Is anyone a non smoker before starting vaping
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That's awesome to hear that it helped you move away from snuff. Kind of neat that in the end you're body just wants the nicotine intake and that you can kick other tobacco habits.
I know a guy and his mom that didn't smoke but vape because they say the nicotine helps their bronchial tubes somehow because they suffer from asthma or something or other. I'm not sure. They swear that vaping at 6 mgs. nic has made them able to no longer require using their inhalers. Nic apparently does work good in some ways. I'm not sure on all the specifics though so don't quote me on it. But they do love vaping at 6 mgs. nic.
Honestly I can see some truth behind that. Asthma is an obstructive disease, meaning it's actually harder to get air out than in, so nicotine helps with vasoconstriction which could help get air out. Not saying it's proven but from a medical standpoint it makes sense to try it.
I don't see why anyone would go from being a non-smoker to vaping to smoking actual cigarettes, you get an identical effect from vaping (without all the adverse health effects) compared to analog. Doesn't the Gateway Theory usually imply that the reason one moves on to a more "dangerous substance" is to experience a more intense effect, not an identical one?
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I don't think it's BT we need to concern ourselves with, or even BP (that's Big Tobacco (the tobacco industry) and Big Pharma (pharmaceutical industry) for you newcomers). It's the ANTZ, the puritanical zealots (or BC, Big Control, as I've seen them referred to). Remember She Who Must Not Be Named who counted up the posts on "adverse reactions" on this forum and actually published a report saying the numbers proved that ecigs are bad for you?
And yes, I am somewhat surprised by the number of new non-smoking-vaping members who've shown up on this thread, and elsewhere recently too. Objectively, it could be nothing more than the beginning of a new trend. However (and again, no disrespect to members who are honestly exploring the vaping alternative), I'm adding tin foil to my shopping list and locking and loading my eGo... Constant vigilence!
Yeah within my group of friends a few vape 0mg nicotine just to replace other things that they like to smoke from time to time like cigars or pipe tobacco.
Very good point, Gematria, I'm glad you made it! Indeed, what the ANTZ don't seem to realize (perhaps because none of them were/are smokers or vapers? perhaps because they don't talk to smokers/vapers?) is that smokers/vapers generally self-regulate their nicotine level, which is different for every individual. They don't seem to get it that for 99.99%* of smokers/vapers, it's not about smoking, it's about nicotine. This is one of the benefits of vaping, the ability to alter your nicotine level at will and according to your own preference.
ANTZ just don't get it! What's more, they don't WANT to get it!
*Taking the ANTZ way, I made up that statistic.
ETA: Re self-regulating the nicotine level: As opposed to a "gateway," which supposes a person builds up a tolerance to something and must therefore seek higher and higher levels, as Gematria said, a nicotine user will find their preferred level and stick to that, without seeking "more."
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Well, there is one issue with that whole idea that I hadn't thought of:
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If someone starts out with 0 mg of nicotine with vaping, then actual tobacco could in fact present a more -intensified- effect, but then I guess one could ask why they would even want a more intense effect of an effect they haven't even experienced to begin with (as you mentioned: One builds up a tolerance to something and then seeks higher and higher levels, but it needs an initial point to even begin being a gateway effect).
Also thanks, I'm glad to have become a part of this community, you all seem very passionate both about vaping and your cause.
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And this is why I feel like such a hypocrite when I frown on nonsmokers taking up vaping. All exsmokers were once nonsmokers who probably would have chosen vaping first had it been an option, we all chose to take up cigarettes knowing it was bad for us. I prefer everyone vape rather than smoke if those are the only options. I don't tell people not to drink alcohol or coffee or take up any other risky vices, I believe if you go into it aware of the risks then it's totally your choice what legal vices you want to engage in. If nonsmokers want to vape, even with nicotine, that's totally their right because it's their body, their own fresh pink baby lungs at risk.
But damnit, that's just fuel for people to say "Look how vaping makes nonsmokers want to use nicotine, look how they think it's cool and hip and they love the gadgets! Look how people under the legal smoking age get in on it, and look how easy it is for minors to get their hands on vaping stuff!" Saying it's safer than tobacco makes it appealing, so logically more people will be willing to try it than tobacco. None of us would have started smoking if it hadn't been appealing in some way, and that appeal's increased tenfold with vaping. So I feel terrible, because it's not for altruistic reasons I don't want the non-tobacco users to vape, I know some will no matter what, just like I know some nonsmokers will become smokers. I'm not really worried about your health, guys, I'm selfishly worried you'll make things legally more complicated for me.
So do me a favor and lie to me. Tell me you'd be smoking two packs a day if you weren't vaping. Tell me "I never smoked, but I continue not to smoke at all because I vape." That would make me feel better for several reasons.
Re ANTZ: It doesn't matter how many objective facts you hand them on a silver platter. They're not objective thinkers but strictly subjective ones. You can't reason with someone whose beliefs were never based on reason to start with.
Interesting debate between vaping as harm reduction for current smokers OR an acceptable safer alternative for introducing nic into your life. Hmmm... hard to say how I feel about that latter.
I'm so caught up in my own interests that I hadn't though a lot about the other side. As vaping becomes widely available it will certainly lead to more people getting into the vaping habit without ever touching cigs or dip.
OTC nic replacements are everywhere but I don't think that leads to a bunch of introductions to the nic world. Vaping is much much sexier than chewing on a nasty piece of nic gum so that need
I suppose I need to take introduction into more consideration. Whether I think it's good or bad won't matter. The more vaping gains popularity the more first timers will get involved. I suppose the good side to that is the fact that anyone who takes up vaping and forms a habit is the same type of person who could easily form a habit smoking. Getting the powers to be to see it the same way is a whole nuther story.
I'm so caught up in my own interests that I hadn't though a lot about the other side. As vaping becomes widely available it will certainly lead to more people getting into the vaping habit without ever touching cigs or dip.
OTC nic replacements are everywhere but I don't think that leads to a bunch of introductions to the nic world. Vaping is much much sexier than chewing on a nasty piece of nic gum so that need
I suppose I need to take introduction into more consideration. Whether I think it's good or bad won't matter. The more vaping gains popularity the more first timers will get involved. I suppose the good side to that is the fact that anyone who takes up vaping and forms a habit is the same type of person who could easily form a habit smoking. Getting the powers to be to see it the same way is a whole nuther story.
wow go to sleep and wake up to 4 more pages of comments thanks all for the comments. I am not interested in the nicotine introducing part of vaping. I enjoyed the feeling of puffing the smoke the few times i have smoked any type of tobacco. So my feeling were the times when i felt like i wanted to have a beer and puff some smoke i would not do it because of the risks involved in smoking tobacco. while with a e pipe or what ever was thinking about getting i don't have to worry about it as much on those few hits i take a week. Thanks for all the discussions about this i think its wonderful to have so many people concerned about mine and people like me's well being.
I am an ex-smoker (quit about 12-13 years ago). My husband started smoking recently. Started outside of the house and would fib to me when I asked if he was smoking - like I couldn't smell or taste it!! Then, he smoked one in the house and fibbed about that - when I walked in the house it was like being hit in the face with a baseball bat - YUCK! 
I laid down the law of no smoking in the house - especially because we have a new baby bird and they are highly sensitive to any kind of fumes in the house.
I first picked up an Njoy for him to see if he would use that and it didn't go over too well. He then found a friend at work who turned him onto Totally Wicked (a couple of blocks from his workplace) and he bought an inexpensive kit. I then got interested in trying it so I did and then found out there were flavors... and there you have it..... a new vaper is born! But me, not just going about things the simple way have moved up the ladder and within a month I'm on an evic and totally into this stuff. I had forgotten how much the nicotine was a nice way to calm down during or after a hard day and it's a great appetite suppressant (when I was a smoker I was stinky, but damn I was skinny!).
Hubby still picks up the analogs but now that he has tried the evic (just got it the other day), he really loves it. He calls it "the crack pipe" so I promised him if he would be a good boy and stop the analogs, I would buy him an evic this weekend when I get paid.
Love the flavors, love being able to vape in the house and not harm the furbabies (and the fid - that's a feathered kid), and not stink up the car!
I laid down the law of no smoking in the house - especially because we have a new baby bird and they are highly sensitive to any kind of fumes in the house. I first picked up an Njoy for him to see if he would use that and it didn't go over too well. He then found a friend at work who turned him onto Totally Wicked (a couple of blocks from his workplace) and he bought an inexpensive kit. I then got interested in trying it so I did and then found out there were flavors... and there you have it..... a new vaper is born! But me, not just going about things the simple way have moved up the ladder and within a month I'm on an evic and totally into this stuff. I had forgotten how much the nicotine was a nice way to calm down during or after a hard day and it's a great appetite suppressant (when I was a smoker I was stinky, but damn I was skinny!).
Hubby still picks up the analogs but now that he has tried the evic (just got it the other day), he really loves it. He calls it "the crack pipe" so I promised him if he would be a good boy and stop the analogs, I would buy him an evic this weekend when I get paid.
Love the flavors, love being able to vape in the house and not harm the furbabies (and the fid - that's a feathered kid), and not stink up the car!
I have a friend who occasionally smoked cigars, hooka and would take a couple drags off my analog every once in awhile. She ended up getting a starter setup and 0 nic. Her main reason was a hand to mouth fixation. When she reads or surfs the Internet she would constantly be eating. At the vape store the employee tried very hard to talk her out of getting her kit. She got it anyway and hasn't smoked since. She said its helped her a lot and she feels better about herself. Her mom constantly makes fun of her about her weight and since she started vaping she hasn't been mindlessly snacking like she was before and has lost weight. She hasn't lost that much but the scale going down instead of up has been good for her.
I was mislead a bit. I'll explain and as a "non-smoker" you, most likely, have not encountered this attitude. When it comes to smoking, there is no such thing as a "social smoker." That kind of break is only given to drinkers. And rightly so as it has to do with quantity and health-damaging affects. Due to the extreme prejudice toward smoking/smokers, quantity is not considered. If you smoke one cigarette every six months, you're a smoker... period... whether the amount would or wouldn't harm you is a non-issue in the medical community, insurance underwriting and socially... you're a smoker. So, now understanding a bit more... you are, in fact, considering vaping as an alternative to smoking just as any smoker here has. So, yes, vape instead.
Edit: I bet, when asked at the doctor's office, about smoking and your reply is you don't. If, instead, you answered, yeh, I smoke once a month or so when out with my buds, your medical records would say you're a smoker. My advice is: don't even tell them you vape when answering routine questions (barring a serious medical issue) if you decide to do that instead because none of us knows where this is headed and what the ANTZ are going to be able to accomplish. The prejudice is there with it and the insurance companies (the gov't soon to be one) still want more of your hard-earned money.
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My fiance's brother was a Non Smoker before he started vaping, he's 21 now, and started to have something to do instead of going through two 12 packs of soda a day.
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