if you are wondering why Greece is always going down (Achilles)
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lol, we all understand the reasons Stelios.
Anyway, I see some friends here are wondering why I didnt finally made Achilles. I already explain the reasons. And because I dont want to just take the money from my customers by making something useless, I will explain a little more
Its a small construction and makes the customer feel uncomfortable on making a coil. Constructions like this have no meaning. They had a meaning when we were playing with tanks and trυying to make thin atomizers to make them fit there. But after Penelope that is thinner than a tank, what is the meaning of small and difficult for the customer constructions? I just cant see a serious reason for Achilles.
If I make Achilles, you will pay me a lot of money and you will have something almost useless on your hands. Thats my humble opinion.
If you want to buy something that will untie your hands, try new Penelope. Big room for coil, no leakage, full featured. And its thinner than any tank out there but it takes 4ml of liquid.
Anyway, I see some friends here are wondering why I didnt finally made Achilles. I already explain the reasons. And because I dont want to just take the money from my customers by making something useless, I will explain a little more
Its a small construction and makes the customer feel uncomfortable on making a coil. Constructions like this have no meaning. They had a meaning when we were playing with tanks and trυying to make thin atomizers to make them fit there. But after Penelope that is thinner than a tank, what is the meaning of small and difficult for the customer constructions? I just cant see a serious reason for Achilles.
If I make Achilles, you will pay me a lot of money and you will have something almost useless on your hands. Thats my humble opinion.
If you want to buy something that will untie your hands, try new Penelope. Big room for coil, no leakage, full featured. And its thinner than any tank out there but it takes 4ml of liquid.
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Imeo: What will be the outer diameter of the new Penelope ?? Still 17mm or thinner ?
17 mm zanza,, to meet proteus diameter. A fatter atomizer isnt good on eye in general (if we think thin) and thinner will not take enough liquid. 17mm is the perfect diameter
I believe Imeo had a very good reason in not making Achilles and frankly I appreciate his honesty. Lets not forget that he designed it, he paid quite a lot making prototypes for testing, he ordered new ceramics which he re-designed also at considerable cost and came to the realization after testing that this project isn't up to GG standards. Remember that these things are very much trial and error. So he canned the whole project and wrote off all the associated costs.
He could have taken the route others take and market an inferior product and make a nice profit yet he chose to loose money in order not to make a product he wouldn't be happy with.
I for one admire Imeo's honesty and dedication to excellence.
He could have taken the route others take and market an inferior product and make a nice profit yet he chose to loose money in order not to make a product he wouldn't be happy with.
I for one admire Imeo's honesty and dedication to excellence.
Exactly my thoughts captain. Tanks and small atomizers inside them are old news. Tanks are for people that use China atomizers and want a very easy solution for vaping. I first made the tank system 4 years ago and it was very good those days. But after Ody-Ithaka and especially Penelope that is thinner than a tank and still takes 4 ml of liquid and has all the needed features and more, we still use tanks?
Tanks are for beginers or for people that want to vape without any hassle. So putting inside a tank a thin atomizer and difficult to build it, whats the meaning of that?
Tanks are for beginers or for people that want to vape without any hassle. So putting inside a tank a thin atomizer and difficult to build it, whats the meaning of that?
Its the new and improved Penelope for me! It will work nice on my justGG until Proteus arrives! Imeo knows what's best for his GG family!
Disclaimer: I love tanks. I also love Spheroids, and my Ithaka. I look forward to the new Penelope for my smaller mods. I like simple and I like complicated setups. I've taken metal drills and blowtorches to attys to see if I can improve them.
I hate cartos, they all taste burnt to me, so I for one will remain a rebuildable user with my tanks.
Having said all this, the fact that this happened this way is utterly silly. Once you had decided to not make the Achilles, I can imagine a simple scenario where the person making the copy could have contacted you, asked if it was OK to produce an Achilles-like product since you were not going to do so, give credit to you, and everyone is happy.
Sad, because I saw that video before I saw this post, and was not familiar with Achilles. I would have picked up this new device to try it out, but now I refuse to, as it is pretty certain this was essentially stolen tech. I know you have given permission to other mod makers to use your ideas in their mods, so this is definitely not without precedent for someone to use your ideas with permission.
Simple manners, ethics and some diplomacy would have avoided this. Pity, because I'm betting the device will actually work pretty well.
I hate cartos, they all taste burnt to me, so I for one will remain a rebuildable user with my tanks.
Having said all this, the fact that this happened this way is utterly silly. Once you had decided to not make the Achilles, I can imagine a simple scenario where the person making the copy could have contacted you, asked if it was OK to produce an Achilles-like product since you were not going to do so, give credit to you, and everyone is happy.
Sad, because I saw that video before I saw this post, and was not familiar with Achilles. I would have picked up this new device to try it out, but now I refuse to, as it is pretty certain this was essentially stolen tech. I know you have given permission to other mod makers to use your ideas in their mods, so this is definitely not without precedent for someone to use your ideas with permission.
Simple manners, ethics and some diplomacy would have avoided this. Pity, because I'm betting the device will actually work pretty well.
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I already said my opinion about tanks kata, they are demode. Αlso be sure that solutions like Achilles doesnt work as the tankatomizers like Ithaka. In fact there is no comparison at all.
Thank you for not supporting people that are not worth it and be sure that I rejected Achilles because of something better like new Penelope.
Thank you for not supporting people that are not worth it and be sure that I rejected Achilles because of something better like new Penelope.
This is the right decision Imeo.
I would never ever go back to tanks, after having Ithaka and Penelope. No way! Therefore again, I think you did the right thing.
For beginners, tank + Achilles (or whatever they call it...) should be fine. But once you are over this phase, no, thanks. For me.
I would never ever go back to tanks, after having Ithaka and Penelope. No way! Therefore again, I think you did the right thing.
For beginners, tank + Achilles (or whatever they call it...) should be fine. But once you are over this phase, no, thanks. For me.
Good move imeo. Although I was super excited to use my 2 ufs's but come to think about it maybe you are right. Why use Achilles inside ufs if you have Ithaka. I didn't think Achilles should be used in a tank anyway. People who use tanks are either beginners or obsessed with cartomizers. I can understand sometimes a cartomizer or an atomizer gives better flavor but in no way it can match the package of vapor throat hit flavor and warmth of Vape that big atomizers like Ithaka can deliver.
You have to understand, some people I know and will tell you they are using just regular atomizers and cartomizers and nothing for them matches the flavor. But with time, people understand the techniques behing every kind of vaping and that you can match everything you want with gg atomizers with the proper technique. And for those still insisting i say buy a UFS and keep on vaping those little atomizers with the benefit of air control and juice control and great style. You don't need Achilles and imeo is most respectable for not taking our money for nothing.
Although imeo thinks he is producing upgrades, I still believe every atomizer he made has a special notes to it. Iatty, Ody, Penelope, Ithaka and UFS. Each one gives me a different experience and I wouldn't trade any.
You have to understand, some people I know and will tell you they are using just regular atomizers and cartomizers and nothing for them matches the flavor. But with time, people understand the techniques behing every kind of vaping and that you can match everything you want with gg atomizers with the proper technique. And for those still insisting i say buy a UFS and keep on vaping those little atomizers with the benefit of air control and juice control and great style. You don't need Achilles and imeo is most respectable for not taking our money for nothing.
Although imeo thinks he is producing upgrades, I still believe every atomizer he made has a special notes to it. Iatty, Ody, Penelope, Ithaka and UFS. Each one gives me a different experience and I wouldn't trade any.
I'm glad you have abandoned Achilles to concentrate on the new Penelope. I love my Penelopes (I have three!) and it's hard to imagine how you can improve on them, but my Ithaka shows that improvements CAN be made, so I'm eagerly awaiting the new Penelopes!
I hope I can afford to get a JustGG when COV gets them, or another GG Stealth when you make those again, but as I've mentioned to you before, I choose to spend what little money I have on your atomizers, since they are what makes the vapor!
I hope I can afford to get a JustGG when COV gets them, or another GG Stealth when you make those again, but as I've mentioned to you before, I choose to spend what little money I have on your atomizers, since they are what makes the vapor!
You hit the nail on the head. I like flavor, as does anybody, but I'm not a big fan of throat hit or warmth. My throat is too sensitive to take heavy throat hit, and I prefer a cooler vape with many of my juices. This is why I have different devices for different juice types.
Just to clarify: I was not questioning your opinion or your decisions.
In fact, I knew of the Achilles, although I hadn't seen the videos or read details, and it confused me a bit. It just didn't seem to make sense to me that you would be releasing Ithaka, and working on upgrades to Penelope, yet were putting effort into old-school tank inserts. I didn't even bother to research the Achilles to get details, since I assumed you were creating it as a favor for your loyal long-term customers who owned the UFS, to have something GG to put in it.
Shooting an arrow into Achilles' heel makes perfect sense.
In fact, I knew of the Achilles, although I hadn't seen the videos or read details, and it confused me a bit. It just didn't seem to make sense to me that you would be releasing Ithaka, and working on upgrades to Penelope, yet were putting effort into old-school tank inserts. I didn't even bother to research the Achilles to get details, since I assumed you were creating it as a favor for your loyal long-term customers who owned the UFS, to have something GG to put in it.
Shooting an arrow into Achilles' heel makes perfect sense.
I had this in my start on Rba not long ago.
and thats befor I discover this forum and the knowledge I gain here.
I throw it a way,this was not practical for beginers nor for veteran,its not easy to built and edjust liquid control,
I did built it no problem yet
Its a not fun to work with device.
Somthing they succceed to hide in there review.
Only after you working with it you discover it's a pain in the .... ( sorry) to work with.
There are better clearos out there for those who dont work goods with hands or dont want hassle at all.
Imeo understood that this patent is not up to GG standarts as he mark them high and move a way from the idea.
I must say I'm got very respect for him on that as he could make tausands of this and sold them no problem
yet he dismissed it and guard is fellow vapers.
Very galant.
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Ok. I have to respectfully disagree.
There were in fact uses for the small atomizer. Many many people had high hopes of obtaining an Achillies for their UFS, their phiniac tanks, their Kir fanis tanks, etc. I've read on a few occasions that people who couldn't afford a $200 rebuildable atomizer, were excited to get a GG creation in the Achillies for these very reasons.
Another thing is that it is no more complicated to build than the ceramic of the iAtty. I purchased a Greek made rebuildable small atomizer and it does have its place in my vaping arsenal. In fact, one juice I can't really take vaping because it tastes awful in everything, including the ithaka, tastes great in this small atomizer.
Of course, it's your choice not to produce something. It is also probably a very good idea to not show videos of your test products so the cannot be copied from video. Sending samples was probably not the best move. But I know for a fact that there were people extremely excited to obtain this. I was one. I had three tanks that were custom made and was debating the Achillies to make use of them again since I don't vape cartos.
I'm sorry. But I know I'm speaking for several. Some won't admit it but they were or are let down that it's not going to be made.
As I said. My opinion.
There were in fact uses for the small atomizer. Many many people had high hopes of obtaining an Achillies for their UFS, their phiniac tanks, their Kir fanis tanks, etc. I've read on a few occasions that people who couldn't afford a $200 rebuildable atomizer, were excited to get a GG creation in the Achillies for these very reasons.
Another thing is that it is no more complicated to build than the ceramic of the iAtty. I purchased a Greek made rebuildable small atomizer and it does have its place in my vaping arsenal. In fact, one juice I can't really take vaping because it tastes awful in everything, including the ithaka, tastes great in this small atomizer.
Of course, it's your choice not to produce something. It is also probably a very good idea to not show videos of your test products so the cannot be copied from video. Sending samples was probably not the best move. But I know for a fact that there were people extremely excited to obtain this. I was one. I had three tanks that were custom made and was debating the Achillies to make use of them again since I don't vape cartos.
I'm sorry. But I know I'm speaking for several. Some won't admit it but they were or are let down that it's not going to be made.
As I said. My opinion.
You are right on the UFS but that is only if you allready got one.
In other carto tank the edjastebility was not fine to be made I dont know about Kir Fenis
But on GP S&P or on the GT tank it was like that.
I was also refering one version wider on the battom,there is other one.
The thing is that if you have a UFS ( wish I had ) there are 510 attys on shelf that will work
Good on that as it was made for them.
But if going to purchass an UFS for this Achiles then you come too close to Ithaka or Oddy Penel' value
And they more feature proof', but that only what it look to me after I had those.
I did not like them in carto tank and they good for dripping but I think a UFS with HH357 was better alternative
For me,as no coil I made or changed keep time and taste as HH357 on those kind.
It may be my built qulity probably but thats how it was for me.
Ithaka on the first full thank give me the taste I get from them but with less hassle.
I hope one day I'll be able to have one of those UFS for my HH357's as I dont like dripping.
That was s my expiriance,evryone is free to try for themselfs.
In other carto tank the edjastebility was not fine to be made I dont know about Kir Fenis
But on GP S&P or on the GT tank it was like that.
I was also refering one version wider on the battom,there is other one.
The thing is that if you have a UFS ( wish I had
) there are 510 attys on shelf that will workGood on that as it was made for them.
But if going to purchass an UFS for this Achiles then you come too close to Ithaka or Oddy Penel' value
And they more feature proof', but that only what it look to me after I had those.
I did not like them in carto tank and they good for dripping but I think a UFS with HH357 was better alternative
For me,as no coil I made or changed keep time and taste as HH357 on those kind.
It may be my built qulity probably but thats how it was for me.
Ithaka on the first full thank give me the taste I get from them but with less hassle.
I hope one day I'll be able to have one of those UFS for my HH357's as I dont like dripping.
That was s my expiriance,evryone is free to try for themselfs.
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be sure that I totally understand you Yankee.
GG series was never made for people that had no money, it was always an expensive construction because I always paid attention to the construction and not to its cost. And when other modders decided to follow my path on mechanical devices, then you saw how high the prices went. But even if constructions became better, they still miss some serious points like shined contacts for example. They just put center posts on their devices unshined because they get bored to shine them or because they dont want to spend money to make a quality mod. Others make threads like they made them by their nails, others dont pay attention to the finish of the edjes of the tube, others dont pay attention to the llok of cuts for air, etc.
I was the one that said in first place that I wanted to make an inexpensive GG construction for all people, even those that had not much money. But while I was making Achilles, more ideas came to my mind and Achilles became expensive again. Achilles would be sold at 90 euros, just like Ody and it still would miss a tank, when Ody had its tank already. And you will see why Achilles was expensive when you will see Penelope. They are the same but Penelope is fatter but with its own tank.
So there are not inexpensive GG constructions because its not my style. I make full featured constructions and they cant be made cheap, its impossible.
Iatty was not easy to make a coil on it if you remember. People were complaining about the size of the ceramic all the time but they liked it because of its incredible taste. And thats why they all became so happy when Ody came to market. Because of its big room to make a coil.
I know that many people let down because I will not make Achilles, but be sure that I did it to just give them something even better.
I am sure that jojo isnt very happy too with my decision but I always have good reasons to not make something. One of them is that I dont want to make my customers's lifes difficult by forcing them to buy something that its not practical. Maybe you can make a coil very easy on those tiny ceramics because you vape for a long time but others need something that can be builded really easy. Thats Ithaka and Penelope.
Why do we need an atomizer with a tiny room to work when we can have something with 50% more space and its parts are made exactly for it, so it will work much better than something that we try to fit it on third party tanks?
GG series was never made for people that had no money, it was always an expensive construction because I always paid attention to the construction and not to its cost. And when other modders decided to follow my path on mechanical devices, then you saw how high the prices went. But even if constructions became better, they still miss some serious points like shined contacts for example. They just put center posts on their devices unshined because they get bored to shine them or because they dont want to spend money to make a quality mod. Others make threads like they made them by their nails, others dont pay attention to the finish of the edjes of the tube, others dont pay attention to the llok of cuts for air, etc.
I was the one that said in first place that I wanted to make an inexpensive GG construction for all people, even those that had not much money. But while I was making Achilles, more ideas came to my mind and Achilles became expensive again. Achilles would be sold at 90 euros, just like Ody and it still would miss a tank, when Ody had its tank already. And you will see why Achilles was expensive when you will see Penelope. They are the same but Penelope is fatter but with its own tank.
So there are not inexpensive GG constructions because its not my style. I make full featured constructions and they cant be made cheap, its impossible.
Iatty was not easy to make a coil on it if you remember. People were complaining about the size of the ceramic all the time but they liked it because of its incredible taste. And thats why they all became so happy when Ody came to market. Because of its big room to make a coil.
I know that many people let down because I will not make Achilles, but be sure that I did it to just give them something even better.
I am sure that jojo isnt very happy too with my decision but I always have good reasons to not make something. One of them is that I dont want to make my customers's lifes difficult by forcing them to buy something that its not practical. Maybe you can make a coil very easy on those tiny ceramics because you vape for a long time but others need something that can be builded really easy. Thats Ithaka and Penelope.
Why do we need an atomizer with a tiny room to work when we can have something with 50% more space and its parts are made exactly for it, so it will work much better than something that we try to fit it on third party tanks?
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I certainly don't want to hash this over and over. As I said, it's your choice. I will say this. If you provide fish for a tank, is it ok for us to use our own tank? You can sell goldfish or exotic fish, but sometimes you don't want to force someone to use your tank only because we have custom built our own tank. (As a side note, I see that Leo has been making some kind of rebuildable since 2012). Did he copy you with his latest? I won't say because I can't be 100% sure.
But since you asked why someone would want possibly want smaller, even if it's paying the same price? THIS is why..... Someone might just have something custom designed and just sitting without use.
But since you asked why someone would want possibly want smaller, even if it's paying the same price? THIS is why..... Someone might just have something custom designed and just sitting without use.
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If its about making it easier for your customers then why not get rid of the of the resistance/ no resistance wire.
It takes me 10 minutes to setup my ithaka, it only takes me 2 minutes to setup my kayfun.
Also setting up a diver only takes a couple of minutes and the setup on the Achilles/Sofia seems easier.
Didnt Leo come up with the Killer 705 before you came up with Achilles and doesnt Sofia seem like the natural evolution for the killer ?
Did you actually give Leo a prototype or did you give it to someone else that then gave it to Leo.
I still use my drippers and if tanks are a thing of the past then I guess dripping must be the stone ages.
It takes me 10 minutes to setup my ithaka, it only takes me 2 minutes to setup my kayfun.
Also setting up a diver only takes a couple of minutes and the setup on the Achilles/Sofia seems easier.
Didnt Leo come up with the Killer 705 before you came up with Achilles and doesnt Sofia seem like the natural evolution for the killer ?
Did you actually give Leo a prototype or did you give it to someone else that then gave it to Leo.
I still use my drippers and if tanks are a thing of the past then I guess dripping must be the stone ages.
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