Ingredients you should NEVER be vaped

[DeadbeatJeff]

Here's some background info, Coumarin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's been banned as a food additive in the US since the 1950's but finds it's way into foods via Tonka Beans from Mexican which are used for artificial vanilla flavors, and from cassia cinnamon (true cinnamon is Ceylon cinnamon). One product example is TFA's Horchata flavor which has over 10% Coumarin.

Any other TFA flavors? I use their Vanilla Swirl, also the Red Hots Concentrate (cinnamon oil... Cassia, I think, rt?). Hmm... after checking the wiki I also use a touch of Sweet Woodruff in a couple things...

On that note I wish I could find true cinnamon in the US, for food. Has many great benefits cassia just doesn't have, and tastes way different and better for a lot of uses (Thai comes to mind)

 

[Soylent_Seal]

Here's some background info, Coumarin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's been banned as a food additive in the US since the 1950's but finds it's way into foods via Tonka Beans from Mexican which are used for artificial vanilla flavors, and from cassia cinnamon (true cinnamon is Ceylon cinnamon). One product example is TFA's Horchata flavor which has over 10% Coumarin.

The LD50 of Coumarin is 275mg/kg and the German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment has established a tolerable daily intake (TDI) of 0.1.mg/kg.

This means a 5% solution of TFA horchata juice (generally suggested single flavor percentage) would have, at most, roughly 0.52mg/ml of Coumarin. Assuming a bodyweight of 81 kg (or roughly 180 lb), that would mean someone would have to vape more than 15ml of that juice per day to exceed TDI. Not impossible but probably a rare occurrence.

Anyone want to double check my math and make certain I didn't screw up a conversion or dropped a decimal anywhere?

If it has been banned by the FDA, why is TFA and their suppliers using it?

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

I think that the inhalation risk is long-term carcinogenic exposure, from what I saw on the MSDS

 

[Emilie]

Now I'm getting a little worried. I've found that cinnamon roll flavors are the easiest for me to vape all day, every day. Are you telling me I should find other flavors?

And while we're at it, I'm not educated enough to make any assumptions, so is this:
One Stop Flavors - 1 oz - One Stop DIY Shop Store
safe to vape, or should I cancel my order and move on to other flavors?

I got into vaping to try to avoid the health concerns of analogs. I honestly don't want to give up on vaping, but should I?

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

That link doesn't say what flavor you're asking about - just 1oz of one of those flavors.

I got into vaping to try to avoid the health concerns of analogs. I honestly don't want to give up on vaping, but should I?

no. still way safer than smoking.

I am also concerned about cinnamon oil though, as I like vaping it quite a lot myself

 

[RocketPuppy]

You could always go this route:
https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/componentlist.aspx?sku_search=345185

 

[RocketPuppy]

Nope. It contains acetoin.

You could always make your own extract.

 

[RocketPuppy]

whoopsie daisy

 

[Emilie]

Oops, sorry, I meant to point out that I was asking about the Baked Cinnamon Roll flavor on the OSDIYS site.

 

[RocketPuppy]

Unfortunately, it doesn't have the complete spec sheet. For msds, FDA regulations allow them to forgo ingredients that fall below a %. In terms of vaping, 1% is surprisingly compromising. I sent you a pm with more info.

 

[Emilie]

Thank you. I read it and will respond soon.

 

[Not A One]

Unfortunately, it doesn't have the complete spec sheet. For msds, FDA regulations allow them to forgo ingredients that fall below a %. In terms of vaping, 1% is surprisingly compromising. I sent you a pm with more info.

If you calculated the ppb "chemical of concern" in the juice, that is not, repeat not at all, the actual exposure level.

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

Oops, sorry, I meant to point out that I was asking about the Baked Cinnamon Roll flavor on the OSDIYS site.

I would say that a flavor like that definitely has diacetyl, acetylpropionyl, and/or acetoin, at the very least, and is therefore no good for long-term vaping. Any of the bakery/custards will have that *stuff.

 

[Heabob]

Any other TFA flavors? I use their Vanilla Swirl, also the Red Hots Concentrate (cinnamon oil... Cassia, I think, rt?). Hmm... after checking the wiki I also use a touch of Sweet Woodruff in a couple things...

On that note I wish I could find true cinnamon in the US, for food. Has many great benefits cassia just doesn't have, and tastes way different and better for a lot of uses (Thai comes to mind)

I got a 1 lb. bag on amazon, it's Cinnamon Ceylon.

 

[LoveVanilla]

If you're referring to coumarin, TFA's cinnamon flavor (sku=346749) does not contain. Also one could reasonably assume FA's Cinnamon Ceylon is coumarin free.

With regard to TFA's Horchata, one might notice that not long after beginning GC testing, TFA introduced the new Horchata Smooth. My guess? We'll soon see phase-out of the original. One cannot argue that TFA has been anything but upfront about contents.

I spent many hours working TFA's GC test results. If interested, you might want to take a look at http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/554391-my-tfas-choice-list.html#post12902844

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

confused.... TFA Red Hots flavor definitely has alcohol and essential oil, no? (is the concentrate, i.e. Cinnamon essential oil, + PGA)

edit: after checking my bottle of red hots concentrate, it is art flavors. The flavor itself though definitely has PGA

 

[Not A One]

Since Red Hots contains "natural flavor," it is likely to contain cinnamon essential oil.

 

[tayone415]

Here's some background info, Coumarin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<br />
<br />
It's been banned as a food additive in the US since the 1950's but finds it's way into foods via Tonka Beans from Mexican which are used for artificial vanilla flavors, and from cassia cinnamon (true cinnamon is Ceylon cinnamon). One product example is TFA's Horchata flavor which has over 10% Coumarin.<br/>

Thanks for the post, I use to vape an horchata flavored liquid by Illusions. I'll have to stay away from that one.

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[Mr.Mann]

Acetoin is not a diketone, and as long as it is not "contaminated with diacetyl", according to Dr.F, it is not currently on the do not vape list.

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

Acetoin is not a diketone, and as long as it is not "contaminated with diacetyl", according to Dr.F, it is not currently on the do not vape list.

the difference bewteen Acetoin and Diacetyl is the difference between OH and H.... and it don't tale much to make an H into an OH. In fact, that will always happen.