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I haven't had really any issues with the Vivi nova other than getting juice in my mouth the 2nd day, but it was easily fixable. I also haven't had an issue with it getting too hot. Once it starts getting low in the tank you do need to do a swirl and tip to make sure the wicks have juice, otherwise you get a dry/burnt hit. I also have a carto tank that I like. I have a slight flooding issue but I think I punched the holes too big on my carto, but its nice :)

Personally I would get a Vivi nova and some cartos. That way if you have tank issues, you can just fill up a carto and still be able to vape until you get the tank ironed out. Cartos are so easy to fill using the condom method.
 

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Porker: (I love your username, and taking familiar liberties with it) :)

Please forget ALL about separate cartridges and atomizers. That is ancient history; you might as well trade in your car on a nice used chariot. HORRIBLE arrangement; 'nuff said.

There is a dizzying array of "attachments" out there, for sure. They kinda break down this way:

Stand-alone atomizer:

Either specially designed for "dripping" right onto it, and using a "drip tip"/tube-and-mouthpiece affair to vape the product of heated coil and vaporized e-liquid, nearly universally-regarded as the purest form of vaping that will yield the best flavor, optimum vapor production, no off-taste from "alien" materials like polyfill or wicks; or ....

The unsatisfactory affair described above, where the atomizer section is intended to be used with a cartridge, wherein the physical process by which the contents of the cartridge are supposed to find their way into the coil of the atomizer remains to me rather a mystery; or ....

The atomizer section of something like a Joyetech eGo-T one-piece atomizer assembly or the Joyetech eGo-C ("C" for "changeable") three-piece atomizer section composed of a base, cone, and the actual atomizer "head" (available in two resistances, 1.8 or 2.3 ohm), both of which are fed by a smallish "tank", available, like the atomizer section, in either an "A" or a "B" size, "B" being the larger of the two, and the "B" sized atomizer section being straight-sided as opposed to tapered/conical to accommodate the larger tank; or ....

something like the Bulli atomizer (assembly) that takes the aforementioned Joyetech "tanks" ("tanks" in quotes as a type of dramatic foreshadowing about the inherent confusion about the term "tank", since it can refer to several different things);

and let's see ... stand-alone atomizers .... that's all I can think of right now.

Cartomizers:

As the name implies, a combination atomizer and cartridge that now comes in MANY different shapes and sizes; the most common is the roughly 3/8"/9mm diameter x 40, 45, or 50mm long "plain old" cartomizer that come in either single or dual coil configurations (please use single coils unless you have a compelling reason to do otherwise); then there are the EMDCC - (Ego Mega Dual Coil Cartomizer), Gigantomizers, Humungomizers, and my personal favorite that exists only in my imagination, the Brobdingnagomizer.

The "plain old" cartomizer can be used either by itself, or inside a "tank" that is totally unlike a Joyetech tank. This type of tank has end caps with o-rings through which the cartomizer is placed. To allow juice into it, the cartomizer is either pre-punched, or custom-punched or slotted (with a Dremel-type tool fitted with an abrasive cut-off wheel). The Smoktech DCT tank is one of the most common tanks used with cartomizers, the most common size being the 3.5ml that takes the 50mm (XL-sized) stainless steel cartomizer), and there are also the MAP, J-tank, Phiniac (beautiful, made of Pyrex/borosilicate glass), M1A1, Submarine, and a WHOLE bunch of others. Cartos in tanks are arguably a little trickier to get the hang of than something like the Vivi Nova, or the MANY other types of attachments that I'd detail at length, but won't right now. My fingers are tired. Maybe later. :)

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Cartomizers: Crystal Clear Vaping

Cartomizers: Boge Mix'n'Match (5 Box) Boge single coils .92 each

A PBusardo Tutorial - How I slot my cartos!.wmv - YouTube pbusardo slotting cartos

GotVapes VISION ViVi NOVA™ 3.5ml V2.5 REBUILDABLE TANK [gv-VIVINOVA-TANKV2.5] - $12.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more GotVapes - Vivi Nova tank

How to change out your Vivi Nova tank - YouTube Vivi Nova tank - Filling, changing heads 1:38

bulli atomizer review steve from liverpool Bulli A2-T atomizer from bulli-smoker.com - YouTube

JohnD: just wanted to thank you for this post! I'm off to check out links you listed. I'm also debating ordering provari mini or spinner to delve into vv, but still can't figure out what to order with it. I've had the ego-t tanks since I began vaping..(1100mah). My terms may not be correct, but I'm used to the vape of these tanks. But hate the attys! Too unpredictable with not great flavor. The Kanger T2 was way too hot on my lips if I dont wait forever (yea, inpatient) between vapes.. And the smoktech 2.0 single coil - well maybe I'm doing it wrong but it was really warm and tasted pretty crummy. I just stuck a drip tip on it. :) I've spent days reading forum posts and head still spinning! Lol.
 

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I haven't had really any issues with the Vivi nova other than getting juice in my mouth the 2nd day, but it was easily fixable. I also haven't had an issue with it getting too hot. Once it starts getting low in the tank you do need to do a swirl and tip to make sure the wicks have juice, otherwise you get a dry/burnt hit. I also have a carto tank that I like. I have a slight flooding issue but I think I punched the holes too big on my carto, but its nice :)

Personally I would get a Vivi nova and some cartos. That way if you have tank issues, you can just fill up a carto and still be able to vape until you get the tank ironed out. Cartos are so easy to fill using the condom method.

Thanks Doogmar! What ohm of the vivi nova? (1.8, 2.4, or 2.8?). And if I get a spinner or provari mini, that would change the ohm I'd want?

The carto you mentioned - is that the same as the smoktech 2.0 single coil I have? I tried condom method- fine I think... I don't have any cones so I just screwed on my ego 1100 batt and put metal drip tip on it. But it tasted crummy and it was also hot on my lips. Perhaps I'm just major baby! :). Wonder if anyone else has felt some of these are uncomfortably hot on the lips...? Or I don't wait long enough between vapes?
Lastly, with the cartos (if my little smoktech thing is that) - is there anything else I need to order to make it work better? thank you!!!!
 
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JohnD:
Great!!! Off to order some vivi nova's!!! But which ohm? And which ohm-age with a provari may I ask? Any other accessories needed to make work? Hate missing a part like a drip tip/mouthpiece or something. :)

What's wrong with long answers btw??? I'm grateful for everyone's help/input!!!!

The new tanks are confusing me! Like the phiniac....it's just the holder right? You need to order an atty in addition to make work, correct?
 
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The Vivi nova comes with all 3 heads, so you can use all 3, or use the one you think will match the voltage of your device. I'm just using the one that came on it...looking at the heads I put in my box it comes with the 2.4 on it, but it comes with all 3.

In terms of the cartos, yeah they are the same. Most of mine have paper wrapped around them so they don't get as hot, the bare metal ones would get hot. Also I use a drip tip on the cartos when I use them. I did notice that my metal drip tip does get warm, I prefer the plastic/acrylic (or whatever they are.)
 

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JohnD:

The new tanks are confusing me! Like the phiniac....it's just the holder right? You need to order an atty in addition to make work, correct?

That type of tank you need a carto which runs through the middle. It basically acts like a carto with a tank that keeps it wet all the time. I have a phiniac one, and like it. I have heard some of the cheaper tanks leak over time (I guess they probably all will at some point since they use a rubber o-ring that keeps the seal.)

If you get a carto tank you either need to buy cartos with holes, or punch them yourself. I bought Phiniac Tank Kit - Phiniac Rugged Pyrex Glass Tanks so I could punch my own cartos, and the tool helps so that you don't cut an o-ring with the top of the carto as you push it through. You don't need to go that route tho, some people use a saddle valve you can get from a hardware store. I just found it easier to purchase this when I bought my tank, and the puncher is easy to use. Oh also with the cartos in these tanks you'll want the all metal ones since the juice surrounds the carto at all times. I only have the wrapped ones so I had to take the paper off and get the residue glue off before I put them in my tank.
 

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The Vivi nova comes with all 3 heads, so you can use all 3, or use the one you think will match the voltage of your device. I'm just using the one that came on it...looking at the heads I put in my box it comes with the 2.4 on it, but it comes with all 3.

In terms of the cartos, yeah they are the same. Most of mine have paper wrapped around them so they don't get as hot, the bare metal ones would get hot. Also I use a drip tip on the cartos when I use them. I did notice that my metal drip tip does get warm, I prefer the plastic/acrylic (or whatever they are.)

That's right - vivi comes with 3 ohm attys! I see some sites have the 2.5 version and others the newer V3 version. Any thoughts if I should try the V3? Thanks AGAIN!!
 

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Perhaps I'm just major baby! :). Wonder if anyone else has felt some of these are uncomfortably hot on the lips...? Or I don't wait long enough between vapes?
Lastly, with the cartos (if my little smoktech thing is that) - is there anything else I need to order to make it work better? thank you!!!!
I second the recommendation for single coil cartomizers. I had used dual coils in my tanks for weeks because that is what originally came in them.

I finally figured out I could use single coil cartos in place of them. In my experience they give a less harsh and slightly cooler vape (which I prefer), the same amount of vapor and flavor, longer battery life (only one coil to power), and no more occassional burnt taste. I'm using standard resistance with my 3.7v mods, and 3.0 ohm for my Provari. No low resistance for me, thank you (too harsh).

I use these: http://www.smoktek.com/Single-Coil-XL-Tank-Cartomizer-for-the-SmokTank-XL_p_211.html

If you end up getting a cartotank, I strongly recommend that at some point soon after you buy a Slap-yo-Moma tank tool. The following video will explain all about it if you have the patience. It is undoubtedly the best purchase I've made since vaping....other than my Provari. :p

Slap Yo' Mama Adapter : Big Daddy Vapor

 
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I LOVE the Mini Vivi on my Twists (soon to be Spinners). 2.4 ohms will give the widest range of voltage from 4- 4.8 volts. 1.8 ohms is good for around 3.3-4.0 volts. I've used the regular Vivi Nova and the Mini and have found the Mini doesn't give dry burns like the regular does sometimes. Stardusts are ok but a tighter draw and it's obvious the Vivis are far higher quality.
As for the atomizer+ cartridge system it's the outdated first "tank" system and is prone to leaks. Was a great accessory when it first came out but is now surpassed by almost every other delivery device.That's the reason vendors are selling the cart/ atty system with many Starter Kits- no one's buying them and I've found many "starter kits" to have some type of weak link/ outdated equipment in the package= buyer beware.
As for deals I always wait for sales and because of delivery charges here in Canada I can't really find any good deals.

Thanks so much for the awesome recommendations and information! I greatly appreciate it! I'm thinking I'll give the Vision Spinner a try, the only thing left that I'm slightly unsure of is the tank/carto system, but I'm thinking I'll give the Vivi Nova a try. I could also use the 3 peice setup with this as well right (like battery, atomizer, and cartridge seperately)? I'm curious to know how those kind of setups work (are they as good or better than a tank system, just with less liquid capacity or is there a greater difference between the 2 that I'm just not thinking of?

Any recommendations on the best places to buy these as well? If not it's not really a huge deal to me, I just figured if someone knew of a place that was cheaper/better/faster than others then it's worth a try haha
 

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JohnD:
Great!!! Off to order some vivi nova's!!! But which ohm? And which ohm-age with a provari may I ask? Any other accessories needed to make work? Hate missing a part like a drip tip/mouthpiece or something. :)

What's wrong with long answers btw??? I'm grateful for everyone's help/input!!!!

The new tanks are confusing me! Like the phiniac....it's just the holder right? You need to order an atty in addition to make work, correct?

Very detailed answer - a cut-and-paste about all of the combinations of voltages and ohms with a VV eGo battery and the 3 different ohms of a Vivi Nova - on the way. "Watch this space". :)
 

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Thanks Doogmar! What ohm of the vivi nova? (1.8, 2.4, or 2.8?). And if I get a spinner or provari mini, that would change the ohm I'd want?

The carto you mentioned - is that the same as the smoktech 2.0 single coil I have? I tried condom method- fine I think... I don't have any cones so I just screwed on my ego 1100 batt and put metal drip tip on it. But it tasted crummy and it was also hot on my lips. Perhaps I'm just major baby! :). Wonder if anyone else has felt some of these are uncomfortably hot on the lips...? Or I don't wait long enough between vapes?
Lastly, with the cartos (if my little smoktech thing is that) - is there anything else I need to order to make it work better? thank you!!!!

JohnD:
Great!!! Off to order some vivi nova's!!! But which ohm? And which ohm-age with a provari may I ask? Any other accessories needed to make work? Hate missing a part like a drip tip/mouthpiece or something. :)

What's wrong with long answers btw??? I'm grateful for everyone's help/input!!!!

The new tanks are confusing me! Like the phiniac....it's just the holder right? You need to order an atty in addition to make work, correct?

Some people have objected to my "walls of text", but "you can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself". (R.I.P. Rick "Ricky" Nelson; really good guy).

"Garden Party" - Ricky Nelson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PECmjB9df0w&feature=related

A bit about VV, volts, ohms, and watts:

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"Variable voltage lets you be Goldilocks. She wanted her porridge just the right temperature. To get a variety of resistances of coils to just the right temperature, you need to be able to control the amount of volts that your device is delivering to it (please use only single coil cartomizers or atomizers unless you have a compelling reason to use two or more coils - you'll save battery power, and IMO get a better vape to boot). Different juices also want different amounts of heat, and there are variations among "nominal" resistances of any given device that variable voltage will allow you to compensate for.

[Simpler version: turn the knob to higher volts for a warmer vape, lower volts for a cooler vape, or to compensate for variation between "stated" resistance and "actual" resistance of a coil].

This can all be demonstrated by a very simple formula that related "Ohm's Law":

Volts time volts divided by resistance (rated in "ohms") = watts (heat) at/in the coil.

Vaping at 4 volts with a 2.0 ohm coil would give 8 watts; 4 x 4 / 2 = 8.

Consider the three heads in the Vivi Nova; 1.8, 2.4, and 2.8 ohms:

With a Joyetech eGo-C Twist, or any other variable voltage device, you can achieve any wattage you need to get a good vape, even if the "actual" resistance of the "heads" varies from the "nominal" resistance of the heads, which it almost always does.

I'd say that most people vape at between 4 and 8 watts per coil. Notice how 6 watts can be produced with a Joyetech eGo-C Twist (or any other variable voltage device) with any of those three atomizer heads. This obviously can't be done with a constant-voltage battery.

3.28 volts x 3.28 volts / 1.8 ohms = 6 watts

3.79 volts x 3.79 volts / 2.4 ohms = 6 watts

4.09 volts x 4.09 volts / 2.8 ohms = 6 watts

Again, a constant voltage device obviously cannot do this, so please do not buy one unless you MUST have a ciggie-look-alike".

Or with a Twist and a Vivi Nova with the 2.4 ohm atomizer head:

3.79 volts x 3.79 volts / 2.4 ohms = 6 watts.

4.09 volts x 4.09 volts / 2.4 ohms = 7 watts.

4.38 volts x 4.38 volts / 2.4 ohms = 8 watts.

In rounder numbers: 3.8 volts gives you 6 watts, 4.1 = 7 watts, 4.4 = 8 watts.

(In "real life" though, you just turn the knob until you like the vape).

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I have a really long post somewhere about tips and tricks for the DCT tank, I'll find that as well and post it.
 
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JohnD:
Great!!! Off to order some vivi nova's!!! But which ohm? And which ohm-age with a provari may I ask? Any other accessories needed to make work? Hate missing a part like a drip tip/mouthpiece or something. :)

What's wrong with long answers btw??? I'm grateful for everyone's help/input!!!!

The new tanks are confusing me! Like the phiniac....it's just the holder right? You need to order an atty in addition to make work, correct?

Yep, in this meaning of the term "tank", the tank is what holds the liquid, and the punched or slotted cartomizer is stuck right through the middle of it and obviously screws into the 510 connection. The tank is pretty much "wearing" the tank.

I found the earlier post:

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"To me, cartos in tanks are a solid ally in the war against cigarettes. Yes, there are better weapons, but this one is basic and reliable. [And now, I prefer the easier-IMO-to-use Vivi Nova, especially for beginners].

I'm watching a war movie right now - July 4, 2012. A platoon will have many different weapons carried by different guys. In WW2, a squad in a platoon might have had a guy with a BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle), a guy with a bazooka, a couple of guys with a light machine gun, and maybe a guy with a flame-thrower if they were on a Pacific island. All the other guys would likely be carrying the 30-06 caliber M1 Garand semi-automatic rifle, the main infantry weapon of the war. Reliable, basic, and effective.

There are plenty of better-perfoming attachments out there, but to me, a Boge single-coil carto (of a resistance suitable to the voltage and amp limit of your device) inside a Smoktech 3.5ml DCT tank is the M1 Garand in the war on cigarettes. If you can outfit your squad with the more advanced weapons, great. But make sure there are plenty of M1's around too.

This is from a post I just made in another thread, where the OP is starting out with Joyetech Twists, Smoktech tanks/cartos, a Vivi Nova or two, and maybe some clearos.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...aying-hi-looking-pointed-right-direction.html

Tips and tricks:

When filling your cartos and tanks: (After slotting it of course), lubricate the carto with a bit of juice and slide it up into the bottom of the tank, leaving enough room between the top of it and the top cap so you can squeeze in some juice without dumping any directly into the carto. That said, then drip about 15-20 drops directly into the top of the carto. Fill the tank as full as you can without having the level in the tank overflow into the carto, then slide the carto all the way up into and through the top cap.

THEN WAIT until a drop or two of juice finally drips out the 510 connector on the bottom of the carto. (During the waiting period, you can go ahead and add more drops - maybe as much as 10-15 more - but making sure that the carto doesn't develop any signs of "standing" liquid at the top surface of the polyfill. Pretty much fill it like you would water a houseplant; moist, but not soggy. This is very important for a great draw and great hit "right out of the box"). You do not want to put power to the coil before the carto is nice and moist; once the polyfill is scorched, it can't be unscorched. (I came up with that all by myself). :) As the carto "stabilizes", you'll see little bubbles coming out of the slot.

When you need to refill the tank, just pull the carto back down a bit, leaving the same gap as before between the top of the carto and the bottom of the top cap, and fill 'er up. Be careful not to pull the tank away from the bottom cap in the process. Been there, done that, cleaned up that mess. And again, be careful not to pour any juice directly into the top of the carto. After using these tanks for about half a year, I just did that again yesterday. When (not if) it does happen, just go ahead and fill the tank (after mildly swearing and oulling th carto down a bit further), and then blow through the drip tip to help remove the xcess juice that has now flooded it. After a few gentle hits that will get some juice into your mouth, the carto should begin to draw nicely again.

After maybe a few days (some lucky users say a week or more), the carto will become increasingly hard to draw through. At that point, simply put a new, properly-slotted one in. Regardless of the juice level in the tank, what I do is to simply invert the tank, push the new carto in through what is now the bottom of the tank, driving the old carto out through what is now the top of the tank. Presto.

Yes, the tanks are intended to have a top cap and a bottom cap, and might or might not have functional design elements on the "bottom" cap that would engage the flat spots on a flanged carto, but at best they barely work anyway, so I just ignore that feature and enjoy the luxury of being able to swap cartos so easily. I rarely have a problem unscrewing an unflanged carto and tank from the 510 connection, but if one does become stuck, just gently grip the top of the carto where it protrudes from the tank with a pair of pliers and turn it right out. Keeping the trim piece screwed tightly down on the 510 connectors reduces the chances of it acting like a lock nut.


Slotting cartos:

I recommend getting a little tube of 36 "Dremel Cut-Off Wheel No. 409" down at the local hardware store. They are 1mm thick, and do a very nice job. They are also EXTREMELY brittle, and if you're not careful, you will go through more of them through breaking than through their intended purpose. DO NOT leave the arbor with cut-off wheel mounted on the Dremel (or equivalent) when you're not using it. DO NOT ask me how I know this. Also consider getting a spare arbor for when you lose the little screw. Backup, backup backup.

When cutting the slot, there's obviously a trade-off between maximizing tank capacity (slot down low) and having it too damn low (insufficient juice flow into the carto). Have I made a jig yet to uniformly slot my cartos? Of course not. That would be far too sensible, and would require effort. For now, I mark them with a fine Sharpie, and err slightly on the high side.

A PBusardo Tutorial - How I slot my cartos!.wmv - YouTube pbusardo slotting cartos
 
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A little trick I came up with when filling a carto from the top (not the condom method) is to stick a wooden toothpic into the airhole. You don't have to worry about accidentally getting juice in the hole.

When refilling a tank, hopefully you've got the Slap-Yo-Moma tank tool already on the top of the carto. If not, use a toothpic again in the airhole.
 

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So I went ahead and ordered the Vision Spinner with a Viva Nova Mini ... Can't wait for it to show up to try it out! Thanks so much for all your help again guys, I imagine I'll be referencing this thread for information in the future as well! You guys are awesome!

We know. :laugh: LOLOL!

Hey, I think you're gonna love it! Can't wait to hear about it. Cheers! :vapor:
 

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Seems I'm one of the first to order and will prolly be the last to receive it...some things in life just not fair. Did try a friends last night and I really liked it.
Cheers.

So I went ahead and ordered the Vision Spinner with a Viva Nova Mini ... Can't wait for it to show up to try it out! Thanks so much for all your help again guys, I imagine I'll be referencing this thread for information in the future as well! You guys are awesome!
 

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I'm guessing I've got at least 2 weeks before it shows up ... They always get to customs in a day or 2, and then sit there for over a week before they continue along their way to me. Tracking always likes to stop updating right when it leaves for customs, and often times a few days after I've already received it, it still hasn't been updated haha
 

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Actually my last order from the U.S. 300 miles north of LA only took 6 biz days so...If it's only letter mail tracking stops once it leaves the last U.S. Sort Facility. If it's a package/ box tracking will happen. I can't really complain as shipping was under $4.00 :D

I'm guessing I've got at least 2 weeks before it shows up ... They always get to customs in a day or 2, and then sit there for over a week before they continue along their way to me. Tracking always likes to stop updating right when it leaves for customs, and often times a few days after I've already received it, it still hasn't been updated haha
 

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So my Vision Spinner and Vivi Nova Mini just arrived today! Got to try it out briefly, and so far I am impressed! It's a nice step up from the 78mm mini batteries I was using before for sure! I got the 650mah one, and with the Vivi Nova Mini, this thing is massive compared to what I'm used to! It's just a matter of getting used to it and then the old 78mm batteries will seem awkwardly small haha

Thanks again for all the help guys! I'm stuck hoping that the storm on the east coast isn't going to delay the order I'm waiting on from JuicyVapor too badly, as I am currently down to only one flavour left! :O
 
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