I resent ECF's campaign regarding the New Mexico State Rep. Liz Thompson

[chopdoc]

I firmly believe politics should not be tolerated on ECF. This is a vaping community, not a political one and too many people get their feelings hurt over politics. The original post cut down to its bare basics is nothing more than "ECF is supporting a republican and I dont like it." and should of been deleted the moment a moderator seen it. Who ECF supports is their business and if they chose to support one candidate or another is not for us to decided.

If Greg Conley was being supported by one of the many ultra liberal Soros funded groups we wouldnt of heard a word of complaint from the original poster and probably no one at all would of said much because those on the right usually ignore stuff like that. I know I wouldn’t of bothered to say a word yet I view Soros as evil and doing everything in his power to destroy the country I love.

In my opinion ECF is the best vapor hangout on the net. So many awesome people here its unreal. I have done everything in my power to avoid politics including walking away when others "went there" but everyone slips occasionally and I have too. As a die hard Tea Party member I dont believe its my place to tell ECF how to run its forum but I would suggest that politics be banned. Other than discussing vaping legislation or anti/pro vaping candidates, there should be no place for politics in this community. Just my

 

[VapingTurtle]

I firmly believe politics should not be tolerated on ECF. This is a vaping community, not a political one and too many people get their feelings hurt over politics. ...

Then delete the rest of your post my friend.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Whether Liz Thompson is anti-vape or not, this is totally wrong to support a campaign to defeat her by Gregory Conley, a research fellow with the Heartland Institute.

The Heartland Institute is an extreme right wing political lobby organization. Their views are not representative of the majority of the United States', New Mexico's, or Liz Thompson's district.

There are a lot more issues involved in this campaign than just her incorrect stance on vaping, which is unpopular and will not pass. She is a good progressive representative, and does not deserve targeting by ECF, especially in a manner in which the members of this forum cannot respond to the one sided political lobbying behind the banner at the top of the page. Her proposed anti-vaping bill should be opposed by ECF and the vaping community, but not her position as a representative.

I strongly object to ECF becoming a tool of an extreme right wing lobby in the USA.

If she is dumb (or evil) enough to tell lies about vaping, how anybody can suggest to vote for her?
She is a proven liar now, she is not worthy any votes.

 

[Placebo Effect]

I firmly believe politics should not be tolerated on ECF. This is a vaping community, not a political one and too many people get their feelings hurt over politics.

I understand where you are coming from, but if the vaping community does not engage in politics -- both in the U.S. and worldwide -- this industry is at great risk of being decimated.

New vapers may not know just how close we came to politicians enacting bans on sales of e-cigarettes to adults from 2009-2011. Besides the FDA fight, bills were introduced in around 8 states to ban the sale of e-cigarettes to adults. These bills were supported by "public health" groups like the American Cancer Society and American Lung Association. A CA bill made it all the way to the Governor before he vetoed it. A NY bill on the subject actually made it through the entire Assembly. Since the health industry groups abandoned that approach, we have been fighting uneducated state legislators across the U.S. who make reckless comments about e-cigarettes that lead smokers and their families to believe vaping could be just as hazardous as smoking.

We are no longer in danger of e-cigarette technology being banned at the state level, but we are in grave danger of being attacked with liquid & flavor bans, cigarette-style taxation, usage bans that even extend to retail stores, etc.

If we only engage when a bill is on the table, but drop out come election time, politicians will learn that even though the vapor community has a large voice when threatened, the community can still be walked on.

 

[VapingTurtle]

If she is dumb (or evil) enough to tell lies about vaping, how anybody can suggest to vote for her?
She is a proven liar now, she is not worthy any votes.

Maybe you are right.

So, Greg Conley, you have the information. Please provide a list of all candidates that have made proposals against vaping.

 

[sub4me]

We are no longer in danger of e-cigarette technology being banned at the state level, but we are in grave danger of being attacked with liquid & flavor bans, cigarette-style taxation, usage bans that even extend to retail stores, etc.

I think you said your some sort of political advocate or something, I might be wrong but what to do mean when you say liquid bans??

 

[Smann245]

OP - You're not going to have much success spreading your propaganda in a forum where the audience can engage you. There's a reason why lefty's don't do talk radio. Their listeners would call in and destroy them. Places where the conversation is one way (tv, classrooms, Hollywood folks talking to leftist media etc.) is where pushing progressive agendas can work. A place where people can easily open a new window, do some fact checking and easily counter what you're saying isn't where you should be selling your amusing disgust with the 'right wing'. Kinda like this thread. I bet that you have successfully pushed more people towards the righty in the contest you mention than accomplish any of your intended goals. Thanks.

 

[Bman1959]

Maybe you are right.

So, Greg Conley, you have the information. Please provide a list of all candidates that have made proposals against vaping.

Let me get this right. First you did not like it when one candidates position was advocated against and now you want them all?

 

[Placebo Effect]

Maybe you are right.

So, Greg Conley, you have the information. Please provide a list of all candidates that have made proposals against vaping.

I don't have a list, although I am working with two different groups who are working on voting guides / websites for future elections. If you name me a state, I'd be glad to let you know if there have any anti-vaping voices.

 

[Placebo Effect]

I think you said your some sort of political advocate or something, I might be wrong but what to do mean when you say liquid bans??

Earlier this year, a NY Senate bill (proposed by a Long Island Republican) to ban e-liquid sales passed the Senate, but fortunately did not get through the Assembly.

A Republican Kentucky state representative (day job: tobacco farmer) recently said in a TV interview that the Legislature may need to explore taxing e-cigarettes and banning e-liquid.

Blu and Logic are coming out with non-refillable, prefilled liquid tanks by the end of 2014. I expect Altria and RJR will move in this direction as well in 2015. At that point, I'd expect most of these companies (or at least RJR) to begin campaigning at the state level to ban e-liquid sales on the basis that the availability of closed tanks means that liquid in bottles is no longer necessary.

 

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[chopdoc]

Turtle, it is people such as yourself I was thinking about with the feeling getting hurt. I am sure your an ok guy and I would probably love discussing mods, and drippers and juices with you and more than likely you could probably teach me and others a thing or two. You have over 13K post so I would believe you know what your talking about when it comes to vaping but as soon as it hit politics its been my experince that lines are instantly drawn by those on the left and then passion over comes common sense. This thread you started is a prime example. All about a as you call it a far right wing group. Nothing about what the man stands for, his already proven work for vapors or anything. Instantly labeled a "tool". Thats passion my friend and has nothing to do with fact, stances, ideology or anything. I dont want to see ECF degrade into this. I would rather keep it politicly neautral where yes we discuss this legislation effecting vapors or that politician thats for big tobacco and against vaping regardless of what political faction he is with versus flat out internet political flame wars.

 

[sub4me]

Earlier this year, a NY Senate bill (proposed by a Long Island Republican) to ban e-liquid sales passed the Senate, but fortunately did not get through the Assembly.

A Republican Kentucky state representative (day job: tobacco farmer) recently said in a TV interview that the Legislature may need to explore taxing e-cigarettes and banning e-liquid.

Blu and Logic are coming out with non-refillable, prefilled liquid tanks by the end of 2014. I expect Altria and RJR will move in this direction as well in 2015. At that point, I'd expect most of these companies (or at least RJR) to begin campaigning at the state level to ban e-liquid sales on the basis that the availability of closed tanks means that liquid in bottles is no longer necessary.

That's what I thought you were talking about but I wanted to be sure I had it right.

I did notice there's a brand at Walgreens selling prefilled tanks of their liquid along with bottled liquid. I was under the impression the pre filled tanks were there so the customer could sample the flavors before buying a full bottle. I believe the prefilled tanks can be filled again, at least it looked that way.

Why would some of these companies not want to sell bottled liquid??

 

[VapingTurtle]

Let me get this right. First you did not like it when one candidates position was advocated against and now you want them all?

Yes. That would be considerably more fair to the vaping community than a campaign by a lobbyist on ECF against a single candidate.

(Yes, Greg has offered justification for singling out this individual, but I cannot give credence to a research fellow working for a big tobacco supporting, science denying think tank. Due to his association with HI I have to believe his motives go further than just anti-vape. WAY wrong messenger.)

 

[VapingTurtle]

Earlier this year, a NY Senate bill (proposed by a Long Island Republican) to ban e-liquid sales passed the Senate, but fortunately did not get through the Assembly.

A Republican Kentucky state representative (day job: tobacco farmer) recently said in a TV interview that the Legislature may need to explore taxing e-cigarettes and banning e-liquid.
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Well, then, let us vote them out of office, no matter what else they stand for! Give us the names! Raise money here on ECF to throw them out of office!

 

[sub4me]

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No disrespect here and I'm Not posting to argue in anyway with you. But most of those are just proposals and others commenting with there opinion on what they think might happen. I may be missing something or several things but I don't vaping really going away. Were way beyond that point in my opinion. Now taxing might be something they get away with, and placing vaping restrictions on where we can vape (we all kind of expect that to come), but I don't see any real bans of liquid sales having any real legs to stand on.

If this come off as argumentive to you (which it is Not meant as) please feel free to delete it with no explanation needed.

 

[chopdoc]

Earlier this year, a NY Senate bill (proposed by a Long Island Republican) to ban e-liquid sales passed the Senate, but fortunately did not get through the Assembly.

A Republican Kentucky state representative (day job: tobacco farmer) recently said in a TV interview that the Legislature may need to explore taxing e-cigarettes and banning e-liquid.

Blu and Logic are coming out with non-refillable, prefilled liquid tanks by the end of 2014. I expect Altria and RJR will move in this direction as well in 2015. At that point, I'd expect most of these companies (or at least RJR) to begin campaigning at the state level to ban e-liquid sales on the basis that the availability of closed tanks means that liquid in bottles is no longer necessary.

I fail to see how a ban on eliquid could even be considered constitutionally allowable without also a ban on all forms of tobacco.

 

[readeuler]

Why would some of these companies not want to sell bottled liquid??

Bottled liquid can go in any refillable device. If a company wanted consumers to stick with their products, they might lobby to have bottled liquid banned, so you could only use RJR their liquid that comes in their proprietary tanks/carts.

Less choices = more market share, with only a few more bully tactics.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Bottled liquid can go in any refillable device. If a company wanted consumers to stick with their products, they might lobby to have bottled liquid banned, so you could only use RJR their liquid that comes in their proprietary tanks/carts.

Less choices = more market share, with only a few more bully tactics.

Sounds like printer cartridges.

BT has heavily invested in non refillable cartridges and lobbied the FDA to ban other toppers and liquids.

 

[klynnn]

I would like to see people fight for their beliefs instead of being offended every time I turn around. Your PC beliefs are what is destroying this country. I am offended by your post because you want a free ride by being offended.