If not a Provari, then what?

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Yes and no; we're actually using a number of these terms rather loosely. But putting all that aside, what matters is whether the output of the looks like a relatively flat line on a scope (relatively clean DC), or whether it looks all chopped up, especially if that chopping happens at a low enough frequency to make it noticeable to the user when he's vaping. The Provari, dna mods, and the MVP (and even the VV) all produce reasonably flat DC (despite the fact that there's "PWM" going on inside of them somewhere). Many of the other cheap VV/VW devices produce "chopped" DC, with many (but not all) using a 33.3 Hz PWM frequency to control their output voltage.
 

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If you couldn't buy a Provari, what would your second pick be?
I can't afford to get a Provari yet, so I was thinking of getting a "Could have been a Provari" device.

What I like about the Provari...
-Variable Voltage (usually in the 3.6-4.2 range for my vaping needs)
-Ohm reader (I want to start making my own coils, I like Protanks)
-Replaceable battery - I am ordering an MVP, but I think having a device where just the battery needs replacing instead of the whole device (should the battery no longer hold a charge) would be nice. Not to mention if "they" do start to tax e-cigs chances are batteries wont be included because they are used for many other devices.
-I also like that the Provari can be used as a Pass-through as I vape more at home then out and about.

I am not mech mod appropriate. I don't know the first thing about building a reliable, safe device so that is out of the question. I know my limitations and am willing to accept them.

"Thank You" in advance for all your help.
Honestly, the MVP you ordered will be a good ProVari substitute. I couldn't afford a new ProVari at the time I got mine, so I bought a used ProVari from the ECF classifieds.
 

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Yes and no; we're actually using a number of these terms rather loosely. But putting all that aside, what matters is whether the output of the looks like a relatively flat line on a scope (relatively clean DC), or whether it looks all chopped up, especially if that chopping happens at a low enough frequency to make it noticeable to the user when he's vaping. The Provari, DNA mods, and the MVP (and even the VV) all produce reasonably flat DC (despite the fact that there's "PWM" going on inside of them somewhere). Many of the other cheap VV/VW devices produce "chopped" DC, with many (but not all) using a 33.3 Hz PWM frequency to control their output voltage.

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http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/variable-voltage-apv-discussion/488840-rattlesnake-effect-why-cheapo-vv-exception-itaste-mvp-dont-vape-same-provari-dna20d.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/381232-provari-oscope-vs-vamo.html
 

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If you couldn't buy a Provari, what would your second pick be?
I can't afford to get a Provari yet, so I was thinking of getting a "Could have been a Provari" device.

What I like about the Provari...
-Variable Voltage (usually in the 3.6-4.2 range for my vaping needs)
-Ohm reader (I want to start making my own coils, I like Protanks)
-Replaceable battery - I am ordering an MVP, but I think having a device where just the battery needs replacing instead of the whole device (should the battery no longer hold a charge) would be nice. Not to mention if "they" do start to tax e-cigs chances are batteries wont be included because they are used for many other devices.
-I also like that the Provari can be used as a Pass-through as I vape more at home then out and about.

I am not mech mod appropriate. I don't know the first thing about building a reliable, safe device so that is out of the question. I know my limitations and am willing to accept them.

"Thank You" in advance for all your help.

My other "go to" mod is a Reo, but it doesn't meet your criteria and the price is up there as well. Of my less expensive mods my favorite is the Bobo. It's essentially a Sigelei Zmax (version 2, I believe) in a limited edition body. I have never tried a "regular" Zmax, but the Bobo uses the same chip and OLED screen and if it's any indication of the quality in the standard edition I would be very impressed. As it is, the solid feel, and ease of use blows my Vamo out of the water.

The Sigelei Zmax is available as a telescopic and has three size configurations, but if size isn't important to you (it's not to me, most of my mods are small) Sigelei makes a mini Zmax in pretty colors.
 

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At 6 volts, VTR output is flat. With a 2.4Ω coil, I get my 15 watts.

Any mod that uses PWM has a flat voltage signal when it's adjusted to the top of it's scale.

Only devices like a Sigelei or Vamo using stacked 18350's show PWM when you adjust it to top of scale.

Of course it should go without saying that the closer you are to the upper voltage setting of a device, the less noticable the PWM is, because the device is staying on for longer and longer portions of the duty cycle.
 

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Any mod that uses PWM has a flat voltage signal when it's adjusted to the top of it's scale.

Only devices like a Sigelei or Vamo using stacked 18350's show PWM when you adjust it to top of scale.

I was under that impression as well; so why all the hubbub about flat signal? Set your mod to max, and use your coil to compensate. Right?

edit: I only use the VTR as an example everywhere because it's the only mod I have so far.
 
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I was under that impression as well; so why all the hubbub about flat signal? Set your mod to max, and use your coil to compensate. Right?

edit: I only use the VTR as an example everywhere because it's the only mod I have so far.

Kinda defeats the point of having a variable voltage or variable wattage mod now, doesn't it..... :D
 

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Any mod that uses PWM has a flat voltage signal when it's adjusted to the top of it's scale.

Only devices like a Sigelei or Vamo using stacked 18350's show PWM when you adjust it to top of scale.

Of course it should go without saying that the closer you are to the upper voltage setting of a device, the less noticable the PWM is, because the device is staying on for longer and longer portions of the duty cycle.
So, if you used higher resistance toppers, the duty cycles would be longer for any given wattage (greater voltage). So is it safe to say that the rattlesnake effect would be less?
 
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So, if you used lower resistance toppers, the duty cycles would be longer for any given wattage (greater voltage). So is it safe to say that the rattlesnake effect would be less?
Other way around, use a high resistance topper so you can crank the voltage up to maximum without exceeding the amp limit of the device.
 

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Thinking of the flat line on the O-scope, I take it that the Provari, MVP2, DNA are the most consistent DC power flow. Anyone run across any others?

The new segelei 20w
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