Inexcuable ignorance

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sherid

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Why ever would anyone think fruit flavours only appeal to children?! For heaven's sake! What flavours are supposed to appeal to adults then?? At 37, I'd go for the fruit flavours any day.

Nicorette gum comes in fruity flavors, cinnamon surge, arctic blast, etc. Is Nicorette market to children? YES In fact, in England ASH is giving Nicorette to school children to stop them from smoking. My guess is that many children will become nicotine addicts at a very young age precisely because of Nicorette.
 

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This "story" recently appeared in the news, "Group Of Wisconsin Tavern Owners Push For Smoking Ban" This is as low as you can go. Please call, fax, and email them. Tell them you are sick of their lies.
The address given on the tavernsclearingtheair.com website - 401 Wisconsin Av, Milwaukee - is the address of Smoke Free Wisconsin!
SmokeFree Wisconsin
401 Wisconsin Avenue
Madison, WI 53703
608-268-2620 (Phone)
608-268-2623 (Fax)
Nowhere on the web site does it suggest it is run by an advocacy organization dependent on taxpayer funds with specific legislative goals.The whois registration information on the domain also confirms it:Domain Name: TAVERNSCLEARINGTHEAIR.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Smoke Free Wisconsin
 

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They have posted the comments that YVilla and I made (we were 1 and 2).

I also have sent SFW an invitation by me to come and give a demonstration of the PV's, and to relay some information, research sites, ect...


We'll see if they're interested, or if they're only nic-prohibitionists.
 

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Makes me ashamed to be a Wisconsite. I just posted a comment to that effect on their site.

I plan on sending them letters as well as posting on their blog. Our PVs align with their goals, I intend to make them see this!

make them see this? Best of luck, but if I was a gambling man, I wouldn't waste a cent on the outcome. You can take a horse to water, but you can't make a health fascist accept that anyone else's opinion is worth squat.
 

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I'm just hoping that they take me up on my offer - these guys are in my backyard (Madison's a half hour drive for me...)

We need to educate the anti's - they can have their smoke free atmosphere and we can still enjoy our nic. I'm going to do my darndest to get them to see this!

I'll keep everyone posted if something does come up.
 

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It really is NOT two separate fights. It is one fight that includes both smoking and vaping. If you recognize none of the other evidence about where this fight is going, look only to the evidence posted on the SF website. Cozying up to anti smoking groups will get you nothing but eventual control over vaping. They already know all about e cigs and the enjoyment they bring. That is precisely why they object.
 

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Yes, I am really surprised, that they actually did allow all our comments to show up.

Oh, excellent job everyone on those comments!

Seconded, and I'm glad they published them. Perhaps they were just repeating the misinformation they'd been fed and will now take a more reasoned look at e-cigs.
 

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It really is NOT two separate fights. It is one fight that includes both smoking and vaping. If you recognize none of the other evidence about where this fight is going, look only to the evidence posted on the SF website. Cozying up to anti smoking groups will get you nothing but eventual control over vaping. They already know all about e cigs and the enjoyment they bring. That is precisely why they object.

Amen to that. It's just another expression of the totalitarian tendency that seems to be sweeping across all the western democracies over the last decade or so. It's a war against individualism and personal choice - nothing I have seen indicates to me that they have any interest whatsoever in negotiation or compromise.

It's not about ensuring a smoke-free environment for non-smokers - they've had that for years. It's about imposing their own views on anyone who dares to disagree with them. And if they have to lie and misrepresent the facts 'for the greater good', they have absolutely no qualms about it.

If I hadn't already been a smoker before, I'd have taken it up just to spite the *******s since the ban on indoor smoking came in over here.
 
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