Since the topic of batts is being discused...are the 18350's sold in pairs or single batt. for 5.99?
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Please disregard question I just did some price comparisons and answered my own ? Thanks
Awesome. Now if you get someone to produce a real 4 amp lavatube style PV in chrome or stainless I won't have to shop anywhere else
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ctor, more is coming then you can shake a stick at, there are so many variable being made right now that it will look rediculous soon with how many keep dropping all over the place. China caught the mod fever, lets hope they stay sick for a good long time, cause the stuff im seeing is amazing.
Yeah, I figured. I picked up a YJ chrome lavatube clone because it was decent and cheap, figuring that a few months down the line something would be here that fits my needs better.
I don't like the interface on the Provari and VMax (hell, for that kind of money, couldn't they just throw in a few more buttons
), the Darwin is ugly and doesn't fit the way I vape, but both have features I like. The LT clones are close, and the new Volcano LT 2.0 looks decent. I liked some of the ideas behind the Tox cannon, but I don't see them around and heard they had some problems.When the come out with a LavaProvDarCannon, I'll be right on it
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I had a LT but couldn't stand the voltage dropping off or the button not firing.
I'm just going to risk the red aw imrs fitting and get it. What's the worst that can happen? I have to buy more batteries? Although, I'm realizing it might have been bright of me to just go ahead and order a battery I KNOW will work. But I'm just not that bright, lol. looking forward to this alot. I was really interested in the form factor of this in the first incarnation, but since I'm not much of a HV vaper, I gave it a pass. This time I just couldn't.
From Smoktech
about gripper's vv's max amp
[8/7/2012 9:19:55 PM] SMOKTECH: i asked our PCB supplier
[8/7/2012 9:20:03 PM] SMOKTECH: PCB engineer
[8/7/2012 9:21:11 PM] SMOKTECH: he said 3amp is the MAX output current of the PCB when connect with 1.5ohm atomizers
[8/7/2012 9:22:03 PM] SMOKTECH: the 4amp that we write on the manual is the total current output of the battery
[8/7/2012 9:22:32 PM] SMOKTECH: cause when we boost the voltage, of course the current is bigger than 3amps
[8/7/2012 9:23:26 PM] SMOKTECH: That's to say, 3amp is gripper vv under load of 1.5ohm
[8/7/2012 9:24:02 PM] SMOKTECH: but 4amp or bigger amp is the device's battery's total output amps
hope this helps
about gripper's vv's max amp
[8/7/2012 9:19:55 PM] SMOKTECH: i asked our PCB supplier
[8/7/2012 9:20:03 PM] SMOKTECH: PCB engineer
[8/7/2012 9:21:11 PM] SMOKTECH: he said 3amp is the MAX output current of the PCB when connect with 1.5ohm atomizers
[8/7/2012 9:22:03 PM] SMOKTECH: the 4amp that we write on the manual is the total current output of the battery
[8/7/2012 9:22:32 PM] SMOKTECH: cause when we boost the voltage, of course the current is bigger than 3amps
[8/7/2012 9:23:26 PM] SMOKTECH: That's to say, 3amp is gripper vv under load of 1.5ohm
[8/7/2012 9:24:02 PM] SMOKTECH: but 4amp or bigger amp is the device's battery's total output amps
hope this helps
I wonder if they'll get a hint and start making pretty variable wood mods - people are nuts over them, including yours truly, but they are waaaaay expensive. I appreciate the artistry, but I'll take a mass-produced one, for lack of funds.
There is two types of current , one type is input current , that's the battery's current, it's about 4.5-5Amps, the other type is output current, that's the current with atomizer attached, it's about 3amps
[3:52:07 AM] SMOKTECH- regularly we talking about current , the current is battery's current , but because the battery is inside the tubes, so regularly customers can't test it ,
[3:52:19 AM] SMOKTECH- but we need to understand and explain
[3:54:50 AM] SMOKTECH- i ve tested our zmax under load of 1.5ohm atomizer , below is the data
[3:55:22 AM] SMOKTECH-: when set at 3.5ohm, off load volt is 3.57, under load is 3.49 volt
[3:55:55 AM] SMOKTECH-: when set at 4.0volt, offload volt is 4.1volt , under load is 3.96volt
[3:56:25 AM] SMOKTECH-: when set at 4.5volt, off load volt is 4.61volt, under load is 4.5volt
[3:56:55 AM] SMOKTECH-: when set at 5.0volt, off load volt is 5.15volt, under load is 4.85volt
[3:57:28 AM] SMOKTECH-: when set at 5.5volt, offload volt is 5.65volt, under load is 4.86volt
[3:57:55 AM] SMOKTECH-: when set at 6volt, off load volt is 6.17volt, under load is 4.88volt
[3:52:07 AM] SMOKTECH- regularly we talking about current , the current is battery's current , but because the battery is inside the tubes, so regularly customers can't test it ,
[3:52:19 AM] SMOKTECH- but we need to understand and explain
[3:54:50 AM] SMOKTECH- i ve tested our zmax under load of 1.5ohm atomizer , below is the data
[3:55:22 AM] SMOKTECH-: when set at 3.5ohm, off load volt is 3.57, under load is 3.49 volt
[3:55:55 AM] SMOKTECH-: when set at 4.0volt, offload volt is 4.1volt , under load is 3.96volt
[3:56:25 AM] SMOKTECH-: when set at 4.5volt, off load volt is 4.61volt, under load is 4.5volt
[3:56:55 AM] SMOKTECH-: when set at 5.0volt, off load volt is 5.15volt, under load is 4.85volt
[3:57:28 AM] SMOKTECH-: when set at 5.5volt, offload volt is 5.65volt, under load is 4.86volt
[3:57:55 AM] SMOKTECH-: when set at 6volt, off load volt is 6.17volt, under load is 4.88volt
Thank you Chris...
This explains the difference between the advertised amps on a device and what people were testing and reporting very well ( at least for the tech minded of us ). Knowing now that they mean input current ( battery current pulled ) vs the output current ( current at the coil ) explains a lot.
Yes, it does. It's also a little bit deceptive. Sort of like stereo manufacturers starting to quote peak power when the industry used RMS as a standard. I stayed away from companies quoting peak power. Just saying.
I actually don't think it is deceptive in this instance... it is listing the amount of amperage needed at the power supply ( ie battery ). If anything, it may indicate a need to post both input and output figures like many electrical devices do.
Ok, this from their own website:
18650 VV Gripper
18650 VV Gripper holds only one protected battery 18650 2200mah,allows 5V input voltage limit.
18650 VV Gripper PCB allows 4 Amperage output limit.
If that is not deceptive, it's outright lying.
no ctr its called china and them barely having the ability to get things across, have you read some chinese manual for ecigs. take this in the same vein, we have been speaking and said to take what im posting here as best as they could get the info across and are more then happy to get every little detail you need about their products and the amperage.
they have no issues changing any wording to match exactly what needs to be said
they have no issues changing any wording to match exactly what needs to be said
China also understands marketing and manipulating specs to make their products look attractive. They've done it in other industries. Maybe I'm being overly critical, but I've seen them manipulate specs in other industries too.
Maybe it's a coincidence, but maybe it isn't.
Maybe it's a coincidence, but maybe it isn't.
I have seent hat as well and agree to an extent., but not when it comes to ecigs as much as you might think, like i said, they make great products yet cant make a decent manual, they get info form one engineer and the translations arent spot on, info is passed form one person to another and then gets to us, not everyone deal with the engineers and most deal with the order taker so getting full specs isnt easy, but smoktech is hiding nothing and saw your posts here and dropped that info for you to have which is also semi chinglish, if there is any full details you want for any smoktech product you can ask for it and they will give it, if something they give still seems off then ask for a clarification so they can get that for us.
i get what your saying ctor but in this instance and with vision as well, they hide nothing info wise, its just getting that info in full detail that sometimes takes a little while to get. the replies you saw about from smoktech was what one was told to report to you and anytihng else you want to know in detasil will be given, so i would call that deceptive at all, they want to help you all
i get what your saying ctor but in this instance and with vision as well, they hide nothing info wise, its just getting that info in full detail that sometimes takes a little while to get. the replies you saw about from smoktech was what one was told to report to you and anytihng else you want to know in detasil will be given, so i would call that deceptive at all, they want to help you all
The other thing to take into account, numbers don't tell the entire story regardless of how accurate or inaccurate they are. Swapping the same carto/juice between a few different PV, I have to say this thing hits HARDER. By quite a margin than the numbers say on comparing devices if that makes sense. Granted, I am not pushing the max on those, but comparing this to the TOX, and the dongle, and the telescope (no numbers just a battery with a fresh charge), and the newest little alpha dongle. I can't remember the acronym that this has (PWM?) but it does seem to feel different than others. My word for what it is worth anyways.
I agree the gripper does seem to hit harder. Same as the Rocket. Gotta be that star trek like warp speed pulse it's putting out.
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