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Typically, I’d agree. But, recently, I’ve had to look to alternative sources over the internet lately due to supply chain issues.
On top of that, I’m likely to be looking at a career change fairly soon and will be looking forward to practicing for my next test.
Yes I had two seven day sets of Falcon system pipes ( hence the Avatar, which I used when I was an Admin on a pipe smokers' Forum), one set with rustic bowls and one with smooth bowls. I also collected silver and gold mounted Peterson pipes.
The Falcons were used during the day in rotation and the Petersons were used in the evening.
I gave the Falcons to my cousin who still smoked a pipe and sold off the expensive Petersons - vaping has been so sucessful for me that I have never missed them, which really says quite something!
Amazing that CT has one freedom that FL does not. I reckon that should please me, but... (WAY too many other things).
12 years since my last cig and I'd be pessimistic about being able to not smoke, but it likely will never come to that (thankfully). Lots of planning (and spending) get the credit.
Impending PM coming soonAmazing that CT has one freedom that FL does not. I reckon that should please me, but... (WAY too many other things).
I smoked those. When I switched, in 2014, they were costin me $6 a pack. A few years later I checked, they then cost $8. I checked again, almost a year ago, they cost $10.. Perique Black is the Top 3 of the concentrated eliq flavors that I prefer. $10 of that will last me a whole lot longer than a day or two..
I bought a pack of Marlboro reds about a month ago or a bit more, just to see what would happen. I still have half a pack. Not touched in weeks. I do use the On! nicotine pouches at work, no vaping in the call center. These are, for me, a viable substitute. They work wonderfully. I suppose if vaping went away, I'd use these before I would go back to smoking. Now, I do like the rare cigar on rare occasions but hardly anybody inhales cigar smoke. You'd have to have counterfeit lungs to do that haha.
Simple answer - No, i can't afford to smoke.
Longer answer - here in the UK a pack a day habit costs in the region of £100 a week, before i stopped i was on a pack and a half
- that's more than my available disposable income (in fact it is about the same as my mortgage payments). I would literally have to give up leaving the house and creep into debt to afford to smoke...... Also, i would probably die painfully, which i would, no doubt, find unpleasant.
When i stopped smoking i pretty much used all the money i would have spent on tobacco stockpiling vaping gear. This went on for a number of years until I realised i had more stuff than any vape store i have ever visited... Not only can i now vape at close to zero cost for the rest of my life - my grandchildren's children could too.
Longer answer - here in the UK a pack a day habit costs in the region of £100 a week, before i stopped i was on a pack and a half
- that's more than my available disposable income (in fact it is about the same as my mortgage payments). I would literally have to give up leaving the house and creep into debt to afford to smoke...... Also, i would probably die painfully, which i would, no doubt, find unpleasant. When i stopped smoking i pretty much used all the money i would have spent on tobacco stockpiling vaping gear. This went on for a number of years until I realised i had more stuff than any vape store i have ever visited... Not only can i now vape at close to zero cost for the rest of my life - my grandchildren's children could too.
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It's about time I admit that EVERY time I see this thread listed in New Posts or Watched Threads, my brain IMMEDIATELY hears >
It's about time I admit that EVERY time I see this thread listed in New Posts or Watched Threads, my brain IMMEDIATELY hears >
You get the funk after death
You get the wisenheimer brainstorm
I'm in touch with your world
So don't you try to hide it
I'm in touch with your world
And nobody's going to buy it
It's such a lovely way to go
It's such a lovely way to go
Wan't Wan't Wan't
Ha Ha,
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I'm in touch with your World.
Yeah....
I worried about that for some years. I came to the conclusion that it was effectively impossible. The basic components are too standardized and available even if it did happen. I vape RDAs and rdtas anyway. So all I need is cotton and one of several types of wire all of which are used for different other things .
C and as such cannot be banned. Such devices are made of stainless and last more or less forever, And if they were ever made illegal they can be produced at home (though it’s kind of a PITA) The flavors are fda baking safe food flavorings so they can’t be made illegal either even though they aren’t actually necessary. As to PG and VG both are used for other things as well. The only hard one is nicotine. I would likely have to extract it from tobacco which takes no more than a paper towel, a dish, and some water. This doesn’t apply to disposables, pods, or cartridge tanks though. They all eventually will become useless. So the worst thing that could happen is it would get vastly cheaper.
C and as such cannot be banned. Such devices are made of stainless and last more or less forever, And if they were ever made illegal they can be produced at home (though it’s kind of a PITA) The flavors are fda baking safe food flavorings so they can’t be made illegal either even though they aren’t actually necessary. As to PG and VG both are used for other things as well. The only hard one is nicotine. I would likely have to extract it from tobacco which takes no more than a paper towel, a dish, and some water. This doesn’t apply to disposables, pods, or cartridge tanks though. They all eventually will become useless. So the worst thing that could happen is it would get vastly cheaper.
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There were so many discussions here about making nicotine over the years. My takeaway was that the best you can do in your kitchen is produce very low concentration and rather dirty nic. One guy with experience in lab work, who understood the methods the tobacco industry uses, gave a good breakdown. He said you would need to set up a clean room with air extraction and around $20K of gear, then you could potentially produce safe and usably high % nic. It's not easy to locate small lab sized versions of that equipment unless you are in the lab business, but it could be done. And some of the chemicals you need are hard to buy without some kind of license. It would also require a high level of skill to pull it off without blowing yourself up or producing something toxic.
I followed those threads when I first got on here, finally decided it wasn't practical. Much easier to get a small freezer and a few liters of the good stuff.
I was under the impression that the water extraction method produced usably high%nic though it was still dirty. It was low quality enough that the buying method was still preferable. You may be correct though.
Well, they (at this point) can't outlaw the hardware, The hardware is simply a coil, battery, switch and a container for fluids. it's the vape fluids that are under fire.'
Upside is all of the Fluid contents can be bought individually and mixed,... even raw Nic.
Upside is all of the Fluid contents can be bought individually and mixed,... even raw Nic.
I wish that were true but history has proven to us that there are many things they "can't" do, yet they've done. Possibilities, fortunately or unfortunately, are endless.
What I find interesting is HOW they are attacking and WHAT they are attacking. Anti-smoking advocates are more-or-less exactly in line WITH BIG TOBACCO there. They are attacking flavorings other than tobacco (which big tobaccco has been doing for a long time) and are NOT attacking disposables, which is a major revenue stream for big tobacco. And they are attacking mostly with sometimes very abusive ads that talk about problems that mostly exist only in pods and disposables as if they apply to all systems equally.
Attacking flavorings based on lack of testing is not exactly fake but it is extremely weak. It’s not that they’re known to be unsafe, they just aren’t specifically tested above 450°f. This COULD be done, it just hasn’t been. Flavors are also attacked on “tastiness”grounds which is silly. If they REALLY wanted to take them away from kids they would kill disposables, and maybe pods (it would depend on how makers would react to a disposable ban). The issue is cost. Disposables are relatively cheap, so confiscation isn’t a big deal. You lose maybe $20. If an rta/mod is confiscated more like $50 or more (sometimes much more) is lost. Flavorings are more or less a lost cause to ban. Disposables are not though. Yet they seem to have largely taken over the market. If disposables were attacked (and there are numerous reasons why they should be) it would be much more damaging for a vape to be confiscated by a teacher or some such. They are not though.
This is a major reason, I think, why such ads are not as effective as they could be. They are basically advertising FOR big tobacco. If they were not doing that they would talk about how nicotine vapes with no previous smoking is a road TO smoking, but they don’t. It’s all very suspicious. They attack things that big tobacco DOESN’T do, but not things it does. Even if those things are exactly what they are trying to prevent. They attack only the competition. The cigarette companies might as well be making those ads instead of just paying for them as per court order as a “punishment” that really isn’t one. Right now people think that Vaping is more dangerous than smoking where the opposite is actually true. The ads are a bit better than they were. I haven’t seen one that talks about the problems with glass wicks or overheated coils, as if all e-cigarettes do them (which they don’t) all of which have been known for many years and that only disposables ever have anymore. It’s still very pro cigarette company.
Attacking flavorings based on lack of testing is not exactly fake but it is extremely weak. It’s not that they’re known to be unsafe, they just aren’t specifically tested above 450°f. This COULD be done, it just hasn’t been. Flavors are also attacked on “tastiness”grounds which is silly. If they REALLY wanted to take them away from kids they would kill disposables, and maybe pods (it would depend on how makers would react to a disposable ban). The issue is cost. Disposables are relatively cheap, so confiscation isn’t a big deal. You lose maybe $20. If an rta/mod is confiscated more like $50 or more (sometimes much more) is lost. Flavorings are more or less a lost cause to ban. Disposables are not though. Yet they seem to have largely taken over the market. If disposables were attacked (and there are numerous reasons why they should be) it would be much more damaging for a vape to be confiscated by a teacher or some such. They are not though.
This is a major reason, I think, why such ads are not as effective as they could be. They are basically advertising FOR big tobacco. If they were not doing that they would talk about how nicotine vapes with no previous smoking is a road TO smoking, but they don’t. It’s all very suspicious. They attack things that big tobacco DOESN’T do, but not things it does. Even if those things are exactly what they are trying to prevent. They attack only the competition. The cigarette companies might as well be making those ads instead of just paying for them as per court order as a “punishment” that really isn’t one. Right now people think that Vaping is more dangerous than smoking where the opposite is actually true. The ads are a bit better than they were. I haven’t seen one that talks about the problems with glass wicks or overheated coils, as if all e-cigarettes do them (which they don’t) all of which have been known for many years and that only disposables ever have anymore. It’s still very pro cigarette company.
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