If e-cigs were banned, how would you...

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Cronus6

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We would just all do DIY and have vape meets to get homemade mods and trade flavors. Nic MIGHT become a pharmaceutical purchase with regulation like buying some of -phedrins for colds. Age or mg controllers. But they wont be able to ban or tax DIY. GV is sold in candy making for cake frosting, and VG is found at farm stores for cattle health(at 100% USP by the way). And flavorings and recipes abound.
So I am just not worried.
But thats just me. I'm stockpiling cartos. Just in case :)

First, the "-phedrins" are still legal and sold because they DO have a use, colds. Nic juice has one use. So I highly doubt they would go the same route they did with Ephedrine.

Second, I'd think you'll have little trouble DIYing. You will be taxed on unflavored nic juice though. Again, I'm betting they will tax per ml. It's the easiest way.

They will use the same tax model they do with cigarettes. Which is that the manufactures pay the FEDERAL tax before they even ship cigarettes (or tobacco in general) out to wholesalers. Of course wholesalers are charged this tax as part of the purchase price, and it rolls right on down to the consumer. The little stamp on the bottom of a pack is actually a STATE tax (and sometimes even county/city as well) which is done at the wholesale level.

And believe me they don't screw around with the government, they just pay. Because they (in the tobacco industry) are watched every step of the way, the government tracks how much raw materials you've purchased and they know (roughly) how many cigarettes you can make with that.

I doubt they will care about nic strength though, it will be a blanket tax.
 

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I would buy grow lights, grow my own tobacco and pm the little geniuses in the forums already working on extraction in case of a ban/high tax happens. They need to focus on their own addictions and leave mine alone. Alternatively, I would cozy up to a chemist and get the breakdown on making synthetic. I would participate in mass protests and little petitions. I would not roll over. Now I am all stressed out. Where's my pv?
 

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Cronus6, nicotine has many uses. Goggle it. Just one off hand is Colitis.
Just an FYI. No attitude meant to be conveyed.

And as an insecticide as well. But when was the last time you bought liquid nicotine in poly-glycol to kill bugs?

And as far as I'm aware vaporized liquid nicotine has never been tested with Colitis, IBD or Crohn's. They have only looked at cigarette smoke (again, as far as I'm aware) so no testing of chewing tobacco/snuff etc either. It could be a viable treatment, but I don't think any doctor is using it (vaporized nic I mean). But maybe they should!

Anyway, I agree with you that there are other uses, but I think that in the quantities we are talking about ... well it would be the equivalent of someone going up to the pharmacist and saying "gimme 3 cases of Ephedrine please....". People would know what you are doing with it.

Being that it's not used to create something as dangerous as methamphetamine I still don't think they will go THIS route with it.
Easier to tax the crap out of it.
 

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From one of the many Wikis

Therapeutic uses

The primary therapeutic use of nicotine is in treating nicotine dependence in order to eliminate smoking with the damage it does to health. Controlled levels of nicotine are given to patients through gums, dermal patches, lozenges, electronic/substitute cigarettes or nasal sprays in an effort to wean them off their dependence.
However, in a few situations, smoking has been observed to apparently be of therapeutic value. These are often referred to as "Smoker’s Paradoxes".[63] Although in most cases the actual mechanism is understood only poorly or not at all, it is generally believed that the principal beneficial action is due to the nicotine administered, and that administration of nicotine without smoking may be as beneficial as smoking, without the higher risk to health due to tar and other ingredients found in tobacco.
For instance, recent studies suggest that smokers require less frequent repeated revascularization after percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI).[63] Risk of ulcerative colitis has been frequently shown to be reduced by smokers on a dose-dependent basis; the effect is eliminated if the individual stops smoking.[64][65] Smoking also appears to interfere with development of Kaposi's sarcoma in patients with HIV,[2].[66]
Nicotine reduces the chance of breast cancer among women carrying the very high risk BRCA gene,[67] preeclampsia,[68] and atopic disorders such as allergic asthma.[69] A plausible mechanism of action in these cases may be nicotine acting as an anti-inflammatory agent, and interfering with the inflammation-related disease process, as nicotine has vasoconstrictive effects.[70]
Tobacco smoke has been shown to contain compounds capable of inhibiting MAO. Monoamine oxidase is responsible for the degradation of dopamine in the human brain. When dopamine is broken down by MAO-B, neurotoxic by-products are formed, possibly contributing to Parkinson's and Alzheimers disease.[71] Many such papers regarding Alzheimer's disease[72] and Parkinson's Disease[73] have been published. Recent studies find no beneficial link between smoking and Alzheimer's disease and in some cases, suggest it may actually result in an earlier onset of the disease.[74][75][76][77] However, nicotine has been shown to delay the onset of Parkinson's disease in studies involving monkeys and humans.[78][79][80]
Recent studies have indicated that nicotine can be used to help adults suffering from autosomal dominant nocturnal frontal lobe epilepsy. The same areas that cause seizures in that form of epilepsy are responsible for processing nicotine in the brain.[81]
Studies suggest a correlation between smoking and schizophrenia, with estimates near 75% for the proportion of schizophrenic patients who smoke. Although the nature of this association remains unclear, it was recently argued that the increased level of smoking in schizophrenia may be due to a desire to self-medicate with nicotine.[82][83] More recent research has found that mildly dependent users got some benefit from nicotine, but not those who were highly dependent.[84] All of these studies are based only on observation, and no interventional (randomized) studies have been done. Research on nicotine as administered through a patch or gum is ongoing.
Nicotine appears to improve ADHD symptoms. Some studies are focusing on benefits of nicotine therapy in adults with ADHD.[85]
Nicotine (in the form of chewing gum or a transdermal patch) is being explored as an experimental treatment for OCD. Small studies show some success, even in otherwise treatment-refractory cases.[86][87][88]
 

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I'm weaning myself off nicotine.
If I manage that I'm gong to stockpile cartos and vape flavored VG.
I'm more concerned about taxes than a total ban.

That's the way I'd go. Trouble is the attys, though. If I were to want to vape the rest of my life, and I were to stockpile attys for my remaining years, let's say that's the next 28 years (I'm 47), and let's say an atty lasts a month, then at roughly £1 per atty, I'd need to stockpile 336. That's a grand total of £336...actually, that's not bad - about the same price as smoking 10 regular cigs a day for fourteen weeks.

But wouldn't it be great if there was an atty out there which lasted longer than a month. Imagine one that lasted a year, or only six months even - that would be the promised land.
 

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You can get any illegal drug or whatever you want anywhere in the world I am pretty sure I would get my hands on some e-liquid or at least that's what I would hope for.

Yeah. A person can run through the streets in the buff and it's a fine of about $80. Getting caught while vaping in the buff would run you $160 :)

Don't ask how I know.
 
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