I resent ECF's campaign regarding the New Mexico State Rep. Liz Thompson

[Katya]

But, I think what I said is true; SJ is no "pastor," many probably don't even know it's his forum, and as we unfortunately saw with the FDA comments, those here who are actually willing to *do something* other than bellyache and prognosticate are a real minority. Clearly, SJ is willing to *do something* and if the venue he provides also carries his political beliefs, that is his right, and one of the benefits that may accrue to someone who provides a venue such as this -- just like ads.

^ This. Thanks Andria.

I really tried not to post in this thread... Lord is my witness, I tried so hard...

So here goes. To all of you who have the courage, commitment and dedication to fight, daily, on our behalf, thank you. From the bottom of my heart. Oliver (who founded this forum in 2007), Bill G., Greg, Julie, Kristin (and everybody in CASAA, and other pro-vaping organizations)--please accept my gratitude and admiration for your efforts. I--and thousands of other vapers--are forever in your debt. You are saving our lives.

And I'm truly saddened that there are so many among us who do little or nothing themselves, but attack, complain and criticize those who do.

 

[Davey59]

Totally agree.

I just would rather the "bumper sticker" listed the platform of both candidates on several different issues and did a better job of informing the forum members so they could make a more educated decision on whether or not they wanted to contribute to the campaign of one over the other.

Really, a list of the platform? Why, to try and confuse the issue? get everybody talking about something else other than the issue they might actually care about? Personally I think this is pathetic.

Sorry if this seems harsh, OK I'm not. It's like every time somebody on this thread says "well I suppose I can see that" it is quickly followed by more drivel making it quite obvious they were not at all serious and are just looking for a compromise, when they have nothing to offer..

Why not complain about fair treatment of candidates by the American press and news agencies,, oh I think I know why.

I have no problem with a pastor or a Hollywood doofus or anyone else spouting anything he wants at a group of people willing to listen. The left is always trying to shut people up that don't tow their line, and often in the name of fairness for god sake.

 

[zapped]

Totally agree.

I just would rather the "bumper sticker" listed the platform of both candidates on several different issues and did a better job of informing the forum members so they could make a more educated decision on whether or not they wanted to contribute to the campaign of one over the other.

And yes, I know it's a vaping forum, so that's probably all that matters, and I also know they're free to say anything they want, but I also think the owners/managers/moderators do have a position of influence (with many) and could have done a better job of educating about these particular candidate.

Its not the bumper stickers responsibility to do that for you.

Its YOURS.

Part of the danger of being spoon-fed information (yes I said it) is those supplying the information for you count on that same laziness in regards to your checking facts.

Thats why rags like Huff post are still in existence IMO.Its also why I dont listen to Fox News or any other media outlet that tries to give me my opinion.

The fact remains that if, after doing research, you simply cannot get behind Conrad James or Heartland Institute, THEN DONT.

Thats a personal decision that has no bearing whatsoever on the rest of us or this forums decision to endorse a candidate or not....as they see fit.

The real issue here is that some of you dont agree with their assessment and think that ECF should stop just because it offends a handful of misguided and delusional individuals.

Never mind the rest of us who happen to agree with them. And never mind that were the majority here either. Or that our first loyalty is to vaping while yours is ...divided....at best.

There used to be a time in this country when instead of trying to silence people we respected their rights and freedom.

Notice how none of us are saying that liberal, "progressive" vapers should be banned from the forums?

Or as Voltaire said; "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

It seems as if the "progressive' version of that is: "I do not agree with what you have to say, so I will enact laws to make sure you do not say it any more."

 

[Empress Kitty]

I agree, It has been said countless times that this is a privately owned forum and the owner is free to do with whatever he wants and they are free to leave. It appears that some here resent that ownership and the privileges of that ownership and just can't let it go.

Your bumper sticker analogy is very good although an extreme leftist would key the car and pull signs from yards.

Only leftists would vandalise something they don't agree with?




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[Davey59]

Only leftists would vandalise something they don't agree with?

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I am sure not, but certainly looks like they are far more likely to do it. People were in fear of putting republican stickers on their cars here, but that was the point of doing it, wasn't it. Did not hear of ONE, NOT ONE instance of somebody doing that to an Obama supporter out here, not one.

 

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Only leftists would vandalise something they don't agree with?

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Youre assuming that the person who did this had any political or religious leanings at all.

It could have just as easily been a drunk and angry 16 year old kid trying to impress their "friends".

Your point in this discussion, if indeed there is one, is moot, just like the opinions of your compatriots.

Typical ruse of the left when losing an argument is to:

Lie

Attempt to cover the lie

Confuse the issue

Distract from the issue with shocking topics or pictures

and if all else fails

blame Bush or scream racism/homophobia

 

[Davey59]

Just thought I would point it out before the easily offended do what they do best. I wrote, "extreme leftist" most leftists are simply uninformed and confused, not violent lawbreakers that use intimidation tactics or dangerous in any other way other than to my wallet or my rights.

 

[PapawBrett]

The Arena of Free Speech, specifically in Politics, is what separates the United States from a Dictatorship.
Whether it is The Masochist Left or the Sacrificial Right, they never speak for me. Only for their own Careers.
Progressing towards... What ? Conserving... What ? It's all for Power.
The ECF is speaking for Vapers, the same way the AFL-CIO speaks for Union membership, The NRA speaks for the Constitutional Rights of Gun Owners, The NAACP speaks for African Americans, The AARP speaks for Senior Citizens.....
It is actually quite the American thing to do.

Read the Signature below the Banner...

 

[Empress Kitty]

Youre assuming that the person who did this had any political or religious leanings at all.

It could have just as easily been a drunk and angry 16 year old kid trying to impress their "friends".

Your point in this discussion, if indeed there is one, is moot, just like the opinions of your compatriots.

Typical ruse of the left when losing an argument is to:

Lie

Attempt to cover the lie

Confuse the issue

Distract from the issue with shocking topics or pictures

and if all else fails

blame Bush or scream racism/homophobia

Wow, just wow. Indignation doesn't serve you're position.

Also, do you realise the glaring hypocrisy in this post?


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[spartanstew]

Really, a list of the platform? Why, to try and confuse the issue? get everybody talking about something else other than the issue they might actually care about? Personally I think this is pathetic.

Sorry if this seems harsh, OK I'm not. It's like every time somebody on this thread says "well I suppose I can see that" it is quickly followed by more drivel making it quite obvious they were not at all serious and are just looking for a compromise, when they have nothing to offer..

Why not complain about fair treatment of candidates by the American press and news agencies,, oh I think I know why.

I have no problem with a pastor or a Hollywood doofus or anyone else spouting anything he wants at a group of people willing to listen. The left is always trying to shut people up that don't tow their line, and often in the name of fairness for god sake.

Its not the bumper stickers responsibility to do that for you.

Its YOURS.

I do, but it's not about me (or you). It's about people that don't take that responsibility.

Do you not think that some people have donated money to that cause without researching it? I can guarantee you they have. Because they trust this forum. Even though, for other reasons, it's possible the opposing candidate might be better for them.

Your right, it's not the "Bumper Stickers" responsibility to do that for anyone, but I would like to think this forum and it's hierarchy are better than a bumper sticker. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[spartanstew]

Did not hear of ONE, NOT ONE instance of somebody doing that to an Obama supporter out here, not one.

Come to Texas, you'll see the opposite is the case.

 

[Bronze]

I enjoy a good donnybrook now and again.

Proceed.

 

[Empress Kitty]

I do, but it's not about me (or you). It's about people that don't take that responsibility.

Do you not think that some people have donated money to that cause without researching it? I can guarantee you they have. Because they trust this forum. Even though, for other reasons, it's possible the opposing candidate might be better for them.

Your right, it's not the "Bumper Stickers" responsibility to do that for anyone, but I would like to think this forum and it's hierarchy are better than a bumper sticker. Maybe I'm wrong.

Here's a good one for you to use in the future.




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[VapingTurtle]

Once the tin foil hat goes on, all cognizance of the point evaporates.

 

[VapingTurtle]

I enjoy a good donnybrook now and again.

Proceed.

Yeah this one rolled right outta the bar and into the middle of the street. Damned rednecks.

 

[Davey59]

Once the tin foil hat goes on, all cognizance of the point evaporates.

No mention of the tinfoil blinders you seem so fond of. Yup, call us kooks if you have nothing of substance to offer, time tested strategy for you guys. This thread is a very good example.

 

[PapawBrett]

There is an ECF Rule described as 'Trolling' i.e. Making Inflammatory Remarks to Incite a Particular Response, Insulting another ECF Member, etc...

Hope you weren't planning on this thread being up much longer....

 

[Bronze]

My two cents is as follows. There are numerous single-issue groups who raise money to buy the biggest bullhorn it can buy. Does it disregard other (perhaps bigger) issues? You better believe it. Be that as it may, it is what it is. ECF is a vaping community whose rights are under attack. That ECF exposes a politician for their anti-vaping activities is fine with me. I don't much care which political persuasion they belong to. We can each decide how much weight this single issue should carry when deciding who to vote for.

OK, I'm done. Resume regular programming.

 

[zapped]

I do, but it's not about me (or you). It's about me thinking I can make a decision for people that don't take that responsibility.

Do you not think that some people have donated money to that cause without researching it? I can guarantee you they have. Because they trust this forum. Even though, for other reasons, it's possible the opposing candidate might be better for them.

Your right, it's not the "Bumper Stickers" responsibility to do that for anyone, but I would like to think this forum and it's hierarchy are better than a bumper sticker. Maybe I'm wrong.

I fixed that for you.

This forums concerns arent with other issues. Its not a forum about global warming, transgender rights, gun rights or a myriad of other issues.

Its a forum about vaping.

Perhaps you'd be more comfortable at and less critical of a forum founded to support left leaning politics?

Some of them might even vape.

 

[spartanstew]

I fixed that for you.

This forums concerns arent with other issues. Its not a forum about global warming, transgender rights, gun rights or a myriad of other issues.

Its a forum about vaping.

Perhaps you'd be more comfortable at and less critical of a forum founded to support left leaning politics?

Some of them might even vape.

First, you fixed it to say the exact opposite of what I've been saying, so clearly you're not comprehending.

Second, why in the hell would you think my politics lean left?? Can you find one instance of where I've stated this? ?

It's the exact opposite.

But, again, you've at least demonstrated that your reading comprehension is lacking, so I'll give you points for consistency.