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[A4tune8one]

This is in response to the recently closed thread "Ignorant"

I feel people need to know how dangerous this foolish act CAN really be.

Ok.....where to begin?
Throwing a lit cigarette into a puddle of gas may not ignite the fuel
because the vapor to air ratio is to rich for the fumes to ingnite. The longer
the heat/ignition source is exposed to the fuel, the more fumes will
be produced and then look out......flash fire will result with all the fumes being
ignited in the immediate area. Most likely the puddle of gasoline with the lit cigarette thrown into it
would ignite right away because there is always fumes present unless the fuel is in containment.
With this being noted, an E-Cigarette is not safe to vape at a gasoline pump
or for that matter in any combustable or flamable environment including areas
with high concentrations of dust such as grain and fertilizer plants.
An E-Cigarette in not intrinsically safe. In this case it is not sealed from keeping
air or anything that may be in the air from entering the unit. Each time you inhale, along with activating the atty, you are mixing outside air with the e-liquid and a source of ignition to create enough reaction to vaporize the liquid. I would bet that if you threw a lit cigarette into a puddle of e-liquid it wouldn't ignite......hmmm
The gasoline attendant was very young and naive. He has no idea of the dangers involved and probably would be hesitant to inforce any smoking rules even if he did...IMHO.
Smokie should refrain from stupid stunts as this. This is very negative advertisement for E-Cigs and also shows me how ignorant he can be.

 

[Max0819]

Agreed. Definitely the reasons why the thread was started.

No reedeeming qualities in that vid.

Max

 

[Amajn]

Yes Ty for this my whole thought process was

1.Why? what purpose does this serve? is there a really a need to try and get a rise outta some young kid who probally already has enough crap to deal with?

2.its dangerous he has a 6v mod with batts and a heating coil that gets hot enough to vaporize liquid ...Gee i think i will go over to a gas station and vape harhar sounds smart to me

3.We all want ppl to be understanding of vaping and we want it to be accepted We do not need someone trying to inflate his ego acting like that


Bottom line its lame

If someone who watches this video can honestly defend him they need to think about the what if's

and i agree smokies intentions where harmless but some of the worse accidents in the world happened with harmless intentions

 

[zoiDman]

Was that the thread where the guy got fired for vapeing in front of a paint area on a ship?

 

[Amajn]

Was that the thread where the guy got fired for vapeing in front of a paint area on a ship?

No but thats a good point to bring up i read that it was sad he was fired

But if proves that there is a time and a place for everything even vaping/smoking

And places that are flammable where ppl have to be cautious should not be one of them

 

[A4tune8one]

The original thread started to become a bit vile......trashing Smokie by sentencing him before his trial. I hate to open old wounds and these cuts were most likely the reason for the closing of the original thread "ignorant" With all this said, here is the link.....
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarettes-public/99922-ignorant.html

 

[Virtues]

You're right, the heated filament could pose a hazard at the pump, Thank you for pointing that out. Until more studies are done, I personally won't be vaping at the pump.

 

[voltaire]

Ok, but let's be realistic here. An ecig moderately heats a tiny coil that's for the most part enclosed and generally distant from gas. (ok, so drip tips may be a little different)

A car, which just drove up to a gas pump has LARGE exposed surfaces (particularly the exhaust system) that can get a great deal hotter, and are a good deal closer to any potential puddles of gasoline on the ground. Also, while you're driving up, and when you start your car to leave, there are relatively IMMENSE pulses of electricity being sent all throughout the engine, with a much greater chance of sparks being generated. Plus many people frequently leave their ignition on while they pump gas, or sometimes even worse, leave their car running.

But I agree in principle that vapers should not vape where it is not safe/allowed to smoke. For one thing, some people will assume you're smoking, and an attendant might be required to shut down all the pumps because he thinks he saw you smoking. Ecigs don't need any more negative PR, so everyone should avoid generating any unnecessarily.

 

[Max0819]

Volitiare,

Yes, lets please be realistic, and not downplay the potential here.

Gasoline has a flashpoint of -40 C or F, meaning it still emits flammable vapor at those temps. It requires basically 1.5% - 8% concentration in open air to combust.

A red hot atty can easily reach several hundred degrees (I've read 300-500 degF, take your pick). The red hot portion makes it an ignition source.

When you draw (suck if you prefer) on your cig, you can quite readily draw in and CONCENTRATE the loose available gasoline vapors

Is it likely, probably not. Could it happen, most definitely.

Just like cigarettes. You can put them out in a bucket of gas, but every once in a while, as that hot coal passes through the vapor on the top of that bucket - KABOOM.

All the argument aside, it's just rude. Do you really need to vape next to a gas pump? Particularly, do you need to leer, snicker, chase around the gas jockey, next to a gas pump, gas can, and vape? I'm thinking not, but then I'm social that way.


Max

 

[jfdpl686]

It is sad but online there are always “experts” and people simply try to “prove” wrong many things that are given for a reason; sometimes the reason is beyond the common public but it must be followed. If the public wants to contradict or oppose to those rules, then they should research and prove them wrong.

In the case of not smoking in a gas station, I’m sorry, it is dangerous; period! No discussion should be allowed. People, in this case smokie, simply shows not having a clue and just pushing the limits. Many agencies have research fire for a long time and from those experiences the codes are written.
It is true that chances of starting a fire in a gas station are very slim; perhaps 1 over 10000 but there IS a chance; and if that thing ignites, it won’t be pretty, will cause a huge damage and can kill people.

Voltaire, you are right and that’s exactly what I blame the wrong messages sent to the masses. You are right with all you said, but guess what? We are not so worried about “the liquid” here; any spark getting into the puddle of gas most likely will be gone at touching it… but the problem here are the fumes. The fumes you encounter are explosive, and if the spark flies in that environment, then you can get an explosion, the first one will be small and can ignite the rest of the surrounding fumes AND the liquid around it.
Later on, do you know how hard is to extinguish that kind of fire?

So, ok, it is one in a million chances… great… then let’s picture this… your significant other is at that gas station and this guy goes and do this dumb thing and that ONE chance happen… How would you feel?

This is just like the people talking about the smoke detection system in a plane; I’m sorry, dumb to prove that point too. If you set an alarm, then the flight will be diverted and landed; if you were in a hurry to arrive to your destination… How will you feel? Selfish people are the ones doing this king of stunts… mostly when they do not have a clue on those issues…

 

[HzG8rGrl]

I never did understand why people want to vape, much less smoke, while pumping gas. If you want to let someone else put the gas in your tank, why get out of your car? Makes no sense, other than being of small mind.

 

[Timtam]

If you cannot hold off vaping for the 4-5 mins of pumping gas, you have other issues.

 

[Elendil]

If you cannot hold off vaping for the 4-5 mins of pumping gas, you have other issues.

Exactly. Just because something isn't smoking doesn't mean it is your right to do it wherever you please.

 

[zoiDman]

If you cannot hold off vaping for the 4-5 mins of pumping gas, you have other issues.

I think this sums it up perfectly.

Some of the things I've read about vaping in crazy places, it makes me wonder what their motive is.

Seems like it just gives e-Cigs a bad name somehow. Like we found away to get around a rule or something.

 

[Amajn]

I kinda look at it like

THere is a place and time for everything smoking/vaping whatever

i go to the movies and to out to dinner public events

I vape away from ppl and outta everys face why? Being respectful

I have a addiction NICOTINE why do i gotta subject everyone else?
Well i dont i do it in areas and places when the proper time comes

Even if it was 100 percent safe to vape at a gas station
Do the clerks/workers really need me to vape/smoke right next to them? NO

And that goes for where ever i go

 

[quakereject]

From a public standpoint, I can agree about the gas station.

However the negative connotations being drawn on Smokie about supplier issues seem to have biased roots.

For those of you who don't know, Smokie was called out by a supplier that he solicited to send him free stuff, and if they didn't he would give their company a bad review. That tells you all you need to know about his "reviews", who he is, and what he is about.

If this refers to a purchase Smokie made, well.. he'd be well within his rights to complain about a completely customer service oriented issue. The vagueness of your inference is irresponsible. If I get a bag of crap from someone and not get it changed to what I wanted, then people are going to know about it. Whether I do it over the internet or just tell all my friends.

All stories have two sides, refusing to acknowledge that will only hasten the animosity between vapers.

 

[Lab]

I am with the dont vape where you are not allowed to smoke.. stores, bars, movies, ext..

mythbusters did a thing on that smoking at the gas station and it took them a lot of effort to get an ignition.. toss a lit cig in gas.. it will go out.. the only time that the ember is hot enough to possibly start the fire with gas is when it is being inhaled and even then you need the right mix of fumes and air..

 

[quakereject]

This could go so many different directions it's silly.

The gas pump incident was in all essence, out of line, but until conjecture is overtaken by actual fact, which has not been presented in any thread so far about the perceived safety or non-safety of a heated coil around gasoline then crucifying someone over something YOU think is wrong and calling them selfish.. well, what are you doing? Being selfless? What are you really concerned about? Oh yeah, YOUR ability to vape legally.

Again, it's not something I'm going to run out and try at all.. it's not something I've even considered trying, nor would I condone it. I've never wanted to smoke while gassing, and I really have no need to vape while gassing my truck. The video was aimed at gauging awarenes, or gut reactions of OH MY GOD PUT THAT OUT SIR by some poor attendant who actually KNEW what ecigs were, and didn't even consider asking him not to do it. So it was, in essence a failed attempt to get a rise out of someone by perceptually smoking. Nothing makes this OK, but crapping all over peoples faces and then lumping insult to injury by adding even more conjecture to the argument only breeds ignorance and intolerance which doesn't help anyone's cause.

If the vaping community is here to help educate and promote the use of Ecigs, then why is it so quick to condemn those that aren't necessarily a welcomed part of the crowd? Civility goes a long way, and both sides of the coin can benefit from it. Hell it's hard to have a day go by that there isn't an easily visible thread with some form of vaping being done in a smoking restricted area and being boasted about. Yet there aren't response threads to those.

Part of being responsible, is promoting responsibility, something that's not being done in my opinion.

 

[Drozd]

Volitiare,

Yes, lets please be realistic, and not downplay the potential here.

Gasoline has a flashpoint of -40 C or F, meaning it still emits flammable vapor at those temps. It requires basically 1.5% - 8% concentration in open air to combust.

A red hot atty can easily reach several hundred degrees (I've read 300-500 degF, take your pick). The red hot portion makes it an ignition source.

yes please lets be realistic.. the coil in the atty gets red hot not the shell...and the coil on a stock 510 or eGo is about 180 F...even a 510 atty on a 3.7V battery only reaches about 275 F after 15 sec.... the tailpipe of a running auto is quite a bit hotter... as compared to the cherry of a regular cig which hits 450-500 F..

When you draw (suck if you prefer) on your cig, you can quite readily draw in and CONCENTRATE the loose available gasoline vapors

Is it likely, probably not. Could it happen, most definitely.

as you said not likely...not even probably...it's extremely doubtful that when filling your car the vapors are going to make it out of the gas tank and all the way up near your face...remember gasoline vapor is heavier than air...meaning if it even makes it out of the tank it's going to go down toward the ground and it's going to spread...you're not going to get enough concentration in a ecig 5+ feet off the ground in a mostly closed ecig to get any sort of combustion...

All the argument aside, it's just rude. Do you really need to vape next to a gas pump? Particularly, do you need to leer, snicker, chase around the gas jockey, next to a gas pump, gas can, and vape? I'm thinking not, but then I'm social that way.


Max

the only agreeable part of the accessment...it's just dumb and rude...though not in any way a danger..

This could go so many different directions it's silly.

The gas pump incident was in all essence, out of line, but until conjecture is overtaken by actual fact, which has not been presented in any thread so far about the perceived safety or non-safety of a heated coil around gasoline then crucifying someone over something YOU think is wrong and calling them selfish.. well, what are you doing? Being selfless? What are you really concerned about? Oh yeah, YOUR ability to vape legally.

Again, it's not something I'm going to run out and try at all.. it's not something I've even considered trying, nor would I condone it. I've never wanted to smoke while gassing, and I really have no need to vape while gassing my truck. The video was aimed at gauging awarenes, or gut reactions of OH MY GOD PUT THAT OUT SIR by some poor attendant who actually KNEW what ecigs were, and didn't even consider asking him not to do it. So it was, in essence a failed attempt to get a rise out of someone by perceptually smoking. Nothing makes this OK, but crapping all over peoples faces and then lumping insult to injury by adding even more conjecture to the argument only breeds ignorance and intolerance which doesn't help anyone's cause.

If the vaping community is here to help educate and promote the use of Ecigs, then why is it so quick to condemn those that aren't necessarily a welcomed part of the crowd? Civility goes a long way, and both sides of the coin can benefit from it. Hell it's hard to have a day go by that there isn't an easily visible thread with some form of vaping being done in a smoking restricted area and being boasted about. Yet there aren't response threads to those.

Part of being responsible, is promoting responsibility, something that's not being done in my opinion.

Lol.. round here we tend to throw all logic and laws of physics out the window don't you know...was it a rude and tacky stunt to pull?....probably.... was it dangerous...not even remotely....

 

[BradSmith]

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