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Inserting the inner cart on the 401

Discussion in 'M-401/402 "Mini" & M403 Super Mini' started by Ez Duzit, Aug 29, 2009.

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  1. Ez Duzit

    Ez Duzit Super Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 16, 2009
    Southern California
    Can't remember where, but I read this earlier on some website talking about topping off the 410. So I thought I'd ask about it. They were saying, after you've used a paperclip to push the inner cartridge high enough to top it off, that you use the atomizer to push it back down!!!:|

    So does anyone use the atty to push down the juice cart after topping off? If not, then what do you use?
     
  2. ApOsTle51

    ApOsTle51 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Aug 29, 2008
    UK
    the same paperclip, thats what i do . just push the cart back into the mouthpiece by pushing the edge of the inner cart...
     
  3. Ez Duzit

    Ez Duzit Super Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 16, 2009
    Southern California
    I did it that way too, but it was a pain.
    The paperclip would slip off sometimes. So I made a cheap tool by snipping the end off a zip tie, which happened to be just the right width, so it's easier, but still kind of a pain. But using the atty to push it back in really is easier.

    So I figured if people are doing this regularly, then that would mean, it won't mess up the atty's and is ok to do.


    Ez :)
     
  4. ApOsTle51

    ApOsTle51 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Aug 29, 2008
    UK
    I don't do it like that , mainly because some of the inner carts are a tightish fit in the mouthpiece and i don't want to put any unnecesary pressure on that little atty bridge.
     
  5. Ez Duzit

    Ez Duzit Super Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 16, 2009
    Southern California
    Thats why I'm asking, before I start doing. ;)

    So, do you use the paper clip to push it back down?
     
  6. Satyr

    Satyr Senior Member ECF Veteran

    I find that the using the atty won't always push the cart back in all the way to the point where it bottoms out. This kind of messes up the airflow sometimes. So I stick with using the paperclip to push the cart back in.
     
  7. Houdini

    Houdini Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 12, 2009
    Las Vegas
    I can't answer the original question because I don't take the inner cartridge out to top it off. I just squeeze five or six drops from the bottle or eye dropper right down the center of the mouth piece. It goes into the filler just the same that way as it would if the inner cartridge was popped out.
     
  8. Satyr

    Satyr Senior Member ECF Veteran


    True, but after a while you need to completely remove it and dry it (and the mouthpiece) off. Plus, not everyone can be that accurate. Miss your mark and you'll get fluid in the mouth for sure.
     
  9. Angela

    Angela Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 20, 2009
    Hertfordshire, England
    Use the plastic cart stopper.
     
  10. BlueSun

    BlueSun Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 17, 2008
    Canada, brrrr
  11. Zukori

    Zukori Full Member

    I just use my atty, haven't had any problems with it.
     
  12. Ez Duzit

    Ez Duzit Super Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 16, 2009
    Southern California
    Well, I don't want to put any added stress on my atty by using it to push in the cart. They're fragile enough as it is.
    So I came up with a real easy way to get the cart all the way back into the mouth piece.
    It uses the same paperclip that most of us are carrying anyway!


    This is one of those med to big sized paperclips.
    Use the paperclip to push the cartridge up to the top of the mouth piece, just like you always do. Add however many drops you use to top off.

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    The bend in the clip is the exactly the right size to push the cart back into the mouth piece.

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    Perfect size so it actually grips the cart, but can't slip in and smoosh the wick.

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    Paper clip fits so perfectly, just a tiny push, the cart will slide right in effortlessly. Vape away. :)


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    Let me know if you found this useful?
     
  13. Jim Davis

    Jim Davis Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Yes!!!!
    Very useful EZ. And that looks like one of the *safest* ways to do it to.
     
  14. psych0path

    psych0path Full Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    Philippines
    the paperclip is definitely the way to go. If you use the atz to push in your cart you'll end up pushing the atty mesh / bridge into the chamber giving you a harder draw and juice leaking through the batty.
     
  15. Angela

    Angela Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 20, 2009
    Hertfordshire, England
    Using the paperclip method (either end), I found that it was possible (even likely) to push the cart too far down into the mouthpiece.

    Using the atty (ignoring the stress aspect of using the atty itself), I found that the bridge could go into the cart and push the filler down and the inner cart itself would not be seated fully down within the mouthpiece.

    Both methods frequently resulted in a decreased airflow and harder draw; so I repeat........
    This is always to hand and places the inner cart perfectly in the mouthpiece. :)
     
  16. PhxR0b

    PhxR0b Full Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 27, 2009
    Glendale, Az
    No adverse affects from the inner cart being closer to the atty??

    - R0b
     
  17. Pav

    Pav Super Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 26, 2009
    Detroit Rock City
    I have been using the atty to push the inner cart back in after filling. It seemed to me that filling up and leaving a bit of extra juice above the polyfill would be like dripping onto the atty. Does this seem incorrect? I'm getting good vapor this way and I also don't have any leakage coming through to the battery or out the bottom of the mouthpiece.

    I'm still pretty inexperienced at vaping though, so correct me if I'm doing something wrong that could be harmful to my M401.
     
  18. Snarkyone

    Snarkyone Super Member ECF Veteran

    What I use is a simple stir stick that I bought a while back for use with another kind of vaporizer that I own. It's the perfect diameter for the holes in the carts, and stronger than a paper clip so it won't bend on you when you run into a tough cart to push. The edge of the stir stick is also thicker than a paper clip so it is much easier to use to push it down from the edge of the insert as you do with the paper clip.

    The stir sticks I talk about can be found at Gotvape.com under accessories they have many different styles, I suggest you call to place your order rather than go with the web site price. The sales girl will give you a better price, I think I paid like $4 for it. Works perfect for this use and for it's original purpose.

    At no time, or no way would I use the atomizer for any type of "tool" other than as a heating element. Those things are fragile enough without putting added pressure on the mesh. Nope, not me I would not dream of doing that. The first atomizer I had with my original kit died after about 3-4 days because I believe it dried out really fast and just crumbled apart one time when I went to fill the cart. Moral of the story is that those things are fragile enough as it is without adding to it.
     
  19. Pav

    Pav Super Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 26, 2009
    Detroit Rock City
    These are wise words Snarkyone. I just learned my lesson about pushing down the cart with the atty like I said I was doing in a previous post. It died after a week of doing this and I compared it to a new one I have and the heating element that sticks out the top is pushed down. I'll try and take a pic later to show the difference.

    I should have listened!
     
  20. four2109

    four2109 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 9, 2009
    S. Indiana
    I just squared the bends in the large paperclip. The large bend fits my NPRO, the small one fits my 401.
     
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