I would really like to see the data on this study, effect size, if the people who developed "slightly increased number of [...] serious heart-related events was actually significant in relation to the sample. 350 doesn't seem terribly small to me, considering a sample size of 30, comes quite close to being a representative sample. I feel like they're downplaying it, this stuff might kill you, but it's better than smoking. We'll worry about the heart thing, once we can find more trace elements in e-cigs
In light of everything else - What a crock...
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I would really like to see the data on this study, effect size, if the people who developed "slightly increased number of [...] serious heart-related events was actually significant in relation to the sample. 350 doesn't seem terribly small to me, considering a sample size of 30, comes quite close to being a representative sample. I feel like they're downplaying it, this stuff might kill you, but it's better than smoking. We'll worry about the heart thing, once we can find more trace elements in e-cigs
Everything we consume and breath has an effect on our brain, as does standing out in the sunshine and making whoopee (and doing both at the same time can double the effect).
This is different than taking a medication designed entirely to artificially alter the chemical balance of your brain.
These types of alterations are usually reserved for patients suffering from various mental illnesses, which are usually brought on and sustained by an actual chemical imbalance that's then corrected through that class of medication.
I have my own serious reservations about using that class of meds to induce certain behaviours in otherwise healthy brains. ...but that's just me....
to me any psychological alteration type of drug is really bad, actually pills in general and visit to the doctors is something I generally avoid unless I have no choice lol
I tried to quit using that champix ..... last november.About to weeks in i realised that i was depressed....and having subtle thoughts of harming myself and others.
I threw out the pills i hade left and thankfully found this site and have not looked back. They really should not be letting people use that .....!
I threw out the pills i hade left and thankfully found this site and have not looked back. They really should not be letting people use that .....!
One of the side effects of Champix is depression and mood swings, along with the normal nausea, vomiting and a bunch of other side effects that many drugs have. Zyban is actually an anti-depressant. When the drug was in the testing phase, they realized that people had lost interest in smoking and some people had actually quit. Then Voila, a new smoking cessation drug is born.
IMO, whatever treatment, would it be through a hard drug or suggestive therapy such as laser, hypnosis, reading motivation books... Any treatement, if adequately done, with preparation and appropriate support are all good if someone's sincere goal is to quit smoking.
I prefer seeing e-cigs as an alternative. I enjoy smoking but not stinking and caughing and feeling weak from carbon monoxide and other poisons intake.
In that perspective, arguing about side effects of hard drugs designed for smoking cessation is a dismissed case.
I prefer seeing e-cigs as an alternative. I enjoy smoking but not stinking and caughing and feeling weak from carbon monoxide and other poisons intake.
In that perspective, arguing about side effects of hard drugs designed for smoking cessation is a dismissed case.
I agree with your opinion - in principle and only to a point:
If someone really wants to quit - whatever works - okay. But not if it endangers their life.
On the other hand - if mainstream drugs (complimentary pharma for otherwise healthy people to treat a specific issue) had the abysmal success record of Champix AND the high rate of life-threatening side effects - people wouldn't take them.
Could you imagine how many women would take birth control if it only worked on 40% of the population and created serious health issues or mental illness for the rest?
I'm from a family of medical professionals - so I'm not against pharmaceuticals - not at all. I am against the growing trend of Pharma and Doctors prescribing dangerous drugs for general consumption.
Just because one side effect - observed in some people - is the lack of desire to smoke - doesn't make that drug a "smoking cessation" product. If it did - duct tape (applied to the hands and mouth) - could also be considered effective.
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Can't imagine myself taking these pills, nic patches, bubble gums, etc. to cure an addiction that involves something physical as hand-to-mouth motion, seeing smoke production, etc.
These are scams to me just like weight pills.
These are scams to me just like weight pills.
My Dr. convinced me to try one of those "quit smoking drugs" a few years ago (sorry can't remember which one) It did help me cut down quite a bit, but after a couple weeks it started affecting my thoughts. The final straw was when I was driving home from my nephews wedding with a bunch of my family & all that was going through my mind was, "I wonder what it would be like to jump out of the car while we're driving down the highway" That's way to f#*@ed up for me, & it scared the crap out of me.
Pills gone.
This past fall that same Dr. suggested Champix, I told him the story of the last drug experience. He told me Champix is worse so not a good idea at all.
About a month ago I told him about my e-cigs, he's all about them
Just my
Pills gone.
This past fall that same Dr. suggested Champix, I told him the story of the last drug experience. He told me Champix is worse so not a good idea at all.
About a month ago I told him about my e-cigs, he's all about them
Just my
I smoked for over 25 years and NEVER had an inclination to try prescription drugs to quit. I don't have any trust in Big Pharma whatsoever. The drug's side effects are usually as bad or worse than the symptoms.
Yup gonna run to the doctor right now and get a script for those pills....I think not...lets see pills= side effects, suicidal thoughts need to have a defibrillator at the ready or 911 on speed dial. vaping= pleasure pleasure and more pleasure.Its a no brainer here
Champix, nicotine, caffine...they will all disturb our body in one way or another. I ingest morphine for medical reasons, try missing your order for that LOL. I also take prednisone and I hope my face doesn't end up looking like Jerry Lewis' or Captain Kirk's. Champix is one of those things that you really don't need to touch as long as we have...ECIGS and JUICE!! 
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I'm very sure these patches, gums, medications, what have you, would not have worked for me. I managed to make it through cold turkey for two weeks without analogs couple of months ago. It's the hand-to-mouth mechanical habit that I kept missing. No way these medications would have helped. That's where e-cigs come in and get the job done.
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