I think I'm done with e-cigarettes/One born every minute

[tessagreenuk]

I do not careless what my e-cig looks like any more as long as it works all the time and does not cost me to much money in the long run. My screwdriver fits the bill perfectly. Great smoke everytime and no duff batteries going wrong every few weeks. I just wish i had found it before i spend so much on others before hand. Least i found it now and i love it

 

[Moonflame]

I guess I was lucky, because I did a lot of reading of this forum before I purchased and spent about 45 mins talking to the person I ordered from. She told me to think of the different parts of the device as disposable and to expect to buy a couple of atomizers and a battery every month. Even with the cost of juice that is about 1/4 of what I was spending on analogs. With that mindset I think it will make it easier when something dies, which thankfully hasn't happened yet. Even if I have to but 4 times as much stuff as I expect to I'll still only be spending what I did on analogs and I enjoy vaping so much more than smoking, and I LOVED smoking. That, and the fact that I love not having to pay more taxes than a non-smoker now (how they can moralize making 3/4 of what you pay for anything taxes is beyond me...if they did that to any other product people would riot), will keep me vaping.

 

[tlc]

WOW! Some of you have really dropped the bucks! I didn't want to do that, so I did ALOT of research before I purchased. I decided on the 510, bought 2 kits (1 for backup), carts and juice and have spent about 150.00. That's what I would have spent on analogs in a month anyway. Now that I have the kits, I won't be spending half that on replacement parts and juice.

I would never order from China... I just don't have the patience!

 

[franklyspeaking]

If you want something that works well and is the same shape and size as a cigarette, you are not going to find it.

Don't get me wrong, they'll get you started, they'll convince you this is doable. Only a big battery device will convince you that it is possible to vape consistently day in and day out without playing the battery management game and dropping a lot of $$ on batteries.

 

[Tallgirl1974]

I get how frustrated these are at times- sometimes I want to throw mine out the window- BUT....Even at one new atty and one new battery a week its STILL cheaper than smoking. Id rather be made a fool of by faulty parts than made a fool by philip morris. I consider all parts (minus the charger) disposable and keep my stock up accordingly. Maintenance is a PIA, but cancer would suck more.

 

[CoderGuy]

This really is a great thread, so many useful and constructive comments. It really shows the importance of community in these matters. When you feel like you are going at it alone, you just need a thread like this to pump you up and remind you that we are part of a larger picture, helping to shape the future of smoking, helping to make people more healthy.

Most importantly it is communities like ours that will help keep the FDA from ignorantly banning such a useful product by getting the word out. All the stories we have been seeing lately on the news and online are in response to people like us being vocal about the product. If not for that, it would have gone quietly into the night.

The thing we have to remember is that while this is a significant and important product for us (smokers), it's even more so for non-smokers. First, they see hope for their smoking relatives (several of my non-smoking friends have asked about this for their smoking relatives) and second, it means no more second-hand smoke for them.

Surprisingly, most non-smokers are not in favor of how we get treated, or all the bans. Most of these things pass by narrow margins due to most of the smokers not going and voting against them (I know several smokers and none, including me, have ever gone out and voted against them). With supposedly only around 20% smokers it wouldn't be so close unless a lot of non-smokers are voting against it. Back in the old days of smoking sections in restaurants many times my non-smoking friends offered to sit in smoking so I could smoke (I always declined of course but always appreciated their gesture).

FuzzyL, you are exactly right, we make the products better by doing what we are doing. I have always been an early adopter and have had some of the same issues with other products (not quite to this extent though), it's the price you pay for being on the cutting edge.

CoderGuy

 

[Boredoftheworld]

I would never order from China... I just don't have the patience!

A Tale of Two Shipments:

Both ordered on the same day, one from a domestic supplier the other from a Chinese company, both are highly regarded by forum regulars.

Domestic order

Arrival at Unit, July 06, 2009, 5:38 am, GREENVILLE, SC 29601

Processed through Sort Facility, July 01, 2009, 6:23 pm, SAN JOSE, CA 95101

Electronic Shipping Info Received, July 01, 2009

Chinese order

Processed through Sort Facility, July 06, 2009, 12:13 am, GREENVILLE, SC 29602

Inbound International Arrival, July 02, 2009, 9:15 pm, ISC NEW YORK NY(USPS)

Origin Post is Preparing Shipment

Foreign International Dispatch, July 01, 2009, 2:36 am, GUANGZHOU EMS, CHINA PEOPLES REP

Foreign Acceptance, June 30, 2009, 8:20 pm

As it happens this is already the third order I've placed with the domestic company and this is stunningly slow compared to the first two orders (which is hilarious considering I put a note in the comment box of the order asking if there was a faster way to ship, apparently the answer is "no, and don't ask again.") nevertheless it looks like the Chinese order will arrive first.

There is a THIRD package on the way from another domestic supplier that I ordered on 6/25/09 but I have no tracking information, and I won't be bothering that company with another order in the future.

 

[happily]

I think if someone sits down and does the math, it's not as bad as you might think.

$13/ a day x 7 days is$91 dollars a week. So I could buy a $48 510 starter kit (2 batts/attys) and say $4 for carts and I'm still sitting on $39 a week left for juice and that's a lot of juice.

A lot of us could throw away 2 batts and atty's a week and still save money. I am six weeks in and still running the first 2 atty's I bought.(wife also) I am wondering how many people weren't discarding cig butts left and right. Cigs only seem to last me about 10 minutes a piece before I had to discard them and topping off a cart takes no longer than opening a pack a lighting up. Blowing out an atomizer takes no longer than driving to the gas station to purchase a pack.
I am not going to say that there isn't a lot of faulty product out there. I know there is but if you do the monthly math of what analogs cost and decide how many batts and atty's you can afford to throw away each month, a lot of us(not all) would be pleasantly surprised.


I am also quite certain a lot of us had to stop what we were doing,, get up, walk outside and stand for 10 minutes/ 20 to 50 times a days to make our cigs work properly

,,,,,,,,,,(one more on the 510 train)

 

[Jim Davis]

If you want something that works well and is the same shape and size as a cigarette, you are not going to find it.

Don't get me wrong, they'll get you started, they'll convince you this is doable. Only a big battery device will convince you that it is possible to vape consistently day in and day out without playing the battery management game and dropping a lot of $$ on batteries.

That's debatable;

If you use an e-cig as intended, the minis work well and last a reasonably long time. It's when you get into heavy use, and constant vaping, that you need the mods. Different strokes for different folks.

If everyone matched their equipment to their usage, there would be less problems. A lot of people on this group have to get the users facts before they start recommending. It would save a lot of frustration.

 

[TheColoradoDude]

Chinese supplier=Domestic Dealer I believe they are all made in china? or maybe not?

Anyone have that link to the battery charging thread? My directions say charge 8 hours, then use for 20 minutes, then charge 1 hour? What do you think it means by using 20 minutes? 20 minutes of the blue led light on my 510? or just casually using it for 20 minutes?

Thank you!

 

[TropicalBob]

Lots of experiences here to learn from. Most of us are probably so knowledgeable that we forget that e-smoking has a learning curve.

But I'm most concerned with the comments on the elderly. I used to get pleasure from seeing an elderly smoker -- "see, they all don't die!" But there are many very good reasons why even the oldest smoker should quit tobacco cigarettes. Not for longevity, but for "shortgevity."

Ever watched an elderly person nod off while sitting in a wheelchair? Oh yes, it happens. What if that person is holding a burning cigarette? What if a bedridden elderly smoker drops a cigarette and doesn't have the mobility to quickly locate it? These are people who need the safety e-cigarettes provide.

And these are the people I would give ONLY DISPOSABLE E-CIGARETTES, like the Ruyan Jazz ($24.95) sold at my local tobacco store. No learning curve. Pick it up, use it until it's empty, throw it away and pick up another. Isn't that exactly what cigarette smokers do. Light up a cigarette, use it up and throw it away. With the disposable e-cig, they can pick it up again at any time, and use it without creating a fire to get it going.

Gamucci makes a disposable; NJoy has one in Europe. Ruyan's Jazz is readily available at a price about equal to smoking commercial cigarettes.

Do your older friends or family members a favor and make it easy for them to play it safer with e-cigs. Don't give them anything you wouldn't give a two-year-old child. No pull apart devices. No liquid cores. No nicotine liquids -- ever! Just a single-unit, tamperproof device that can deliver the nicotine they still need after all those years.

And skip the arguments about "waste" and "environmental friendliness" when we're talking about a group of people wearing Depends!

 

[Tallulah]

I've been using these things since November '08 -- RN4072 exclusively, because it ROCKS, but now can't seem to find the atomizers, cartridges, and passthrough batteries through my heretofore "usual sellers." I'm nearly back to smoking analogs fulltime because of it.

If anyone can point me to a reputable seller in the US who is still carrying RN4072 atomizers and supplies, I'd greatly appreciate it. I've been attempting to use the 801 atomizers but frankly, they suck.

Thanks in advance.

 

[need_2quit]

But I'm most concerned with the comments on the elderly. I used to get pleasure from seeing an elderly smoker -- "see, they all don't die!" But there are many very good reasons why even the oldest smoker should quit tobacco cigarettes. Not for longevity, but for "shortgevity."

Ever watched an elderly person nod off while sitting in a wheelchair? Oh yes, it happens. What if that person is holding a burning cigarette? What if a bedridden elderly smoker drops a cigarette and doesn't have the mobility to quickly locate it? These are people who need the safety e-cigarettes provide.

And these are the people I would give ONLY DISPOSABLE E-CIGARETTES, like the Ruyan Jazz ($24.95) sold at my local tobacco store. No learning curve. Pick it up, use it until it's empty, throw it away and pick up another. Isn't that exactly what cigarette smokers do. Light up a cigarette, use it up and throw it away. With the disposable e-cig, they can pick it up again at any time, and use it without creating a fire to get it going.

Gamucci makes a disposable; NJoy has one in Europe. Ruyan's Jazz is readily available at a price about equal to smoking commercial cigarettes.

Do your older friends or family members a favor and make it easy for them to play it safer with e-cigs. Don't give them anything you wouldn't give a two-year-old child. No pull apart devices. No liquid cores. No nicotine liquids -- ever! Just a single-unit, tamperproof device that can deliver the nicotine they still need after all those years.

That's a good idea TB! Trouble is the disposables would have to give an honest assessment of the actual analogs it replaces per cig. That's where the throw aways aren't a bargain unfortunately. No truth in advertising there.

It does bring up an excellent point though = the elderly could use them (as long as the pg doesn't bring about new health problems or interfere with medications) and we as younger e-smokers could mentor them.

There is an elderly man a few blocks away that smokes like a feind and his wife is going to try to get him on e-cigs. I've offered to fill his carts, trouble shoot it for him, etc. I used to go to his house and smoke analogs with him on his patio to give his wife a break from him lol.

we could adopt the elderly locally and help them out. We are elderly, but still healthy enough to help others in town. Makes for a great community.

 

[need_2quit]

If everyone matched their equipment to their usage, there would be less problems. A lot of people on this group have to get the users facts before they start recommending. It would save a lot of frustration.

EXCELLENT POINT! my son is a mild inhaler. a mini cig would be fine for him. I smoked hot and heavy. The 510 is perfect for me.

Before going orgasmic about referrals, ppl should state how they used to smoke analogs in their reviews and noobs would have a better idea of what will work for them.

I really liked the comment about not exposing non-smokers to smoke anymore. I have many good friends that are non-smokers. They would sit in the smoking section with me, let me smoke in my car/their cars. They LOVE the e-cig and encourage me to keep going with it every chance they get.

The most important benefit of e-cigs for me is not the nicotine = I can get that from nicorette. It's the ability to be around smokers and not be tempted.... AT ALL.

That was always the biggest deterrent to me ever trying to quit. I knew I would either become an anti-smoking ..... from hell, or be so tempted by all my analog friends that I'd never make it.

The e-cig hands down fills that need.

 

[doris]

Hi All,
Thanks for all the support! One of the reasons I'm so nuts is that I really want this to work for me. I actually prefer vaping to smoking but if you've smoked for decades, like I have, you need a ready supply of reliable equipment to make the transition work. IMHO.

I quite liked the 4081(or whatever the mod# is). I got to the point where I knew when I would need to replenish my battery supply. I never had an 4081 atomizer die. Then my equipment saga began.

As for US suppliers, as far as I can determine, everything comes from 3(?) factories in China. I see this as the problem. Does it matter where you buy if the source is the same?

A good part of my frustration comes from the fact that sometimes the hardware is good & reliable but too often not. In other words. the manufacturers could produce a decent product if they wanted to. Back to my comments about QC & manufacturing standards. I would gladly pay a premium & know the product I purchased was reliable.

My current equipment status. Ruyan Direct will refund my money. I have found them to be easy to deal with. I have 2 dead atomizers & 2 extremely weak batteries. The other 2 atomizers & batteries seem to be hanging in there. If they last the week, which will make it nearly 3 wks, I will return the failed stuff for replacements, with fingers crossed. If not, I'll go for the refund.

BTW I did consider the 510(?), with the manual switch until I learned a charged battery only lasts 2 hours. This won't work for me.

BTW again. I haven't reached a firm decision about what to do about my nic addiction if my remaining 2 901s fail this week. I've heard bad things, now, about both the gum & lozenges. I also learned that I can roll my own for about $1.10 a pack + a $40 machine, if I decide to go the coffin nail route.

I plan, in any case, to stick around this forum. My hope is that sometime soon, there will be an e-cig that will reliably meet my needs.

Doris

 

[Lazarus]

Hi Doris, glad you came back

The Janty Mini Fogger might be right up your alley:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/dietsmokes/4308-janty-mini-fogger-video-review.html

 

[frightline]

Juice for refilling carts?
Johnson Creek Smoke juice is the Best!
Make sure you have empty carts too.You can refill the ones that came with your e-cig but you will get a better flavor with fresh empties!!

 

[nibb]

I feel exactly like you. And even worst. I dont mind the weight of the ecigs and I have really like it. Its a month im off analogs.

I spend closely to 200$. And yersteday all 3 batteries died on me. 1 did not charged anymore the other shows charged and doesnt puff, the the last one died today after puffing it very, very hard.

NOBODY said to me batteries would last shorted then carts. This is really a shame. I knew carts dont last long and they costs 2$ bucks each, with liquid I could refill them for a long time. But batteries only last 1 month ???
Come on, this has to be joke. You need 3, or 4 batteries to vape a full day and they costs 30$ each.

This is an expensive toy. Im going back today to analogs. I will never buy an ecig again (not from China at least)

Until a US Company or European company manufacturers an ecig i will not buy them.

I wonder why in the world did not someone in the US or Europe started to produce quality ecigs. I would 200$ for it if they last at least a year. Quality stuff. If its regarding trademark that has to be joke. China copies everything. They dont respect anything. They clone almost every product in the world. Why should a European or US company stop themselfs of manufacturing quality ecigs??????

This is really China crap. They work when they are new and from 2 day to things start to slowly die. I feel exactly like you. I feel like a sucker and this chineses .......s are laughing down to the bank.

I feel really sad for the US stores that sell Ecigs, because I received a good and quick response. They handle things very good, and even try to do some quality control on their stuff. But there is nothing they can really do since they all come from the same communist factory. Even if they try to put things as good as they want, the problem are the Chinese. They are unable to do things that work. Its alway cheap and it works only for sometime. Thats the full market strategy of China, so you have to buy again and again.

I really hope a US company starts developing their own Ecigs. It will leave them out of market very fast. The problem with ecigs is they dont have competition. So they dont care to make crap. How many batteries do I have to buy to vapor a year? 50? Its to complicated and to messy. I could live with the refilling. i even like it. I could live with the 180 puffs battery, which is short, very short, I bought 3 because of it. Ok. But the full life of batteries to last 1 month is really abusing.

 

[DC2]

Battery life/cost of batteries a concern?

Sounds like someone needs one of the mods.
Battery life much longer and batteries much, much cheaper.

But I hear you about making a better product.
Someday, hopefully, that will happen.

 

[nibb]

Battery life/cost of batteries a concern?

Sounds like someone needs one of the mods.
Battery life much longer and batteries much, much cheaper.

But I hear you about making a better product.
Someday, hopefully, that will happen.

The charge on my cell phone lasts a week. Not 2 hours.

I dont think i ever changed my battery cell on any of them, ever.

My 3 ecigs battery died. All 3 in 1 month. 1 in a week.

I dont think batteries are the problem but Chinese batteries are.

If someone would clone an ecig made in the US im sure it will last a year before it dies completely out.