I resent ECF's campaign regarding the New Mexico State Rep. Liz Thompson

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SmokeyJoe,

Yes. I do agree totally. And I come from the state that has Ed Markey as one of its two senators. Aggressively pushing anti-ecig legislation, and harassing the FDA for being so slow to restrict e-cigarette use.
Markey Vows Action Following Logan E-Cigarette Fire Findings - U.S. Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts

Also wants MA to select particular hospitals as "Ebola Treatment Hubs". Popular BS with no substance behind it at all.

Can I get him unelected? I'll try, but the outcome is doubtful. He'll be in office until the next anti-vape candidate beats him.

He might,... but not with my help.

 

[zapped]

I disagree with the position that a solid, dedicated progressive can never support the defeat of a fellow progressive. That is how political movements help change the views of those in leadership positions with stubborn, entrenched beliefs towards a particular subject.

In other words, if you keep electing people who are terrible on one issue because of your loyalty of them on others, you're going to have a hard time getting them to realize that they should change their position.

Again, solid and dedicated are not words many of us would ever use to characterize a so-called progressive.

In order to be "solid" and "dedicated" you actually have to stand for something....and by that I mean really stand for something...all of the time, day-in and day-out......not just when it suits your ever changing and falsely labelled "progressive" agendas.

The truth, our laws, our Constitution and Bill of Rights, social mores and years of tradition and teaching, all of them are mutable to a progressives way of "thinking"

They have to be in order for them to twist and pervert them to suit their goals.

Progressives see them as mere guidelines instead of hard and fast laws that are written in stone.

Maybe thats why they have such difficulty understanding things like accounting and economics as well?

Once theyre done with those laws, our veterans and our citizens etc, they are as casually tossed aside as they were picked up....and thats not progress by any definition of the word.

 

[Racehorse]

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i'm sure there are similar comedian routines about the ......, the ......, or any other prejorative words and phrases like ".......", etc.

And believe me, I've been within earshot of people who talk that way and use slurs, both racial and otherwise.

(Its not like I"ve never watched any Jerry Springer shows. )


..........No thanks, though, for me.

 

[caveat]

Sensible fiscal policy and progressives should NEVER be mentioned in the same sentence either.

I agreed with the rest of your comments as well, but this one most of all. Complete oxymoron there.

 

[classwife]

Let's keep this thread on topic please

 

[Grimwald]

I've been down this rabbit hole a few times here.

First, I will be very clear. I'm a liberal....proud, unabashed, tree-hugging, liberal. Nothing said here will ever get me to vote any other way. Period. I, too, was a bit miffed by the pop-up to contribute to a political campaign.

.I have always thought that the best way to promote vaping was to sway public opinion. In todays polarized society, you loose 50% of the population if you make it a political issue. Start throwing around slurs and Fox talking points (or MSNBC if you prefer) and half the people will tune you out. Just my.

 

[stevegmu]

Harm Reduction

Anti-smoking activists give smokers a stark choice: Stop smoking or die! In fact, there is a third path: reduce the harm by shifting to less-hazardous products that provide similar enjoyment. For example, switching from cigarettes to smokeless tobacco products or electronic cigarettes dramatically reduces the health risk.

For many years, Swedes have used a kind of “spitless tobacco” called “snus.” At least partly because of the widespread use of snus, Sweden has the lowest rate of cigarette smoking and lung cancer in Europe. Surely there are lessons here for U.S. tobacco policy.

Over the past several years, several millions cigarette smokers worldwide have quit smoking or dramatically reduced their cigarette consumption thanks to the use of smoke-free, tobacco-free, and often nicotine-free electronic cigarettes. In April 2014, the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health published a report summarizing a survey of more than 19,000 past and present users of electronic cigarettes – the largest survey of its kind to date.

Here is what the survey found:

Electronic cigarettes helped 81% of the survey respondents quit smoking. Among those who had not quit entirely, one-third were non-daily smokers, and the rest had decreased consumption from 20 cigarettes to 4 per day.
Smokers primarily begin using electronic cigarettes for harm reduction and to reduce second-hand smoke exposure to family members.
Electronic cigarettes appear to be effective even in highly-dependent smokers.
Side effects are minor and reported health benefits are substantial.


Here is what this means for public policy:

Electronic cigarettes are reducing smoking rates.
Adult smokers should not be discouraged from using electronic cigarettes.
Over-regulation of electronic cigarettes could make the products less appealing to potential quitters.
In light of their public health benefits, governmental policies should not treat electronic cigarettes the same as traditional tobacco products.
Unfortunately, some public health organizations and lobbying groups have made a business out of opposing smoking. If electronic cigarettes solve many of the problems that come from smoking tobacco, their “business” may be hurt. This conflict of interest means they will be among the last to admit that electronic cigarettes are a safe alternative for smokers.

Sounds good to me...

In Defense of Smokers | Heartland Institute

 

[v1k1ng1001]

About as much sense as a liberal from Texas actually.

Ive seen no progress on any of the issues youve mentioned from liberal representatives. Ive seen CLAIMS that quickly wither under fire and the application of things like facts, logic and common sense.

Sensible fiscal policy and progressives should NEVER be mentioned in the same sentence either.

Progressiveness is a lie, regressive and degenerate is much closer to the truth.

There is no such thing unless you are truly naive enough to believe that:

Corporations and businesses dont create jobs.

If you like your health insurance/doctor you can keep it

That Obamacare will save the average citizen 2700 dollars a year

You cant catch Ebola from sitting next to someone on a bus.

You have to pass it to see whats in it

etc etc ad nauseum

It's ironic you mention logic because you've managed to pack an ad hominem and scare tactics in your protracted red herring. Informal fallacies and appeals to irrelevant issues do not an argument make. If this is an example of common sense please consider me uncommon.

 

[LDS714]

Ok, I will admit that I am perhaps wrong about Greg. I would be encouraged if I knew he were walking away from the HI to pursue a career in public service for the right reasons and I think that is what you're saying.

This almost sounds like you have the impression that Greg is the candidate in question. If so, you have a LOT more research to do before being able to make the statements you have made with any basis in fact.

 

[v1k1ng1001]

This almost sounds like you have the impression that Greg is the candidate in question. If so, you have a LOT more research to do before being able to make the statements you have made with any basis in fact.

I'm not in NM so I'm not voting. I'm merely responding to what others have posted.

 

[Soignee]

Whether Liz Thompson is anti-vape or not, this is totally wrong to support a campaign to defeat her by Gregory Conley, a research fellow with the Heartland Institute.

The Heartland Institute is an extreme right wing political lobby organization. Their views are not representative of the majority of the United States', New Mexico's, or Liz Thompson's district.

There are a lot more issues involved in this campaign than just her incorrect stance on vaping, which is unpopular and will not pass. She is a good progressive representative, and does not deserve targeting by ECF, especially in a manner in which the members of this forum cannot respond to the one sided political lobbying behind the banner at the top of the page. Her proposed anti-vaping bill should be opposed by ECF and the vaping community, but not her position as a representative.

I strongly object to ECF becoming a tool of an extreme right wing lobby in the USA.

ECF is a British owned entity, and should not be involved in US politics whatsoever beyond single issues. They are supporting a candidate by placing this banner, not an issue.

And you are also welcome to your opinion. Thanks for posting. You are promoting how our political system is supposed to work.

 

[LMS62]

We're right, and their wrong! No wait, maybe it's their wrong and we're right! It's us against them. They're stupid....and we're not. C'mon folks, be honest, I can't be the only one that finds many political discussions (especially online) to be downright comical.

 

[six]

I strongly object to ECF becoming a tool of an extreme right wing lobby in the USA.

Those of a political party most likely to attack vaping should press the issue with their chosen representatives - hold them responsible - change their positions. Since they have proven both unwilling and/or unable to do such a thing... I sure didn't read about any primary challengers put forth to challenge her seat from the same pary... perhaps they should consider refraining from freaking out when organized resistance to such politicians springs forth from such sources as CASAA.

It's up to you to be active. If you are not actively calling and writing your rep, or replacing that rep with a better one, then you are indeed part of the problem. I have seen ZERO evidence CASAA considers R vs D at all. They consider who is wrong-headedly and aggressively attacking vaping.

 

[Rotowoman]

I strongly object to ECF becoming a tool of an extreme right wing lobby in the USA.

To be quite frank, I don't understand why anyone should have a problem with what a website owner decides to promote on his own website. If this was the biggest problem I had in the life, I'd consider myself blessed.

 

[v1k1ng1001]

At the end of the day there are strong arguments to support vaping that appeal to the left and to the right. Banning and/or regulations that place vaping in the hands of big tobacco make no sense pragmatically. Vaping is a win in terms of health costs and small business development.

 

[Nermal]

I don't recognize the name, so she probably won't be on my ballot, but I'll be keeping an eye out for her.

On the other topic that seems to be going around, CASSA and ECF are indeed single purpose organizations. So are Sierra Club and National Rifle Association. I don't see the problem.

 

[LDS714]

I'm not in NM so I'm not voting. I'm merely responding to what others have posted.

OK, just to be clear, Greg Conley is not the candidate. It's odd that someone should have such strong views about a candidate and what he/she stands for without being clear on exactly who they are.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again and again. Rooting (or voting) for (or against) someone based solely on the letter on their jersey is basically the same as being a drunken soccer hooligan.

 

[ScottChensoda]

Politics in any way shape or form is so....

 

[Nermal]

Rooting (or voting) for (or against) someone based solely on the letter on their jersey is basically the same as being a drunken soccer hooligan.

If the letters you mean are R & D, I mostly disagree. Majority party furnishes committee chairmen in congress. They also get a majority of seats on each committee. These are significant advantages.

 

[zapped]

It's ironic you mention logic because you've managed to pack an ad hominem and scare tactics in your protracted red herring. Informal fallacies and appeals to irrelevant issues do not an argument make. If this is an example of common sense please consider me uncommon.

I think you mistake my intentions entirely here.

I dont post to sway the opinion of "progressives" since I've already given them up as a lost cause.

IMO thats just as futile as trying to teach a brain-damaged chicken how to perform calculus while playing the ukelele.

Left to their own devices most of them will destroy themselves anyway...the issue is that theyre hell bent on taking the rest of us along with them.

I post to let those who share my opinions know they aren't alone, that there's still a glimmer of hope left in this world, despite your party's misguided and delusional efforts to destroy it....and vaping as well........all in the name of false progress and change.

An argument would imply equal footing/common ground and apparently some of us arent even on the same planet.