If Legislation were to happen How would it affect us....

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StrappedKaos

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Hello fellow Vapors,

So I have seen a large amount of people posting that they are stocking up on certain items incase of legislation, I am wondering if many are going at this right or all wrong?
As a "prepper" I constantly stock pile items most think is just plain insane, But I do it for my family and to cover what if's... Prime example is losing power for two weeks a couple years ago and thankful I was not helpless but blowing thru supplies helping family and neighbors, I found out what I needed and what I didn't....

So I am hoping this will help not only enlighten me but also others as to what could be a targeted item vs. a non targeted item. More of an open discussion as opposed to an end all be all on what we should be stocking up on.

I feel many of the items we need are not Ecig Related and wont be any more difficult to acquire than they are at the present time, Most of what we use was adopted to work with what we need because we needed to fill a need and we vapors are crafty and used what was available.

I would say that a couple of items are used for many other things and cant be brought into legislation since it is infact something we made work for ecigs but not actually designed for it.
Kanthal/Nichrome-Used for many things from hair dryers to industrial uses.
Silica/Ekowool/Cotton/Hemp/Mesh- All used for many other things that we have adapted to work with ecigs.
18350/18500/18650 Batteries- Although we are a big reason they are pushing higher Mah/C ratings they will always be around for many other reasons.
Flavoring For DYI- These are all based on food flavorings and can be sold as such so I cant see them going against these.
The main Ecigs and Attys are all something that cant be taxed for the most part, they could be sold as Flash Lights except the cigalikes and ego style since they are pretty one use items. A prime example is I can buy every part of a firearm to build a firearm that has zero legislation on it except for the receiver... The receiver is the part that is taxed and under legislation of course there are lines and it is not nearly the same thing as comparing it to ecigs. I can be buying a flashlight with a 510 connection so I can swap lamps on to it depending on my needs. Same goes for atty's, I am using it as a paper weight as with out eliquid or add-ons such as kanthal or wick it is nothing more that a paper weight. it sucks it could come to that but it honestly cannot be legislated unless sold as a tobacco device.

The only thing I see being affected by legislation is Nicotine, as such it would have a huge affect on juice companies but would only affect our ability to get pure and clean nicotine. nicotine can be acquired for other uses but most of what we have available to us now does have some safety/security involved. I would think this is all that most would need to stock up on, VG/PG all have many uses not related to ecigs....Nicotine is the main thing that can be linked to ecigs and put under legislation as I see it.

So it seems to me that the worst of this issue is going to be able to afford and get ahold of company made ejuice and not so much the tools needed to use it, This could in fact destroy some companies in the ejuice market. But nothing else unless sold as such could be taxed unfairly or put under legislation correct? Am I completely off base here or am I on point? PLease share your insight as to what you feel and what you think. :vapor:
 

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You mentioned guns, and there are some very real parallels worth mentioning.

Rewind to January of 2013. Everyone freaked out that "the ban" was coming. There was legislation proposed. It was all over the news. Gun owners were horrible people who were stinking up the place with child-enticing bubblygum vapor, and...well, you get the point.

Most of the population stockpiled crap. Often, they paid prices in excess of 400% for rifles, and 900% (I am not exaggerating) on magazines. They made snarky jokes about the President. They crowed about the Nazi UN Bigfoot Space Aliens. They spent inordinate amounts of time, money, and effort on this endeavor. Heaven knows they yelled at me about it constantly.

Meanwhile, a very, very small minority worked their butts off keeping "the ban" from happening. It wasn't cool or sexy, but they did the work. They got in touch with legislators, and they supported attorneys in bringing litigation. These weren't the hoarders who kept yelling at me. We couldn't get those people involved.

One group kept us safe. The other is sitting on a pile of crap they paid way too much for.
 

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There are a lot more gun owners than vapers and they have the NRA and firearm manufacturers with deep pockets. I appreciate everything CASAA is doing for us but I don't think their pockets are as deep as the NRA's. The vaping industry is new and dominated by "Mom and Pop" operations (unless you want to count BT who is not our friend). These businesses, even though they may have the abiltiy to win in court, do not have the resourses to take on this fight. The people they would be fighting have an unlimited source of our money. Anyone who thinks that politician do the right thing because that is what they are supposed to do has not been around as long as I have. I have seen locally where an election donation is all it takes to support your position.
 

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I appreciate and understand where everyone is coming from, I was speaking more in the terms of I keep reading people are stocking up on kanthal and vg/pg....Should anyone actually do that or should they only stock pile nicotine since that is the only thing I could see getting roped into legislation.

I do agree that it would be deadly to our local shops and to juice companies without a doubt.... I would doubt it would become something like silkroad over juice but it would effect the new and non-diy vapors. No doubt I have a gallon of nicotine I just keep stored in a deep freezer incase but besides that I dont actually keep anything stock piled since I would be able to get those items no matter what. My post was to helps others and to let them know that its great to be prepared but dont buy 10 gallons of vg thinking with legislation you magically wont be able to find vg anymore.

anyone have advice or thoughts about what to actually stockpile?
 

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It depends on what they legislate and how they legislate it.
And it depends on if people want or are able to build their own or make their own liquid.

Clearly, the number one priority is to stockpile nicotine base if you stockpile anything at all.
But I have 10 years worth of standard Joyetech 510 atomizers as well, because I don't want to build my own coils.
 
anyone have advice or thoughts about what to actually stockpile?

Nicotine, certainly. That would be the big prize for any legislation.

Mods, maybe. If nicotine becomes unavailable, I don't expect that hardware will be as available either.

As far as PG, VG, wick, and Kanthal go, no. All are used in other things and all will be available in the future, just as they were before vaping.
 

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Back to your point, the only thing I am stocking up on is the Nic. I'm not a "prepper" on anything else but if I can't get the supplies to continue making my own liquid then I will probably end up back on cigarettes. I don't want to do that. I think B&M stores will still exist but there products will be taxed at a rate that make cigarettes look cheap.
 

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So I am hoping that others will see this, I keep reading people stocking up on things besides nicotine and infact if you are on a limited budget the best thing to do is buy nicotine as almost everything else will still be available. ofcourse things will maybe not be made as much like mods and attys but for the most part if you have a mechanical and a rda/rba it could last a lifetime so one could be enough for us rebuilders. I just want people to understand what the true thing to stock up on is. ofcourse some will be selling that nicotine as if its gold once it happens but still wanna spread this info to save others from I guess wasting money when they should buy nicotine.
 

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What I did to prep
For the Mod
1. Invest in 3 solid reliable devices that are unlikely to break (2 REOs and a Provari). I also have a few other cheapo mechs.
2.Printed out instructions to build a puck mod (google it).

For the Topper
1. Invest in several RBA's and RDA's and learned how to build them
2. Picked up a couple of Divers to use in my carto tanks (rebuildable replacement for the carto)

For Juice
1. Learned to DIY
2. Have a small supply of Nic in my freezer

I am done. Everything else is multipurpose and they won't be able to cut off supply.
 

StrappedKaos

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Thanks Myrany, That should def. help others out from spending on un-needed Items. Another Question out of curiosity.....If they were to have legislation that affects vaping does anyone think that it may affect the warranty on certain Mods such as the Provari? I.E. if they were to ban it in the state that manufactures Provari do you think they would be able to stand behind the warranty even if they no longer are a company? I doubt it would come to that but just wondering, Which is why I have stock a couple mods that even without support I could fix and maintain. Again slightly off subject but an honest question, It def. plays into the plus of a reo since I have heard all parts could be had for it relatively easy.
 

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IF, when, and how much are the big three. You can't stockpile forever. Nicotine has a shelf life. Let's face it. Vaping could become a far less frugal endeavor and even approach an expense just like tobacco cigarettes. That is assuming it is not banned altogether. The World Health Organization favors a ban. The justification seems to be "Too hard to deal with".
 

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What I did to prep (for a zombie apocalypse)

For the Mod
Invest in some mods that are reasonably reliable but more importantly repairable with household items on your own. A warranty is only good if the company is still in business, some might be, don't rely on it. I've built a few "pucks", very good alternative. Simple Li-ion box mods are also a good option. Stockpile 510 battery connectors, learn how to rebuild them yourself.

For the Topper
Invest in simple RBA's and RDA's repairable with household items on your own. If you need a rebuild kit that's no longer available, it's not a bargain. Develop re-building techniques for "disposable" carto / atty toppers.

For Juice
Learn to DIY, stock concentrated nicotine in PG, it will last years in your freezer.
 
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