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I want bigger clouds

Discussion in 'Cloud Chasers' started by ChrisBBacon, Nov 11, 2014.

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  1. ChrisBBacon

    ChrisBBacon Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2014
    Kent UK
    Hi guys I was wondering how to get bigger clouds I get ok clouds but I've seen much bigger and don't know where to start
     
  2. Ryedan

    Ryedan ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 31, 2012
    Ontario, Canada
    What hardware are you using, what juice mix and tell us about your atty builds.
     
  3. ChrisBBacon

    ChrisBBacon Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2014
    Kent UK
    I'm kinda new to this I have a 26650 stingray clone by SDK with efest 4200 20amp continuous battery and an igo w14 dripper which I currently have triple vertical twisted coils I can't remember what gauge the wire is but they are 4 wraps 2.5 mm diameter coils at 0.28 ohms and I'm using 10/90 pg/vg juice from my local shop
     
  4. ChrisBBacon

    ChrisBBacon Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2014
    Kent UK
    Oh yh and cotton wicks
     
  5. ChrisBBacon

    ChrisBBacon Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2014
    Kent UK
    Don't know if these will help
     

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  6. ChrisBBacon

    ChrisBBacon Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2014
    Kent UK
    This is what I get
     

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  7. ChrisBBacon

    ChrisBBacon Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2014
    Kent UK
    And this..
     

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  8. ChrisBBacon

    ChrisBBacon Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2014
    Kent UK
    Any help would be appreciated :)
     
  9. Ryedan

    Ryedan ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 31, 2012
    Ontario, Canada
    I'm sorry Chris, I don't know the Igo w14 so I can't really comment. This is not a sub-forum with high traffic, but I expect someone who knows more about this atty will see your thread and comment soon :)
     
  10. G-weezy

    G-weezy Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 16, 2014
    Minneapolis
    You need an atty with more airflow like the Mutation X, Plumeveil, etc. Also the juice you use needs some higher VG.

    I run dual coils in all my setup. Macro coil and wick with cotton. Some like micro coils. But for really big clouds I find a regulated box mod suits my needs more.
     
  11. DaveSignal

    DaveSignal Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 23, 2014
    Maryland
    I chuck clouds with mech mods. Low resistance + great airflow = nice clouds.
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  12. ChrisBBacon

    ChrisBBacon Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2014
    Kent UK
    I have improved my clouds a bit by changing my wick to ko gen do cotton and getting some 100% vg and wacking 50w from my ipv thru it deff better I think half my problem is I haven't seen anyone else blowing clouds in the flesh I'm guessing they look better when your not right behind them lol
     
  13. johndoe1027

    johndoe1027 Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 18, 2014
    NC, USA
    More wattage and more airflow. I run 100 watts and up on my mutation X. At 0.28 ohm you're at 63W on a fully charged battery. I've got up to the 140W (0.125 ohm) range before and the clouds are silly. I upped my resistance to be safer with my batteries and even at 0.14 (126W) I can still fog up any house-sized room in a few hits. The more wattage you're running (on a mech mod that means lower resistance) the hotter the vape is. The hotter the vape is, the more airflow you need to keep your atty from turning into a lip melter. Hope this helps.
     
  14. ChrisBBacon

    ChrisBBacon Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2014
    Kent UK
    I need some thicker kanthal I think then :)
     
  15. ChrisBBacon

    ChrisBBacon Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2014
    Kent UK
    What kinda kanthal or indeed other coiling material do u use/recommend to get these lower resistances I only have 30 gauge atm which I know is too thin for that kind of build
     
  16. ChrisBBacon

    ChrisBBacon Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2014
    Kent UK
    And probably will need different batteries as the 22650 efest are rated at 20 amp continuous which i think anything under 0.21 nudges over this although still well within the 50 amp pulse limit so maybe just a couple of goes won't hurt :s
     
  17. johndoe1027

    johndoe1027 Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 18, 2014
    NC, USA
    I run my efest 18650 at the pulse rating but I don't recommend anyone else do that.

    And yes 30 gauge is too small for what you want. 28 minimum. I've ran 24 ga parallel coils before. That was the 140W range I mentioned. Right now I'm using 26ga dual parallels for 0.144 ohm.

    Now, you could do two coils that are triple parallel with the 30ga to get a low resistance but I wouldn't wish that build on anyone. For me, thicker wire is easier to build with and dual parallels are hard enough.

    ETA - Forgot you have a tri-coil RDA. Google "steam engine coil calculator" and see what the numbers look like for a hex coil using 30ga. Then build 3 coils that are dual parallel.
     
  18. eyerhere

    eyerhere Super Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 7, 2013
    Warren Mi
    .21 is 20 amps that is your bats absolute max. 50 amp pulse does not exist its fiction.
     
  19. CasketWeaver

    CasketWeaver Moved On ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2014
    Decatur, IL 62521
    Ok first thing's first:

    Many things come into play when you ask for clouds. Let's all start with battery safety. Dump the 20A rated battery and get a SAFER battery. Look for 30-35A rated batteries. Remember - the lower the resistance - the more power required off the battery. I use MNKE 26650's because they're rated for 30A Continuous Discharge Rating (CDR) and 60A Pulse Discharge Rating (PDR). In other words - high drain. As far as 18650's - I prefer the EFest 2500MaH 35A CDR batteries. Now, the second part of that is AIRFLOW. Without proper airflow, you will NOT get massive clouds and there's a few reasons for that - 1.) the vape will get super hot and you run the chance of injuring yourself. 2.) I'm no chemist, but the more air mixing with vaporizing liquid = fatter clouds? And finally for fatter clouds - you need the proper wire, wick, and juice. Now I've been doing this awhile. My favorite wire is obviously 20AWG Kanthal A-1. I like it because I can wrap less of it, get good surface area on less wraps, and it produces a more pronounced flavor IMO. You also begin sub-ohming at that level (see BATTERY SAFETY). As far as wick is concerned - I use cellucotton, but Japanese cotton works too. I just prefer those 2 wicking materials all due to the fact that they wick thicker juices which leads us to the last point. Juice. Higher VG juices = bigger clouds but normally carries less flavor. So try a higher VG blend (70VG / 30PG is what I vape on primarily, but I've been as high as 90VG / 10PG) and hopefully if you put all 3 concepts to the test, you'll be blowing fat clouds. As far as atomizers are concerned, with the market being oversaturated with ridiculously high priced atty's if you want a decent atty - that doesn't rack up a hefty price tag - as G-Weezy said, opt for a Mutation X or a Congrevape Doge RDA. Those have (again IMO) the correct airflow for cloud chasing. I personally like the Doge over the Mutation X but they're both good atty's to move into from an IGO.
     
  20. ChrisBBacon

    ChrisBBacon Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2014
    Kent UK
    Sweet so as I suspected thicker kanthal a better battery a new RDA (that plays into my shinyitis nicely) and stick with the 100% vg flavourless cloudage sweet right I have some shinys to buy then I'll keep u posted thanks for all the advise guys :)
     
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