If you quit smoking for better health, your mod choices just went down from 1000's to about 5

[kitten frenzy]

lol at 40 watts.

 

[Angel Eyes]

If you have ever opened up you rba to find your cotton or rayon wick brown, black, or otherwise not looking new, you have overheated your wick and juice and created bad carcinogenic and otherwise hazardous chemicals, that YOU have been vaping and that temp control would have prevented.

Your mockery of this sounds a lot like the mockery in the 1950's that cigarettes were actually bad for you! - or that DDT was safe enough to eat, etc

 

[Sgt.Rock]

If you have ever opened up you RBA to find your cotton or rayon wick brown, black, or otherwise not looking new, you have overheated your wick and juice and created bad carcinogenic and otherwise hazardous chemicals, that YOU have been vaping and that temp control would have prevented.

Your mockery of this sounds a lot like the mockery in the 1950's that cigarettes were actually bad for you! - or that DDT was safe enough to eat, etc

Dude..get a life.

 

[Mrdaputer]

If you have ever opened up you RBA to find your cotton or rayon wick brown, black, or otherwise not looking new, you have overheated your wick and juice and created bad carcinogenic and otherwise hazardous chemicals, that YOU have been vaping and that temp control would have prevented.

Your mockery of this sounds a lot like the mockery in the 1950's that cigarettes were actually bad for you! - or that DDT was safe enough to eat, etc

Oh so your saying buy what your selling but no other because they are bad for you

 

[Angel Eyes]

Oh so your saying buy what your selling but no other because they are bad for you

I don't sell anything - and ignore temperature at your own peril!

People warning about the dangers of cigs in the 1950's were not real popular with their message either, so I am in good company!

Heck, Gandhi, Jesus, MLK, and many others devoted their whole life to helping others and got killed for it!

 

[wjosephsimmons]

No one is mocking your post because you are concerned about carcinogens; they're mocking your post because you don't have anything but unsupported personal opinion to back up your claims. Wicks change color from heating colored e-liquid, too. Nothing in what you have said even comes close to substantiating your claims. Vaporization is not combustion; it occurs below the point of ignition. Overheating your e-juice may not taste good, but it does not ignite it, nor does it cause it to combust.

For example, acrylamide is a carcinogenic chemical produced naturally in food as a result of cooking starchy foods at high temperatures, such as when baking or frying. Nonetheless, you don't read about people running around warning others about the dangers of potato chips, do you? You don't read about how we should be eating our french fries raw, do you? Get your facts straight before you start commenting about what is dangerous and what is not.

 

[RickCain]

While the DNA40 in temperature control mode is a good step towards making vaping "safer", I'm more concerned with what some e-juice companies use as flavor additives.

Ni200 wire is a PITA to work with so until there is a consumer friendly solution it will solely be in the enthusiast realm.

BTW: I own two DNA40's and love them with the right RDA/coil combo. They are not ready for prime time.


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[inswva]

I don't sell anything - and ignore temperature at your own peril!

People warning about the dangers of cigs in the 1950's were not real popular with their message either, so I am in good company!

Heck, Gandhi, Jesus, MLK, and many others devoted their whole life to helping others and got killed for it!

Seriously? You are comparing your message to those of Ghandi, Jesus, and Martin Luther King, Jr.?

Look, you have a message, that's great. You obviously feel compelled to "spread the word". However, before you can convert the masses, there needs to be some definitive, scientific data which supports your assertion that temperature control is going to erase world hunger, deliver us from damnation, and restore the ozone layer.

 

[Cotay]

I don't sell anything - and ignore temperature at your own peril!

People warning about the dangers of cigs in the 1950's were not real popular with their message either, so I am in good company!

Heck, Gandhi, Jesus, MLK, and many others devoted their whole life to helping others and got killed for it!

Look, whether your assertions are correct is irrelevant at this moment in time. You simply cannot make such concrete statements without offering peer-reviewed scientific evidence. Otherwise you come off as a quack.

And appealing to Gandhi, Jesus and MLK like you are somehow comparable to those historic figures makes me question your sanity.

 

[AndriaD]

Most of us here quit smoking and went to vaping to keep from killing ourselves with analog cigs. But now we are finding out that the high temps associated with sub-ohming, high wattage, and just vaping in general not only can sometimes produce a burnt taste or a dry hit, but these temperatures cause cancer and cause your wicking, wire and juice to become toxic and carcinogenic.

Fortunately we have the new Evolv DNA 40 chipset based mods, which allow you to set a safe temp limit, so you are not toxifying your juice, wicking or wire, things that can start happening at temps as low as 410° F (210° C.)


So apparently, the mods that are safe for your health are:

Vaporshark rDNA 40 -- $189
Hana V3 DNA 40 -- $250
Vapor Flask V2.1 (DNA 40) -- $299

and a couple of others much more rarely seen models, for a total of perhaps 5 or so you can buy right now.

Kidding, right? I have no earthly use whatever for any mod that goes over 15 watts, so I'm quite safe with my Vamo and sigelei zmax at 15w, and itaste vv3's, which only go to 11w.

No earthly use for sub-ohming either. Y'all can inhale whipped cream to your heart's delight, but my asthmatic lungs don't and won't go there. I have no use for it.

Andria

 

[Angel Eyes]

For example, acrylamide is a carcinogenic chemical produced naturally in food as a result of cooking starchy foods at high temperatures, such as when baking or frying. Nonetheless, you don't read about people running around warning others about the dangers of potato chips, do you? You don't read about how we should be eating our french fries raw, do you? Get your facts straight before you start commenting about what is dangerous and what is not.

Actually yes! - the dangers of eating potato chips and other fried food and the dangerous chemicals formed when they are fried are well known in the scientific community, just not by the masses.

You cannot go with majority opinion on health/safety concerns, you have to go with science. Just look at how the masses mocked climate change, and yet now every reputable scientist worldwide admits it is here AND WE CAUSED IT...........ugh!

 

[Flt Simulation]

...... I have no earthly use whatever for any mod that goes over 15 watts, so I'm quite safe with my Vamo and sigelei zmax at 15w, and itaste vv3's, which only go to 11w.

No earthly use for sub-ohming either. Y'all can inhale whipped cream to your heart's delight, but my asthmatic lungs don't and won't go there. I have no use for it.

Andria

Excellent!

Although I don't have asthma, I have found my 'sweet-spot' in vaping ... And that is a single 1.5 - 2.0 ohm coil in my Kayfun Lite that gets fed 10.5 watts of power.

I don't need no super high watt battery with a chip in it that requires me to use some special wire in order for everything to work right ... Yup, I am happy with plain ol' Kanthal 28 AWG ... thank you

 

[dr g]

Brandon/Evolve/DNA - Smart person, quality products.

Op, outside enthusiast, over zealous, less than impressive.

The Temp chip is the perfect solution for people that don't have a clue or those that would rather not take the time to design/monitor/manage their setups properly.

Also - Maintaining a coil temp of (x) is no guarantee of nothing else going wrong.

I'm still not convinced this is true Temp control. It seems to only work with one specific type of wire rather than actually reading(sensing) specific temperature.

It's not actually temperature control. The device reads the change in resistance as the coil heats up. Nickel wire has a fairly high temperature coefficient (the resistance changes a good amount with temperature). Nichrome and Kanthal have lower temperature coefficients, so the change in resistance would be harder to measure for these wires.

An IR sensor would be a great way to control the temperature, except I can't think of a way to do it where it wouldn't get all fogged up by the pg/vg. Perhaps a thermocouple interwoven with the coil?

Just so you know, that is direct measurement of temperature. The atomizer is turned into a thermometer, basically.

As for the OP, I have seen no results of research claiming that. While I am personally of the belief that temperature control is superior to everything else, the statement made in the OP is little more than fearmongering.

 

[Circa Survivor]

Where's Clint Eastwood to give Angel Eyes the ol' lead sleeping pill when you need him? xD

 

[Augmented Dog]

If you have ever opened up you RBA to find your cotton or rayon wick brown, black, or otherwise not looking new, you have overheated your wick and juice and created bad carcinogenic and otherwise hazardous chemicals, that YOU have been vaping and that temp control would have prevented.

Your mockery of this sounds a lot like the mockery in the 1950's that cigarettes were actually bad for you! - or that DDT was safe enough to eat, etc

Again, without citing and linking your sources, your words are empty and "warnings" baseless.
In truth, you mock yourself by refusing to provide those cites.

 

[wjosephsimmons]

Look, maybe you mean well. Maybe you actually do have "angel eyes". But I'm still not hearing any actual scientific support for your claims. Until you can provide this, your suggestions will most likely be considered nothing more than alarmist propaganda designed to market a specific device.

Permit me now to suggest just a few more words of advice:

Desiderata

Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be critical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy.

© Max Ehrmann 1927

 

[Augmented Dog]

Actually yes! - the dangers of eating potato chips and other fried food and the dangerous chemicals formed when they are fried are well known in the scientific community, just not by the masses.

You cannot go with majority opinion on health/safety concerns, you have to go with science. Just look at how the masses mocked climate change, and yet now every reputable scientist worldwide admits it is here AND WE CAUSED IT...........ugh!

So, where's your science?

 

[blacklung]

Most of us here quit smoking and went to vaping to keep from killing ourselves with analog cigs. But now we are finding out that the high temps associated with sub-ohming, high wattage, and just vaping in general not only can sometimes produce a burnt taste or a dry hit, but these temperatures cause cancer and cause your wicking, wire and juice to become toxic and carcinogenic.

Fortunately we have the new Evolv DNA 40 chipset based mods, which allow you to set a safe temp limit, so you are not toxifying your juice, wicking or wire, things that can start happening at temps as low as 410° F (210° C.)


So apparently, the mods that are safe for your health are:

Vaporshark rDNA 40 -- $189
Hana V3 DNA 40 -- $250
Vapor Flask V2.1 (DNA 40) -- $299

and a couple of others much more rarely seen models, for a total of perhaps 5 or so you can buy right now.

random thread...not sure if it's sarcastic(we only have 3-5 devices to use if we don't want cancer) or just someone excited about this new technology that came out(2 months ago btw).

seems like a weak statement(no evidence) with good intentions....or a sarcastic troll(pulling it off well)

 

[HecticEnergy]

This is all new tech. It will be decades before we know the true effects of what we are doing to ourselves. Saying that temperature controlled is safe and healthy could be similar to saying the menthol cigarette is a safe alternative to smoking standard tobacco cigarettes. Or saying filtered cigarettes are harmless. We need to do research and continually evaluate what we are putting into our bodies. I think we all accept that there is risk in what we are doing but all current research shows that it is still 99% better than inhaling burnt plant matter covered in pesticides wrapped in chemically treated paper. If you want to be 100% safe from the effects of cigarettes and vaping, don't do either.

ETA: Cite your sources.

 

[crxess]

Just so you know, that is direct measurement of temperature. The atomizer is turned into a thermometer, basically.

As for the OP, I have seen no results of research claiming that. While I am personally of the belief that temperature control is superior to everything else, the statement made in the OP is little more than fearmongering.

Cannot agree. The Atomizer is what it is and will always be. The Thermal control is an Algorithm attempting to control power output variances to limit Resistance change of a specific material. Thus only Nickel Wire.(at this time)

This has nothing to do with Atomizer type/style/design but only the material of the Coil itself.

So, Please do not use Basically

ETA: I have nothing against and am all for quality advances, but not at the cost of fabrication of 1/2 truths to sell such. I doubt(hopefully) Brandon would feel differently.