If not a Provari, then what?

[Melissa549]

If you couldn't buy a Provari, what would your second pick be?
I can't afford to get a Provari yet, so I was thinking of getting a "Could have been a Provari" device.

What I like about the Provari...
-Variable Voltage (usually in the 3.6-4.2 range for my vaping needs)
-Ohm reader (I want to start making my own coils, I like Protanks)
-Replaceable battery - I am ordering an MVP, but I think having a device where just the battery needs replacing instead of the whole device (should the battery no longer hold a charge) would be nice. Not to mention if "they" do start to tax e-cigs chances are batteries wont be included because they are used for many other devices.
-I also like that the Provari can be used as a Pass-through as I vape more at home then out and about.

I am not mech mod appropriate. I don't know the first thing about building a reliable, safe device so that is out of the question. I know my limitations and am willing to accept them.

"Thank You" in advance for all your help.

 

[p.opus]

To be honest I haven't run across anything that is an upgrade from an MVP to a ProVari.

An MVP 2 should last you at least a year. If you are worried about that, get another one and cycle between the two. I put mine on the charger once every 4 days. 2 days use, 2 days rest, charge.

That should last you long enough to save up for a ProVari class device (ProVari, Semovar, ZNA, Protovapor XPV, Hana Modz, etc.)

The mods in the 70 to 159 range IMHO just are not solid enough to to outlast an MVP.

Remember....The mod has to last longer than the battery and there are very few that have demonstrated that ability short of the ProVari and similarly priced mods. There's some people getting a year out of their Vamo's and Sigeleis, but not a whole lot. There are still V1 MVP's in the wild which is a good omen for the V2.

Odd's are with two MVP2's you can get probably 3 years minimum cycling between the two. At that point you could have saved up for a more sturdy device. Also after three years you can see what's out still out there alive and kicking.

 

[graffiti]

I'm kind of a noob myself, so somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Here's the thing. Provari does something very few if any other chips do: actually sets the voltage output. What that means is it isn't doing a on/off cycle to give you your set voltage. For example, let's say you have a 6V max Vamo or something. It ALWAYS produces 6v. If you set it to 3v, you're going to get 50% on, 50% off (or something similar) at a rate of 33.3hz to give you your power. A Provari actually sets it to 3v and produces a steady 3v output.

I've got several mods. I've got 5 mechs, a Vamo v5 and an eVic. I never use my regulated mods because because of the even power mechs give. I've got a DNA30 on it's way (the Vaporshark) because somebody over at Reddit called me out about hating on regulated mods having only tried cheap devices and it got me to thinking. I can't stand my vamo because I find it burns pretty much everything. The eVic is just a pain to use.

I say continue to save your pennies and buy a Provari or a DNA30 (if you can stand to wait for one) and skip the BS of cheap products that only sort-of work.

 

[KY_Rob]

I don't much more to offer that p.opus or graffiti, but I can attest to what they're saying. While I've not actually used a DNA30 device, I've read enough about them to form an opinion; I'll stick with my ProVari's because they're rock-solid rugged and perform excellently. If I happened to run across a worthwhile DNA30 mod, I'll likely pick it up for the novelty and experience, but I have serious doubts about whether it would ever displace my 'vari. Just my thoughts

 

[p.opus]

I'm kind of a noob myself, so somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Here's the thing. Provari does something very few if any other chips do: actually sets the voltage output. What that means is it isn't doing a on/off cycle to give you your set voltage. For example, let's say you have a 6V max Vamo or something. It ALWAYS produces 6v. If you set it to 3v, you're going to get 50% on, 50% off (or something similar) at a rate of 33.3hz to give you your power. A Provari actually sets it to 3v and produces a steady 3v output.

I've got several mods. I've got 5 mechs, a Vamo v5 and an eVic. I never use my regulated mods because because of the even power mechs give. I've got a DNA30 on it's way (the Vaporshark) because somebody over at Reddit called me out about hating on regulated mods having only tried cheap devices and it got me to thinking. I can't stand my vamo because I find it burns pretty much everything. The eVic is just a pain to use.

I say continue to save your pennies and buy a Provari or a DNA30 (if you can stand to wait for one) and skip the BS of cheap products that only sort-of work.

you're kinda wrong.....

What you are talking about is pulse width modulation and almost every mod uses it to increase the available voltage from a LiIon cell.

The difference between the ProVari and others (like Vamo) is how fast the PWM is, and if there is any filtering on the output.

The ProVari runs 800hz Pulse Width Modulation. because this is so fast, it makes it very easy and cost effective to put an output filter on the end to generate a non-plulsed output.

The Vamo runs 33.3hz Pulse Width Modulation. This is rather slow, you can actually "hear it" on some atty's. People refer to it as "rattlesnaking". Because it is so slow, the cost of the components required to filter it, are prohibitive, so these devices usually deliver unfilterd pulsed DC to the head.

An MVP also appears to use high speed PWM and filters its output as well. The DNA 20's and 30's don't appear to use PWM's as their circuitry does not allow any regulation below the actual output voltage of the battery. Something more than easy to do with PWM.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

So, can someone answer the original question?

 

[p.opus]

So, can someone answer the original question?

I'm sorry, I thought I did...I'd continue to buy MVP's until I can save up for a ProVari class device....

I have yet to find something in the 70 to 160 range that I expect to last and last, which is one of the primary goals of the OP.

 

[r77r7r]

There is a New Lavatube 2.5 out now also............

 

[KjAthena]

I use these at home and in the car...less than $5 add a 6 foot extension and adapters for less than $5 more and they work great VV can use any clearo.

 

[TheAmazingDave]

I'm saving to buy new heads for my VW, so that ruled out a ProVari for now.

Very happy with my VTR. And now I'm in love with box mods.

 

[zanedog]

you're kinda wrong.....

What you are talking about is pulse width modulation and almost every mod uses it to increase the available voltage from a LiIon cell.

The difference between the ProVari and others (like Vamo) is how fast the PWM is, and if there is any filtering on the output.

The ProVari runs 800hz Pulse Width Modulation. because this is so fast, it makes it very easy and cost effective to put an output filter on the end to generate a non-plulsed output.

The Vamo runs 33.3hz Pulse Width Modulation. This is rather slow, you can actually "hear it" on some atty's. People refer to it as "rattlesnaking". Because it is so slow, the cost of the components required to filter it, are prohibitive, so these devices usually deliver unfilterd pulsed DC to the head.

An MVP also appears to use high speed PWM and filters its output as well. The DNA 20's and 30's don't appear to use PWM's as their circuitry does not allow any regulation below the actual output voltage of the battery. Something more than easy to do with PWM.

You are kinda wrong too, but your explantion is good enough

 

[zanedog]

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[zanedog]

I'm saving to buy new heads for my VW, so that ruled out a ProVari for now.

Very happy with my VTR. And now I'm in love with box mods.

A good box makes them easy to fall in love with

 

[graffiti]

You are kinda wrong too, but your explantion is good enough

Can you explain further? I'd like to understand exactly how they work.

 

[zanedog]

Can you explain further? I'd like to understand exactly how they work.

A steo up can be a dc to dc device. Other than that, there s nothing wrong there.

 

[KjAthena]

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That is a simple fast tech VV passtru topped at this time with a PT mini...they are cheap(under $5) reliable easy to use and this one is over 8 months old. I bought a few USB extensions and a car adapter from ebay and was set to go. Plug one in to the charger from my ego kit next to my chair...have another adapter in the car...and another plugged in my computer....for under $30 most of my vapeing is handled. I like the one in the car best as it cant fall off my lap and go rolling away and it sits fine in the cup holder...easy to unplug and carry as well

 

[Rossum]

An MVP also appears to use high speed PWM and filters its output as well. The DNA 20's and 30's don't appear to use PWM's as their circuitry does not allow any regulation below the actual output voltage of the battery. Something more than easy to do with PWM.

The only way to change DC voltage, either up or down, is to "chop" it into something resembling AC first, so the DNAs also use "PWM" (and we're using the term loosely here).

Now to get back on topic: From a purely pragmatic standpoint, I agree, there isn't really anything short of a Provari or DNA mod that makes more sense than an MVP, but Innokin really needs to think about a V3 that can produce 15 watts or more; the current 11 watts is kinda marginal for serious toppers.

 

[Crunchy2k]

That is a simple fast tech VV passtru topped at this time with a PT mini...they are cheap(under $5) reliable easy to use and this one is over 8 months old. I bought a few USB extensions and a car adapter from ebay and was set to go. Plug one in to the charger from my ego kit next to my chair...have another adapter in the car...and another plugged in my computer....for under $30 most of my vapeing is handled. I like the one in the car best as it cant fall off my lap and go rolling away and it sits fine in the cup holder...easy to unplug and carry as well

And if you plug one into a MVP, you can share your vaping or just vape two handed.

 

[p.opus]

There is a New Lavatube 2.5 out now also............

Actually those do look compelling. The year warranty sets them apart from most other Chinese Products out there. They are aluminum so they will be significantly lighter.

Looks like an interesting choice. Not a whole lot out there on the 2.5. Don't know why. Everyone flocks around Sigelei's Vamo's and Innokins, but the Lavatubes...not so much. Wonder what the ambivalence is all about.

 

[zanedog]

The only way to change DC voltage, either up or down, is to "chop" it into something resembling AC first, so the DNAs also use "PWM" (and we're using the term loosely here).

Now to get back on topic: From a purely pragmatic standpoint, I agree, there isn't really anything short of a Provari or DNA mod that makes more sense than an MVP, but Innokin really needs to think about a V3 that can produce 15 watts or more; the current 11 watts is kinda marginal for serious toppers.

Well then the post was totally right