if you are wondering why Greece is always going down (Achilles)

[Jojobo]

This is funny...Seeing Yankee said you brought me into this convo, so okay Imeo, I guess I will give my two cents. I have stayed out of the forum because there is just too much Bull shiza that has been thrown around that I just don't have the time nor the inclination to deal with it. I used to have a lot of respect for specific modders but as of late, I have had a change of heart in that area. There is an air that is not pleasing to me in the forum much anymore. There is a lack of respect for people who participate in discussions that have a difference of opinions. There is EGO that is just too much testosterone for my liking...so I have chosen to abandon the forum.

The mere fact that you can disregard the everyday vaper is enough for me. The fact that you won't or maybe can't make a product of quality at a lesser price so the average consumer can afford a GG product is enough. It must be nice to not need the average consumer.

The funny thing is, you say it is because you won't skimp on quality.

Well, okay so you won't skimp on quality, well answer this then, after I complained (and I think Sedge too) about the premade wires changing over a year ago and have spent over 400 bucks in wires between COV and Greek Seller, it NOW comes out that they are sourced from China. So after paying a dollar a piece for them, thinking that they are handmade by the greeks themselves only to find out they are the same china made that I can buy for 4 cents per wire. BIG difference. So where is the quality and the concern for the consumer?

Am I disappointed? I am disappointed for more reason than just the achilles.

You say you want to satisfy every vaper but I guess that only includes those that are wealthy enough to buy the GG product in the first place. I guess those that own the UFS already will have to continue to purchase the "OTHER" atomizer.

 

[snork]

I was looking forward to a small rebuildable 510 atomizer of similar dimensions to a standard Chinese disposable, for dripping. I just like the way a 510 looks on my devices. I never paid too much attention to whether Achilles was to have been a tank-only atomizer (it appears it was) but the concept of an Achilles for dripping interested me very much.

 

[RiverNut]

dripping, bottom feeders, and personalized tanks. The sales of Killer and Diver have proven that. And this new one looks much improved, it's a shame you didn't bring it to market if it's your design Imeo. No doubt there will be plenty of buyers.

 

[Aal_]

Ok. I have to respectfully disagree.

There were in fact uses for the small atomizer. Many many people had high hopes of obtaining an Achillies for their UFS, their phiniac tanks, their Kir fanis tanks, etc. I've read on a few occasions that people who couldn't afford a $200 rebuildable atomizer, were excited to get a GG creation in the Achillies for these very reasons.

Another thing is that it is no more complicated to build than the ceramic of the iAtty. I purchased a Greek made rebuildable small atomizer and it does have its place in my vaping arsenal. In fact, one juice I can't really take vaping because it tastes awful in everything, including the ithaka, tastes great in this small atomizer.

Of course, it's your choice not to produce something. It is also probably a very good idea to not show videos of your test products so the cannot be copied from video. Sending samples was probably not the best move. But I know for a fact that there were people extremely excited to obtain this. I was one. I had three tanks that were custom made and was debating the Achillies to make use of them again since I don't vape cartos.

I'm sorry. But I know I'm speaking for several. Some won't admit it but they were or are let down that it's not going to be made.

As I said. My opinion.

you are right as well yankee. You make good points. Mixed feelings!! I don't know if i want to be sad for not having Achilles, or be happy I didn't spend money on something that doesn't add anything.

 

[imeothanasis]

I still see your point Yankee. I still think that Achilles would have a place in your vaping gear. But tabks are really old news for me and for many people. Tanks is like we drive an old volkswagen in the age of ferrari. Tanks were useful when we couldnt think of something else to feed an atomizer. Now its useless to my opinion.

GG is all about progress and innovation, so I really cant make something that takes us back. I am sure that people that still like tanks already have choices. I just refuse to make something that already exists and as you know I work like this for many years now.

I dont like to see my people dissapointed but sometimes I cant avoid that.

I certainly don't want to hash this over and over. As I said, it's your choice. I will say this. If you provide fish for a tank, is it ok for us to use our own tank? You can sell goldfish or exotic fish, but sometimes you don't want to force someone to use your tank only because we have custom built our own tank. (As a side note, I see that Leo has been making some kind of rebuildable since 2012). Did he copy you with his latest? I won't say because I can't be 100% sure.

But since you asked why someone would want possibly want smaller, even if it's paying the same price? THIS is why..... Someone might just have something custom designed and just sitting without use.

 

[imeothanasis]

Steel, maybe you miss the point here. This atomizer was made, base on Ody thoughts. Its just an Ody without its tank. Its a threaded mouthpiece against a base and a ceramic inside the base that is feeded by opening and close the mouthpiece. I am sorry that you cant see it.

As for killer, yes it came before Achilles, but it was not thin like Achilles and it was made only for ufs, without any other feature or ability. Achilles on the other hand is just a thin Ody with more features than Ody.

You asked me why I dont make my atomizers easier for my customers? Its because they are already the easiest atomizers in the market. You can make a coil quicker than any other atomizer out there, you cant make a mistake because atomizer drives you exactly in the right direction without letting you make a mistake, because it has big bolts to screw without the need of of glasses to screw them and you dont need any tools to rebuild it. And if you need time for twisting wires, then why dont you make for example 10 wires and keep them with you in case you need them? That way the rebuilding will be last only 40 seconds. But even if you need to twist wires, do you really need 10 mins to twist them? Its a less than 1 min work.

If its about making it easier for your customers then why not get rid of the of the resistance/ no resistance wire.
It takes me 10 minutes to setup my ithaka, it only takes me 2 minutes to setup my kayfun.
Also setting up a diver only takes a couple of minutes and the setup on the Achilles/Sofia seems easier.
Didnt Leo come up with the Killer 705 before you came up with Achilles and doesnt Sofia seem like the natural evolution for the killer ?
Did you actually give Leo a prototype or did you give it to someone else that then gave it to Leo.
I still use my drippers and if tanks are a thing of the past then I guess dripping must be the stone ages.

 

[imeothanasis]

I see that your issues are about ready wires and about vapers that dont have enough money Jojo. The first issue can be easily solved by making wires in Greece as usual so you can have the opportunity to buy China or Greek wires if you like. The second issue, is not an issue and it never was because GG was never made for people that cant affort it. If I make a cheap GG then you will tell me again that I dont care for my customers because I make bad constructions. I really cant see why you are dissapointed here

This is funny...Seeing Yankee said you brought me into this convo, so okay Imeo, I guess I will give my two cents. I have stayed out of the forum because there is just too much Bull shiza that has been thrown around that I just don't have the time nor the inclination to deal with it. I used to have a lot of respect for specific modders but as of late, I have had a change of heart in that area. There is an air that is not pleasing to me in the forum much anymore. There is a lack of respect for people who participate in discussions that have a difference of opinions. There is EGO that is just too much testosterone for my liking...so I have chosen to abandon the forum.

The mere fact that you can disregard the everyday vaper is enough for me. The fact that you won't or maybe can't make a product of quality at a lesser price so the average consumer can afford a GG product is enough. It must be nice to not need the average consumer.

The funny thing is, you say it is because you won't skimp on quality.

Well, okay so you won't skimp on quality, well answer this then, after I complained (and I think Sedge too) about the premade wires changing over a year ago and have spent over 400 bucks in wires between COV and Greek Seller, it NOW comes out that they are sourced from China. So after paying a dollar a piece for them, thinking that they are handmade by the greeks themselves only to find out they are the same china made that I can buy for 4 cents per wire. BIG difference. So where is the quality and the concern for the consumer?

Am I disappointed? I am disappointed for more reason than just the achilles.

You say you want to satisfy every vaper but I guess that only includes those that are wealthy enough to buy the GG product in the first place. I guess those that own the UFS already will have to continue to purchase the "OTHER" atomizer.

 

[imeothanasis]

dripping, bottom feeders, and personalized tanks. The sales of Killer and Diver have proven that. And this new one looks much improved, it's a shame you didn't bring it to market if it's your design Imeo. No doubt there will be plenty of buyers.

I am sure about that River and yes Achilles would have some use. But at 90 euros I dont think that people would buy it. There are cheaper choices out there like the ones you mention. But I cant make a cheap GG constructions and I dont want to make something that only a few people would use because of its difficulty to make coils. I want to give to my customers the most I can and Achilles and all these very small atomizers cant really make our lifes easy.

 

[imeothanasis]

you are right as well yankee. You make good points. Mixed feelings!! I don't know if i want to be sad for not having Achilles, or be happy I didn't spend money on something that doesn't add anything.

Exactly as you said aal. It doesnt bring anything exept putting it inside customized tanks like Yankee's-jojo ones and also makes the coils difficult to be made. Ι fully understand Yankee and Jojo, they are my customers and very good ones but we really have to move on as I see it.

 

[steelseth]

I am sorry Thanasi but it is you that missed the point.
The Killer 705 has liquid control and air control it was never made for the ufs, Leo never mentions the ufs in any of his videos and it would be useless to have liquid control and air control twice.
The only problem the killer had was that you have to remove the top cap to insert into/refill the tank and now its fixed.

As for your atomizers being the easiest to built, well its not, LOL. Listen to you customers for once, its a pain in the ... to built the Ithaka and not just the twisting of wires.

If you choose to ignore me here is a video from Phil saying how easy it is to built the Ithaka

Steel, maybe you miss the point here. This atomizer was made, base on Ody thoughts. Its just an Ody without its tank. Its a threaded mouthpiece against a base and a ceramic inside the base that is feeded by opening and close the mouthpiece. I am sorry that you cant see it.

As for killer, yes it came before Achilles, but it was not thin like Achilles and it was made only for ufs, without any other feature or ability. Achilles on the other hand is just a thin Ody with more features than Ody.

You asked me why I dont make my atomizers easier for my customers? Its because they are already the easiest atomizers in the market. You can make a coil quicker than any other atomizer out there, you cant make a mistake because atomizer drives you exactly in the right direction without letting you make a mistake, because it has big bolts to screw without the need of of glasses to screw them and you dont need any tools to rebuild it. And if you need time for twisting wires, then why dont you make for example 10 wires and keep them with you in case you need them? That way the rebuilding will be last only 40 seconds. But even if you need to twist wires, do you really need 10 mins to twist them? Its a less than 1 min work.

 

[steliosss]

Γειά σου Odysseas... πως πάνε τα πράγματα στο gv???

 

[steelseth]

Things are good everywhere Stelios, well except some threats you seem to have f@#*ed up without cause or provocation.

 

[CaptSteve]

Steelseth, this kind of talk will not be tolerated here. You're entitled to an opinion but when you start insulting you will be shown the door

 

[Zanza]

I recoiled my Ithaka yesterday night, and man it takes way looonger than coiling my Squape for example. Or even the Diver in the BilletBox...

But as it taste so good to be honest, I don't care of the time it takes...Only drawback is that I'll not rely on a daily basis with it, it's only for home use and that's why it sits proudly on the Caravela

 

[steelseth]

Steelseth, this kind of talk will not be tolerated here. You're entitled to an opinion but when you start insulting you will be shown the door

Stelios knows very well what I am talking about, its not an insult. And I put the #$(%, which from what I can see in other threats or even in this threat if I am not mistaken is acceptable.
If you dont like my opinion just ask me to leave and I will leave.

 

[imeothanasis]

You still miss the point for one more time steel and you say some lies here. Lets see what you wrote:

killer has air control. Can you please show me? Maybe by removing tank up and down sliding it to the atomizer, something that I made 4 years ago when we were making very simple things?
killer has liquid control. Can you please show me? Except you mean the adapter that you put under the tank and you twist killer to open its side holes, when you afraid to open it in case you unscrew the adapter from the mod or the mouthpiece from the base? Or trying to unscrew from the mouthpiece that is attached by o-rings on the atomizer and the most possible is to not unscrew the atomizer but the mouthpiece only? Also you said that no one mention that killer was not made for UFS? Maybe this video will refresh your memory? Or because it wasnt Leo that made this video, means that killer was not made for UFS?

THE KILLER 705 Atomizer - YouTube

As for Ithaka and if its easy to be build, I would like to ask you 2 qwestions:

1. Do you always see others videos to have an opinion? You never try a construction by yourself? Also, all the videos that I have made for Ithaka where I make wires in 1 min are useless and Busardo's opinion is the right one? Or maybe you have to ask Ithaka users if Ithaka is easy or difficult? Or maybe you cant see that even if Ithaka is the best atomizer ever made with more features than a customer ever imagine, its still the easiest to be build? If you need an easy build or no build you can use cartos.

Of course I will choose to ignore you because you say things that are not true about killer, not true about Ithaka and because you are a person that always finds ways to say bad things about me on Greek forum.

My last word was just because people on ecf have to know with who they deal with and why you write like this. Yankee for example is a serious person and we have to think what he says but not you.

If you insist to make that style of posts on GG forum you have to reconsider your stay here and it would be better to join your friends on Greek forum where you abuse everyone and everything, using an appropriate language too.


You are not the first and you will be not the last one that has an obsession with me but I will try to handle politely

I am sorry Thanasi but it is you that missed the point.
The Killer 705 has liquid control and air control it was never made for the ufs, Leo never mentions the ufs in any of his videos and it would be useless to have liquid control and air control twice.
The only problem the killer had was that you have to remove the top cap to insert into/refill the tank and now its fixed.

As for your atomizers being the easiest to built, well its not, LOL. Listen to you customers for once, its a pain in the ... to built the Ithaka and not just the twisting of wires.

If you choose to ignore me here is a video from Phil saying how easy it is to built the Ithaka

 

[steelseth]

I see you edited you post. Well I guess I dont have to show you, you found the video yourself.
Just because it fits in the ufs it doesnt mean it was made for it.
By your reasoning all 510 atomizer were made for the ufs ?
I have an Ithaka, I purchased it from e-smokeguru and if you like I can send you the receipt, so its not about what anyone says on a video, its from personal experience.
What did I say that was NOT true ? Even if the killer doesnt meet your standards, it still has these features, maybe that is why the improvements were made. And the only thing I said about Ithaka was that it was difficult to built which it is, maybe not for you because you made it, but certainly for me and alot of other people, YOUR CUSTOMERS.

As a side note the only time I took the time to mention you in GV was when I received a clone of Ithaka and was frustrated that it was 99.9% like the original and I paid 135 euro for it.

In any case if this is the way you choose to treat your customers then have a nice day.

P.S and yes Imeo bothers me a little because Imeo means ΕιμαιΟ in greek which translates to Iam, and I think it would be more suitable to put "By Thanasis" instead of "By Iam" on your mods.

 

[imeothanasis]

I see you edited you post. Well I guess I dont have to show you, you found the video yourself.
Just because it fits in the ufs it doesnt mean it was made for it. wrong answer steel, check the video again
By your reasoning all 510 atomizer were made for the ufs ? wrong answer steel, check the video again
I have an Ithaka, I purchased it from e-smokeguru and if you like I can send you the receipt, so its not about what anyone says on a video, its from personal experience.
What did I say that was NOT true ? Even if the killer doesnt meet your standards, it still has these features, maybe that is why the improvements were made. And the only thing I said about Ithaka was that it was difficult to built which it is, maybe not for you because you made it, but certainly for me and alot of other people, YOUR CUSTOMERS. Killer doesnt meet my standards for sure, otherwise I would have made something like this. But I dont make things just to make them and put some money to my pocket

As a side note the only time I took the time to mention you in GV was when I received a clone of Ithaka and was frustrated that it was 99.9% like the original and I paid 135 euro for it. So all my videos didnt made you see how easy is Ithaka to be build? Then you cant build anything if you cant build Ithaka, you need cartos for sure. So I will make a video building Ithaka and count the time that I will need to make it. Then you can make a video too to show to all of us where your difficulties are.

In any case if this is the way you choose to treat your customers then have a nice day.

P.S and yes Imeo bothers me a little because Imeo means ΕιμαιΟ in greek which translates to Iam, and I think it would be more suitable to put "By Thanasis" instead of "By Iam" on your mods.

, if "Imeo" bothers you, then I cant do anything about it. But you have to know that "Imeo" was put there because all foreign friends here on ecf wanted to call me like this. They choose it and it stayed that way. They all know what Imeo means and they still call me like this. So I will not change my name just because you dont like it.

As we all see, you dont like anything about me for your reasons that I dont know of course. So I am wondering what are you doing here on GG forum. I hope that you didnt come for trouble because you cant make troubles here

As for the way I treat to my customers, let my customers know better about this. You are not my customer, you just buy mods and usually abuce the maker.

GG is a history, not a simple mod my friend.

 

[imeothanasis]

I recoiled my Ithaka yesterday night, and man it takes way looonger than coiling my Squape for example. Or even the Diver in the BilletBox...

But as it taste so good to be honest, I don't care of the time it takes...Only drawback is that I'll not rely on a daily basis with it, it's only for home use and that's why it sits proudly on the Caravela

Zan, I see genesis atomizer in your avatar. Are they easier to build?

 

[steelseth]

Thanasi, that is your name, Imeo is a nickname, I hope your daughter doesnt call you Imeo.
Anyway check this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFib2wypzSU and then all your answers are wrong.
I am sure you and I can find dozens of videos showing our points but as you say about Ithaka I should only watch your videos because you are the creator then you should also watch the videos of the creator of the killer.
As for your comments that I cant built anything, really mature btw, I will inform you that I have 3 kayfun, 1 taifun, 2 squapes, 3 immortilisers, 4 tridents, 5 divers, 2 killers, 5 ebarons, 2 rsst and alot of others I cant remember right now and I seem to built them just fine, easier and faster than the Ithaka.

If you think that a customer's comments and feedback is badmouthing you then that is really sad.