Indiana Call to Action - Stop the Monopoly

[zoiDman]

When should the US Attorney General's office become involved?

 

[Hoosier]

The US AG only reacts to what the administration says to, or is forced to by senate action. Either requires quite a large number of people expressing concern and outrage.

The Indiana AG pushed for the law.

 

[skoony]

Capabilities make no difference. Top notch clean labs make no difference. Nothing about this law has anything to do with safety, security, children, nor any other babble that comes out of a politician's mouth.

I have always said and believe ISO certified clean rooms are nothing more
than clever marketing on the part of vendors and a expensive impediment
on the part of regulators. Having said that I watched a video of some vendors
new ISO level 8 certified mixing lab. I was impressed to say the least.
Then I realized all the glass,filtering,gloves,masks and hairnets were more
for the protection of all that bright new shiny stainless steel automated mixing
and bottling equipment than to protect the workers or the product. I am
willing to concede that in a large volume automated factory a ISO environment
may be a good investment but not for the reasons we would assume. Surely
there is no requirement or scientifically valid reason from a sanitation point
of view for them to be mandatory for an operation that chooses to be more
labor intensive or to small to invest in such extravagance.

Regards
Mike

 

[Hoosier]

I've worked in ISO. Yes, I agree, it's more a marketing gimmick than most would believe.

I've worked in quite a number of certs and standards and respect very few.

It's one of the ways product designers get jaded...that and the strings of gun-for-hire gigs...wife doesn't understand why I do what I do, and sometimes I wonder.

 

[DingerCPA]

That's correct penny. The vape shops can sell juice if they buy it from the 6 permit holders but those 6 permit holders are in cahoots with the security company if I understand correctly so they are the enemy. So if you buy their juice the monopoly will continue. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. I won't buy any juice from any Indiana vape shop after July 1st. Luckily for me I make my own.

Ditto

July 1st will be a sad day. My local vape shop will be shutting down. They are good people, very generous with freebies and help. Excellent customer service. They will be missed.

THIS is what is so wrong about the scum-guzzling gutter slugs in this State. Useful people, trying to make a living and help out others.... Slapped in the face. Mike Pence can R.I.H. as far as I'm concerned (not only about vaping issues.....)

Angi- Cravin' Vapes is one of the six and will be selling their juices in vape shops. I'm not sure what labels the rest of the liquid producing 6 are using. From what I understand and someone please correct me if I'm wrong our local shops can have their own liquids produced and bottled by these producers. This is what I was told at my local, that their best liquids will still be available.

If you're like me and order online though you'll need to get to hoppin'. Some online places are already stopping sales to Indiana. I've got relatives out of state who can purchase online for me then mail my order to me so that's always an option to keep in mind. My very ...... off vaping sister in another state will gladly flip the bird to Indiana for me.

C.V. was the first B&M into which I walked. I anxiously awaited when its 2nd location opened right around the corner from my home. Haven't been in there in eons - will never cross its threshold again.

 

[DingerCPA]

@tmcase - you from 'round these parts?

 

[tmcase]

@tmcase - you from 'round these parts?

Yes, west central IN.

 

[DingerCPA]

Yes, west central IN.

Your Avi is misleading - there's little scenery near that pretty in Indiana (and why do I still live here? It's home....)

 

[tmcase]

Your Avi is misleading - there's little scenery near that pretty in Indiana (and why do I still live here? It's home....)

My avi is just a pic I found on the web but the likeness is similar and I love bikes. This part of IN is much prettier.

 

[Jingles]

I grew up in Indiana and my parents still live there, so I have been following this topic. What they did is like saying there's only going to be six restaurants producing food in the whole state. Two of those have never cooked or served a meal before, so no one knows if they are good or not. Their lack of consideration for what the public wants in unbelievable! When I come visit in about a month, I will bring my own supplies and pray I don't run into the juice police. Anyone know if police dogs can sniff out eliquid?

 

[VNeil]

I have always said and believe ISO certified clean rooms are nothing more
than clever marketing on the part of vendors and a expensive impediment
on the part of regulators. Having said that I watched a video of some vendors
new ISO level 8 certified mixing lab. I was impressed to say the least.
Then I realized all the glass,filtering,gloves,masks and hairnets were more
for the protection of all that bright new shiny stainless steel automated mixing
and bottling equipment than to protect the workers or the product. I am
willing to concede that in a large volume automated factory a ISO environment
may be a good investment but not for the reasons we would assume. Surely
there is no requirement or scientifically valid reason from a sanitation point
of view for them to be mandatory for an operation that chooses to be more
labor intensive or to small to invest in such extravagance.

Regards
Mike

I don't think mixing eliquid needs ISO clean rooms any more than my local bar needs one to mix me a gin & tonic.

 

[skoony]

I don't think mixing eliquid needs ISO clean rooms any more than my local bar needs one to mix me a gin & tonic.

There you go. 10-4. Affirmative. Roger dodger. Understood.
Mike

 

[tmcase]

When I come visit in about a month, I will bring my own supplies and pray I don't run into the juice police. Anyone know if police dogs can sniff out eliquid?

Too funny! My local vape shop owner told me that the cops aren't going to be checking our juice. A lot of them are vapor's themselves.


Can you imagine being stopped by a cop and he asks to sniff your juice and see the bottle so he can check the label to be sure you are vaping one of the 6 permit holders juice and then sniff your bottle? Ain't gonna happen.

 

[mcol]

I grew up in Indiana and my parents still live there, so I have been following this topic. What they did is like saying there's only going to be six restaurants producing food in the whole state. Two of those have never cooked or served a meal before, so no one knows if they are good or not. Their lack of consideration for what the public wants in unbelievable! When I come visit in about a month, I will bring my own supplies and pray I don't run into the juice police. Anyone know if police dogs can sniff out eliquid?

Me too - grew up in Indiana, parents still live there and will be visiting in about
a month. I will be driving and have full identification on me at all times so if
asked I can prove I'm not a resident and can vape whatever the heck juice
I want! I say that sorta tongue in cheek, as the police chief of my parent's town
lives two doors down and I'll be doing most of my vaping on parents' front porch.

 

[Jingles]

Me too - grew up in Indiana, parents still live there and will be visiting in about
a month. I will be driving and have full identification on me at all times so if
asked I can prove I'm not a resident and can vape whatever the heck juice
I want! I say that sorta tongue in cheek, as the police chief of my parent's town
lives two doors down and I'll be doing most of my vaping on parents' front porch.

Good idea. I'll keep my Ohio driver's license on me at all times. Do you think it's too soon to start "juice running"? It could pay for our gas to the wonderful state of Indiana!

 

[mcol]

Good idea. I'll keep my Ohio driver's license on me at all times. Do you think it's too soon to start "juice running"? It could pay for our gas to the wonderful state of Indiana!

Now there's a thought!

 

[BuGlen]

Just saw an interesting article in IBJ about the new law, and it seems that the Dem. gubernatorial candidate is making overturning the law part of his campaign.

Democratic gubernatorial candidate John Gregg said, if elected, he would seek to change new laws governing the e-cigarette liquid industry, which some vaping retailers and manufacturers have called monopolistic and corrupt.

Gregg wants review of vaping law; Senate leaders already taking a look | 2016-06-24 | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com

 

[Hoosier]

The police have no enforcement powers under this law. ATC agents are the sole enforcement body. (sometimes called excise police)
Seems odd that all these people we talked to, Greg included, are suddenly expressing interest when if they would have had any interest when we talked to them, this law wouldn't have happened.


Frickin votes might be at stake suddenly and more than just those useless Vaping scum...

 

[tmcase]

The police have no enforcement powers under this law. ATC agents are the sole enforcement body. (sometimes called excise police).

That's good to know. I was a bit worried I'd have to hide my mod while driving like I USE to hide my beer when I was a kid.

 

[tmcase]

Frickin votes might be at stake suddenly and more than just those useless Vaping scum...

Can you explain?