they all work together are detailed below.
BATTERIES
Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected ICR?
* Another essential read to understand which batteries are safe to use in mechanical and regulated mods. Includes a frequently updated list of recommended safe-chemistry, high-drain batteries with their specifications.
Purple Efest Batteries not as Advertised
* A cautionary blog that reveals that the purple Efest batteries may not have the specifications advertised. Also includes a commentary on "continuous discharge ratings" vs "pulse discharge ratings" of battery specs.
OHM'S LAW
Ohm's Law for Dummies (Vapers)
* My attempt at explaining Ohm's Law in layman terms and how it relates to vaping.
Explain it to the Dumb Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations
* As simple as it is to use, some people have a tough time grasping the concept. Warning: Includes graphic photos of mod explosions.
BATTERIES - WHERE TO BUY
Only buy batteries from a reputable supplier (not ebay or Amazon) as there are many counterfeit batteries being sold. Here are several reputable battery suppliers in the US.
* RTD Vapor
* Illumination Supply
* Lighthound
* Orbtronics
* Battery Junction**
Note: **Ships to Canada
The battery you buy determines how low you can safely build. You are going to want a safe-chemistry, high-drain battery with a high CDR. Everyone is free to set their own parameters (with regards to headroom), and I can only say what mine are.
I try to never exceed 50% of the CDR of a battery. So with a 30A battery, that would be 15A.
This Ohm's Law Calculator tells me that a 0.28Ω build is as low as I would want to use on a single battery mech mod.
The reason that I place a 50% limit is because as a battery ages the mAh of the battery degrades, as the mAh degrades ... so does the batteries c rating (amp limit). So down the road, my 30A battery may only be a 15A battery.
Baditude's Blog - Table of Contents: The blogs that address battery safety, Ohm's Law, CDR (continuous discharge rating/Amps) and how they all work together are detailed below.
BATTERIES
Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected ICR?
* Another essential read to understand which batteries are safe to use in mechanical and regulated mods. Includes a frequently updated list of recommended safe-chemistry, high-drain batteries with their specifications.
Purple Efest Batteries not as Advertised
* A cautionary blog that reveals that the purple Efest batteries may not have the specifications advertised. Also includes a commentary on "continuous discharge ratings" vs "pulse discharge ratings" of battery specs.
OHM'S LAW
Ohm's Law for Dummies (Vapers)
* My attempt at explaining Ohm's Law in layman terms and how it relates to vaping.
Explain it to the Dumb Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations
* As simple as it is to use, some people have a tough time grasping the concept. Warning: Includes graphic photos of mod explosions.
BATTERIES - WHERE TO BUY
Only buy batteries from a reputable supplier (not ebay or Amazon) as there are many counterfeit batteries being sold. Here are several reputable battery suppliers in the US.
* RTD Vapor
* Illumination Supply
* Lighthound
* Orbtronics
* Battery Junction**
Note: **Ships to Canada
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A passthrough with a Naos Raptor 60 driven by a 350-400W PSU (or a car battery) should be able to drive that build safely, and with some extra power to go.
Understood. Everyone told you to do more research. My take is that your original post was the first step in the research process.
The thing is, and this is why people tend to get snippy, you should know these things before you wind your first coil. Even if it's a 1.5ohm coil. You should have at least enough knowledge to know that when you're done, you're going to have a 1.5ohm coil. It should never ever be a guessing game.
The coils aren't even the issue, really. It's when batteries come into the scene. Batteries, when used safely, are just that... safe. But, they can and will do a lot of damage when they're subject to the wrong situation. This tends to, for the lack of a better word, piss people off. Someone "winging it" can make for a very bad day for them and anyone in proximity.
There are so many resources out there for the taking... this forum, YouTube, mobile apps, etc. Susan has a pretty good list up there.
Just take some time and learn, once you do that it doesn't go away. You'll be safe, and you'll be able to help future vapers.
The coils aren't even the issue, really. It's when batteries come into the scene. Batteries, when used safely, are just that... safe. But, they can and will do a lot of damage when they're subject to the wrong situation. This tends to, for the lack of a better word, piss people off. Someone "winging it" can make for a very bad day for them and anyone in proximity.
There are so many resources out there for the taking... this forum, YouTube, mobile apps, etc. Susan has a pretty good list up there.
Just take some time and learn, once you do that it doesn't go away. You'll be safe, and you'll be able to help future vapers.
BTW, I noticed in your picture that some of the coils seemed really close to the outside edge of the atty. It might have been the camera angle, but it seemed like there was more room to position the coils away from the edge. That way, they won't touch the cap when you put it on and short out.
Glad you had concerns and asked about it.
Hope it helps and Happy Vaping!
Glad you had concerns and asked about it.
Hope it helps and Happy Vaping!
OP; you started off with a title to your thread that was just asking for trouble......and you knew that. You've received much sound information here son,heed it and you will learn something, disregard it and you will fail......its your call........the best to you
Well at least the OP asked. (and that's a good sign) I worry more about those that don't ask.
NO, it's not a safe build IMO.
My personal limits with a mechanical mod is to never exceed 50% of a batteries CDR, which would be 15a with the best 18650 battery made. That calculates out to ~0.3 ohms using a 30a CDR battery.
The reason that I use the 50% rule is because as a battery ages the mAh of the battery degrades. As the mAh degrades .... so does the CDR. So it will no longer be a 30a battery.
NO, it's not a safe build IMO.
My personal limits with a mechanical mod is to never exceed 50% of a batteries CDR, which would be 15a with the best 18650 battery made. That calculates out to ~0.3 ohms using a 30a CDR battery.
The reason that I use the 50% rule is because as a battery ages the mAh of the battery degrades. As the mAh degrades .... so does the CDR. So it will no longer be a 30a battery.
One thing I have learned through life. If you cannot take abuse on an online forum, you need to disconnect from the internet until you can.
But on topic... I like to think that I am an experienced builder, building coils for almost 2 years. The last coil I built measured on my reader at .13 and that gave me an uneasy feeling. I took 1 hit and didn't feel like it was something I wanted to keep using.
But on topic... I like to think that I am an experienced builder, building coils for almost 2 years. The last coil I built measured on my reader at .13 and that gave me an uneasy feeling. I took 1 hit and didn't feel like it was something I wanted to keep using.
I worked my way down personally. Start by perfecting a single coil build. Then move to duals. And only after perfecting trick could like twisted and Clapton or zipper. On single
And THEN duals. Do you get into quads or more. Practice makes perfect b. And just to be clear. I can chuck a serious cloud from a single
Or dual Clapton faster than 6-8 coil With less problems.
Practice practice practice my friend.
And THEN duals. Do you get into quads or more. Practice makes perfect b. And just to be clear. I can chuck a serious cloud from a single
Or dual Clapton faster than 6-8 coil With less problems.
Practice practice practice my friend.
What if I told you I could match your.1 vapor production with a 2.0 ohm coil? Seriously in this day and age of vaping I don't see the need in super sub ohm vaping. But you know that's just my opinion man lol
i am aware that that is an extremely low resistance wolfe. as i said i did not build that low on purpose i was building for esthetics i wanted a cool looking coil, i know it takes knowledge to run safely which is why searched out this forum because i'm not in toronto anymore my local vape shop knows nothing about safely running a super low build
lol i think they almost .... when they saw me come in with this 2 days after buying the new rda i could have just gone out and picked up a 30$ mech unreg. but i wanted to do research and ask people who did know what they were talking about i usually build around .2 .3 without trying.
lol at this point i have a separate rda for flavour and actualy vaping purposes lol this one was to tinker with and build for fun and show lol mainly for intagram as sad as that is lol
but yes untill i get a dual inline modbox i'm not building anything like that again unless i get thinner kanthal
thank you again everyone situation is resolved and wolfe thank you for the calculator i didnt know those existed
lol i think they almost .... when they saw me come in with this 2 days after buying the new rda i could have just gone out and picked up a 30$ mech unreg. but i wanted to do research and ask people who did know what they were talking about i usually build around .2 .3 without trying.
lol at this point i have a separate rda for flavour and actualy vaping purposes lol this one was to tinker with and build for fun and show lol mainly for intagram as sad as that is lol
but yes untill i get a dual inline modbox i'm not building anything like that again unless i get thinner kanthal
thank you again everyone situation is resolved and wolfe thank you for the calculator i didnt know those existed
you know i dont doubt it like i said i was just ....ing around with the new rda and that monstrosity was born lol i was building it for show not production i have a simple 4 post smok caterpillar II that chucks more vape than half that biohazard does at .2 and it runs .8 so i do know it can be done
lol sue me i was bored and it was so pretty i didnt want to waste it lol besides it woulda been a helluva gloshot
When I said that I was really messing around. I generally build within 1.0 to 1.5 . I just personally like how it performs. I can get the volts up and get great flavor in a dense cloud. Don't take anything personal. People worry for your safety and because every time someone gets hurt vaping that's just more ammunition for legislators who are anti vaping. Vape on but Vape safe
Throw in any battery and vape away. Makes me laugh when I read about them blowing up on people. That's how we learn where not to go and keeps the rest of us safe. LOL CHEERS!
hoooooooooooooooolllllaaaayyyyyyyyyyy sheeeeet!
i just saw a video of the after math of a thermal runaway on the battery my vs guy told me to use .... losing my face i wouldnt have a head left! i do understand why people freaked i only got defensive about people talking like i'm an idiot who needs to do research when that was exactly why i was here lmao
i just saw a video of the after math of a thermal runaway on the battery my vs guy told me to use .... losing my face i wouldnt have a head left! i do understand why people freaked i only got defensive about people talking like i'm an idiot who needs to do research when that was exactly why i was here lmao
Trust me when I say this Xander, the people here on the ECF are only concerned for your safety. As you've discovered, it can be very dangerous if you go into the sub ohm realm without a bit of learning. I'll be honest and tell you up front, I'm terrified of all things sub ohm. I don't ever plan on building a coil under 1.0 and my reasoning is simple. It's just not necessary to accomplish what I need to accomplish and that is staying away from smoking. Don't get me wrong. Just because I think it's wrong for me doesn't mean that I think no one should be doing it. I just know that 1. I suck at math, and 2. I'm accident prone. I consider myself an accident waiting to happen. So, in conclusion....you'd do well to do your research and know that people here don't want to see you get hurt.
Get your dual, parallel mech. Get those coils further in so they aren't shorting on the top cap. I would try some thinner (higher gauge) wire, too. Then if you really want to vape it, you're an adult. Do a second test on your meter with your top cap on to be certain you don't have a short first.
Yeah, a battery in thermal runaway isn't a joke. It can maim or kill you.
Yeah, a battery in thermal runaway isn't a joke. It can maim or kill you.
I think you already knew the build wasn't safe, so good for you for coming here to confirm that. I've been building coils for a couple of years now and I'm still nervous when I approach .5 ohms, so I tend to hover around 1 ohm most of the time. I think your wicking and air flow matter as much as the resistance when you're looking for clouds.
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