I'm soooooo confused!

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MeMa

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I'm trying to decide what 'brand' of e-cig to start with and after reading a lot of info here, I'm sooo confused!

I've been smoking for over 30 years so I want an e-cig that is as close to the real thing as possible. I'm not interested in flavors nor am I sure that I want to, umm what is the term - drip? I want a 'pick up and go' and not have to think about adding anything.

There are so many choices, how do I know what is best for me? Are the disposables the best to try first?

I'm sure that those of you with experience are tired of seeing the same old questions, but I really am overwhelmed with the info here. Can anyone streamline this decision making process or lead me in the right direction?

TIA!
 

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I was in the same boat 5 days ago.... Got my 510 and i havnt picked up a analog cig since... Joye 510 or Titan 510 or the Kingpin 510 all the same thing... The M401 is a good starter piece too... a nice starter kit for that is at truesmoker.com... Personally id stay away from Blu, only because ive heard so many negitive things.

As an addition The "dripping" term is a good thing to look into.. will save you loads on prefilled cartridges...
 

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Your mom said not to say...
I prefer dipping my Dragon more than dripping into my 510 but they are both excellent ways to have a great vape and avoid any nasty after taste from dry carts. As for where can you find it or the others the best answer is to go to Supporting Suppliers - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat and look through the list there.

I have gotten my 510 from Innovapor.com, I got my Dragon a m401 at Truesmoker.com and I like them both. You can find these at a few different places, Electronic Cigarettes and eLiquid / Totally Wicked eLiquid / Electronic Cigarette eLiquid Store sells the 510 as the Titan. http://www.Innvapor.com EVO is an example of the m401 style like the Dragon that I have. If you have the patience and can wait I would also say you can get the best prices by ordering from one of the places that are overseas, it takes a little longer but it can be a lot cheaper. One example is: http://www.youcig.com

These are just a sample of the places you can find what you want. I also suggest that you order some e-juice along with your first order since you are probably going to run out of carts well before you can get replacement carts or liquid delivered. They do not last as long as some companies have claimed, 99.999% of the users I speak with get juice and refill their own carts or drip/dip depending on the model. Just get a small 10ml bottle to start to make sure that this is something that you can get into, that should be plenty for you to have on hand until you can order some more. Good luck.

EDIT: For what it's worth I too wanted one that had the look and feel of a regular cigarette like you but to a point. I went with the Dragon m401 because while it was about the same size and feel of a cigarette it was black and would not get confused for a regular cigarette in non smoking areas and avoid hassles. Oh and if you really want one close to being a real analog cigarette the m401 is smaller in size than the 510 and a bit closer to a real tobacco smoke size. It worked wonders for me, just some food for thought.
 
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If you want to pick up and go, then the only thing I can recommend in good conscience is the Vapor King. I will confess, I never recommend anything else anymore. It is with good reason though. VKs (also called Kr808D-1 or kr808) give great vapor, throat hit, and flavor. Other than the high end mods, they also have the longest lasting battery.

Since I got my VK, the other models I have (501, 901, 801, 4081, and lady pipe) have dropped off my proverbial planet. You screw on a cartomizer and inhale, that's it. No dripping, no cleaning atomizers, no nothing but inhaling. You can refill these if you so chose, but you can also just toss the "cartomizer" and pick up a new one. I should also say, that unless you get into refilling, all disposable options including the vapor king will cost you more long term. The vapor king can be refilled if you go that route, but you are not forced into it. Check out the Vapor4Life sub-forum here for the how to videos, reviews, and great feedback.
 
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Thank you! Isn't the M401 made in China? is the 510 made in the US?

My mind is reeling, going to go have an analog and sleep on all of this info. I can't wait until I can say that I'm smoke free!

Other than mods, they are pretty much all made in China. Even the mods made here still require Chinese atomizers and carts. To my knowledge, there are no US manufacturers of standard e-cig parts.
 

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Thank you! Isn't the M401 made in China? is the 510 made in the US?

My mind is reeling, going to go have an analog and sleep on all of this info. I can't wait until I can say that I'm smoke free!
all ecig technology is china based................cigs, juice, carts, batts, and atty's

all of it
 

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If you want to pick up and go, then the only thing I can recommend in good conscience is the Vapor King. I will confess, I never recommend anything else anymore.

I've been hearing so much about the kr808d lately.
Mostly from you and JenJen.
:)

The convenience sounds nice, although I sort of like messing with my stuff.
But either way, you still have to refill unless you want to pay more for the convenience.

And I have to assume you have the same wicking issues that many of us deal with?
 
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Your mom said not to say...
There is no perfect E-Cig, if any one was all that and a bag of chips we would all be using that brand. I can empathize with your confusion, I almost went the cartomizer route myself and then I thought about the long term cost of ownership and that I too wanted to experiment with juices and whatnot so I went the other way. As the man said yes, long term if your going to purchase your carts then the cartomizers are going to cost more, but it's a matter of personal choice really. I can see a day in the near future where I see a good deal on one and I will go ahead and check it out for myself.
 

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I've been hearing so much about the kr808d lately.
Mostly from you and JenJen.
:)

The convenience sounds nice, although I sort of like messing with my stuff.
But either way, you still have to refill unless you want to pay more for the convenience.

And I have to assume you have the same wicking issues that many of us deal with?

Danger, Danger, Will Robinson - novel on the horizon!!!!!

I think that JenJen and I are so passionate because we have tried the much touted brands and got fed up with them. I was already dedicated to the e-cig experience when I started vaping, but if I hadn't been I would have given up. The darned things just require way to much maintenance. I needed an analog just to get over the frustration of my e-cigs!:rolleyes:

When I found the VK, all of that literally evaporated. And no, no wicking issues at all. None. I am human and as such, I am prone to hyperbole, however in this instance, my passion has not overruled my good judgment. I have all the other "hot" models, and compared to my VK, they come up sorely lacking. When I hand one over to a smoking friend, their faces light up and they appreciate the ease of use. I don't have to give them a long set of fine print about flooding, cleaning, polyfill, straw mods, tea bags, or battery mods. Just screw on - inhale.

If later, they want to try more juices or refilling, then I walk them through how to do it. But for me, even refilling these is easier once you get the hang of it (and let's be real here, there is a learning curve to all carts - whether or not they are cartomizers). Not only is it easier, it lasts longer too. I can refill a VK cartomizer and chain vape for several more hours, just like the original. No constant dripping, no juice in my mouth. And the battery quite simply stomps a mud-hole in all of my other devices, even the massive one attached to an 801. And by the way - the passthrough - mine is permanently attached to my lips.

With all this going for it, who could want more? But here's the real beauty - there is more. My favorite vendors of the VK or Kr808 (Steve at V4L and Drew at Nhaler) are truly wonderful people who care about their customers and will actually talk to you on the phone and help you make your choices. They both stand behind their products and tend to throw in very generous freebies.

So yes, JenJen and I talk about it a lot. When there is a sub-forum for this model (and there will be) perhaps we won't have to be as vocal. But even then, we will probably still try to spread the message to folks that are new to vaping for one simple reason - it is the best.

I have hundreds upon hundreds of dollars invested in other models, so I really do wish they compared on any level. They don't. If you are not yet convinced - I would be happy to sell you my other models, perhaps I can recoup some of that cost, since they will likely not be used again.:D
 
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I am under the impression my intellicig products are out of the UK. I appreciate that may not apply to every molecule of polymer in the shipments, but please correct me if I'm generally mistaken.

sea
you are correct but I doubt they make atomizers due to copyright infringement. 2 or 3 people make their own juice and mods make their own batts........so I guess 99%.
 

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I've been smoking for over 30 years so I want an e-cig that is as close to the real thing as possible.

When I first started vaping my wife and I were really interested in getting something that most closely resembled a cigarette too, once I had received it (m401) I found that the battery life or lack thereof made me search for something else.
I eventually bought a Janty Stick V2 from www.dietsmokes.com and I couldn't be happier! The battery life is approx. 4 hours, give or take.
Now, the Janty Stick does NOT resemble the "real thing" whatsoever ,but I believe it is superior in every way to the m401, not to mention Janty has and honors a 6 month warranty on products and atomizers,which is hard to find anywhere else.You may want to consider function over form as there is nothing more frustrating than an inadequate product.Just my opinion and my experience. Good Luck and Happy Vaping!:D

-Matt
P.S. I know many others are happy with the 510 and from what I understand it is a decent product.
 
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And no, no wicking issues at all.
How is that possible?

I assume, if there are no wicking issues, that you only take a drag or two every few minutes.
Those of us that use these things like cigarettes ALWAYS have wicking issues.

If you use them like a cigarette, and don't have wicking issues, then you seriously need to take that thing apart and tell us all what cartridge filler material they are using, because many of us have been searching for something that will answer our prayers.

Seriously, I'm not kidding or trying to be an ....
 

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I need help too! Didn't want to spend $150 or more before trying something. Got a No 7 (black box) disposable today (only came high nicotine) and can see where I could get really in to this and never smoke a regular cigarette again. However, these are way too much nicotine and make me dizzy. I have seen where other people have mentioned Merits. I smoke Merit (Ultima) which are less nicotine than the ultralights - but smoke a lot of them (2 packs a day - $67 a carton). I would even take the Marlboro taste if couldn't get the Merit - but these are much too bitter. Plus, I don't think I am getting the vape that some of you are. Does anyone know a disposable to try with lower nicotine and better taste before dropping a ton of money on a permanent one(realizing that permanent isn't really permanent). I too like the ones that look and feel like a regular cigarette. I know, some of you are saying - "you are already spending more than that - but I don't want to be buying the vapor ones AND having to buy the regulars too - can't afford the ones I smoke now!!! help, help, help PLEASE!
 

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How is that possible?

I would like to know as well. Even if there is in fact no wicking issues, then there has to be a heat issue. I guess if you throw away your carts then avoiding burning yourself is fairly straight forward.

I like the idea of the cartomizer, but I don't like the idea of trading paper/(cotton|fiberglass) filters for plastic and metal as something that gets thrown in the trash or on the ground.

To the original post.

I have read several posts about Vapor King. I can not personally recommend them, but I can tell you I have heard a lot of good things about them. For a 'turn key' e-cig experience they are probably the best.
 
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