Ill Advised E-liquid Packaging?

[zoiDman]

Call me a silly idealist but when I'm faced with "it's a lie, but they'll use it against us" I choose to fight the lie.

They'll use anything and everything against us. Where do we draw the line?

It's a moot point anyway, I'm sure the FDA will issue a plain packaging guidance. I'm just wondering what will be the step too far that will cause vapers en mass to stand up and fight back. Obviously it won't be about packaging, maybe about flavors? Maybe nic strengths? How will we fight the "for the children" then?

I Didn't say it was a Lie. Because the Effects of Product Packaging on Minors is Highly Debatable. And I Don't think Anyone can Definitively say (either For or Against) what the Statistical Effects on a Randomly Chosen Minor is.

But what I think Most people, who have Any Experience in the way Public Opinions are used in Justifying Regulations and Taxes, would agree that this type of Product Packaging will be Used Against Us.

And I'm Not Sure why some would Willingly place a Sword in our Enemies Hands? When there are Thousands and Thousands of Example of Responsible Packaging Designs from other OEM's.

 

[crxess]

And now a short break for some real advertising to chillin'.


Mike

Slam posted to that one.

 

[Lessifer]

I Didn't say it was a Lie. Because the Effects of Product Packaging on Minors is Highly Debatable. And I Don't think Anyone can Definitively say (either For or Against) what the Statistical Effects on a Randomly Chosen Minor is.

But what I think Most people, who have Any Experience in the way Public Opinions are used in Justifying Regulations and Taxes, would agree that this type of Product Packaging will be Used Against Us.

And I'm Not Sure why some would Willingly place a Sword in our Enemies Hands? When there are Thousands and Thousands of Example of Responsible Packaging Designs from other OEM's.

personally, I don't want to restrict my vaping to what some might consider "adult" or "mature." I like fruity, candy, cereal and dessert flavors. I may have bottles with bright colors on them. I may even have bottles with cartoonish characters on them.

I also have a millennium falcon Bluetooth speaker, a transformers throw blanket, a super Mario t-shirt, and quite possibly some cake flavored vodka in the freezer. I also have a child that knows what she isn't allowed to touch and why.

 

[SteveS45]

Manufactures of products that have age restrictions will never admit to marketing to minors and attribute it to targeting the younger generation.

Just my ..............

 

[zoiDman]

... I may even have bottles with cartoonish characters on them.

...

Little Mis Chainsaw?

 

[SteveS45]

Here are a few questionable names and flavors that I ran across. Sure many will appeal to late teens and early 20's and honestly an older woman at the vape store was testing Fruit Loops while I was there but still what is the target age group for these?

 

[Lessifer]

what is the target age group for these?

Whoever can legally purchase them. If you saw them in a vape shop, how many minors did you see in that vape shop? Do you only object to the packaging, or is it the flavors too?

 

[crxess]

Well, lets see............If you were in a Vape store - IN NY - I'd say to anyone over the legal age of purchase. While I see some as to childish(as in unnecessarily cartoonish) I happen to Enjoy several from the selection.

By the way, I am 62, Male. I DIY and make my own<For the Children Flavors> for my personal use.

Tobacco Flavor Sux(for me) and I have no need to be reminded I once smoked.

Are you antz?

 

[jambi]

Here are a few questionable names and flavors that I ran across. Sure many will appeal to late teens and early 20's and honestly an older woman at the vape store was testing Fruit Loops while I was there but still what is the target age group for these?

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What's worse, vaping Kool Laid or drinking the real stuff (well, if Kool Aid can be called real in the strictest sense of the word)? The truth is that nobody can definitively answer that question. All the products in your image except one are themselves highly questionable as to the health risks. Further, it stands to reason that an eliquid emulating a known product will adopt similar packaging.

Also, you're apparently implying that all those sugary, artificial, highly processed products masquerading as "food" are specifically targeted to children. I AGREE. I think that's a much graver problem than emulative eliquid packaging.

I see Curious George. He shouldn't be there. Curious George is OWNED by children. Anything already owned by them should never end up on an eliquid bottle.

 

[SteveS45]

Yes, the candy and other products are targeted for children. MY Question was what is the target age group for these E-Liquids? I was not implying anything and was speculating on what the manufactures intent is or was.

 

[SteveS45]

And on a side note at one of the Vape Shops were I am very friendly with the owner I was doing some Digital Media work for him and a few young men were buying vaping gear and liquids. I use the term men loosely because they appeared younger than the age required and I questioned him in private on it. His answer was that they had ID and I asked him if how carefully he checked those ID's. I was not enforcing laws but rather looking out for the owner.

 

[skoony]

Here are a few questionable names and flavors that I ran across. Sure many will appeal to late teens and early 20's and honestly an older woman at the vape store was testing Fruit Loops while I was there but still what is the target age group for these?

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The targeted age group are those that are old enough to buy it,period.
The speculation that this type of advertising and or the flavors is causing
children to do anything is just that,speculation. All that any of the studies have shown
is that children "prefer" bright colors,cartoonish characters and,flavors. That is
all. There is no link to actually causing any child to do or not do any particular
behavior. Video games are ranked for maturity because of what some believe
is appropriate for a particular age group not,because they will cause any actual
harm to a child or cause a child to harm another. Children do things because they
are learned,either from there parents bidding or behavior or their peers bidding
or behavior. Children are not automatons. If taught correctly they know the difference
between adults and what adults can do and, what as children they are allowed to do.
I know of no one that either drank or smoked underage that didn't know it was wrong.
(toddlers and younger is a different story) One might not believe it a sin,dangerous,immoral
or, something that has grave personal consequences for them but,they still knew
someone somewhere believes it to be wrong and they did it anyway.

Regards
Mike

 

[crxess]

Yes, the candy and other products are targeted for children. MY Question was what is the target age group for these E-Liquids? I was not implying anything and was speculating on what the manufactures intent is or was.

Maybe this should be explained differently - Many, if not Most of these Flavors have actually been developed through Community support and often by members of the community - For personal use, then shared/stolen/replicated

i.e. Flavors Vapers want and expect.
One of my current Favorites is Sugar Cookie and another is Butterscotch.
I Designed my own Milk Chocolate Toffee Cappuccino

 

[TheMike21]

Slam posted to that one.

What kind of school are this children going to? I as a parent would change them inmediately!

 

[Slighter]

flavors are an issue on the block in many states - i feel this type of sheet is just what the opposition has been waiting for. For over 6 years I have been hearing the same ignorant save the children argument. Why hand them a gift?

 

[Slighter]

Have any of you spoken to an elected official on any point of vaping? I have going back to 2009 - First off most are totally clueless to the entire concept and those that are aware tend to be antz or legacy seeking self important types. We are not dealing with rational people here. They are biased first by the office they have attained and secondly by all of the influences to retain it and possibly thirdly to prove their time there meant something.

 

[retired1]

Moved to General E-Liquid discussion

 

[SteveS45]

I wasn't bringing up the issue of the individual flavorings it is the marketing like the topic of the thread itself. The name of a flavoring and the packaging might go hand in hand but to make the container look like candy or a toy and have very little indication that is is a nicotine or zero nicotine product meant for vaping is not right. Why is it so hard to believe a big corporations intentions are not in the public interest?

I enjoy my vaping and do not want regulations or laws to ruin a good thing but quality control I will always stand behind.

Again these are just my opinions and in my country we have freedom of speech.

 

[skoony]

flavors are an issue on the block in many states - i feel this type of sheet is just what the opposition has been waiting for. For over 6 years I have been hearing the same ignorant save the children argument. Why hand them a gift?

It's not a gift. It's a Trojan Horse for us to accept or not.

Regards
Mike

 

[Yiana]

The targeted age group are those that are old enough to buy it,period.
The speculation that this type of advertising and or the flavors is causing
children to do anything is just that,speculation. All that any of the studies have shown
is that children "prefer" bright colors,cartoonish characters and,flavors. That is
all. There is no link to actually causing any child to do or not do any particular
behavior. Video games are ranked for maturity because of what some believe
is appropriate for a particular age group not,because they will cause any actual
harm to a child or cause a child to harm another. Children do things because they
are learned,either from there parents bidding or behavior or their peers bidding
or behavior. Children are not automatons. If taught correctly they know the difference
between adults and what adults can do and, what as children they are allowed to do.
I know of no one that either drank or smoked underage that didn't know it was wrong.
(toddlers and younger is a different story) One might not believe it a sin,dangerous,immoral
or, something that has grave personal consequences for them but,they still knew
someone somewhere believes it to be wrong and they did it anyway.

Regards
Mike

Personally I am way more outraged at mature video games being marketed to children and the hoards of parents who buy little Johnny that video game with a mature rating due to gore and violence because he wants it. And if you don't believe that happens everyday all day ask my daughter's friend who works at Game Stop.