Is anyone concerned?

[kristin]

The worst thing the FDA found in their testing was less than 1% DEG in ONE Smoking Everywhere cartridge (the other 17 samples didn't have that) and some trace amounts of nitrosamines - in levels at or less than what is FDA-approved for food & nicotine gum/patches. These were Chinese-made cartridges.

Do they know what is in their tobacco cigarettes, made here in the good old U.S.A.?

Tar, arsenic, ammonia, carbon monoxide and copious amounts of nitrosamines, toxins and carcinogens at known high-risk levels that are proven killers.

Knowing that, who is taking a greater risk - you or them?

 

[cassavetes]

China has a great track record when it comes to inhalants.

 

[kristin]

Thought I'd share this post - with the pics:

Over in the new member's section there's a thread about whether we (e-cig users in general, not just V4L) should be concerned that our e-liquid is manufactured in China. The original post is:

Is anyone concerned?[/url]


I can't answer there, so I thought I'd post my reply here. WITH PICS!!!

First off, while sanitation is, and should be, a reasonable concern with ANY consumable goods, the particular paranoia over Chinese goods is at least a little xenophobic, and even a bit racist. Sure there have been high profile cases of contaminated goods, but compared to the sheer VOLUME of consumable goods made in China for the US, they are such a MINUTE fraction as to be almost inconsiderable. And it's not as if the US has never had serious incidents of contaminated goods or foods before. Salmonella salad, anyone?

But setting that aside...

Our manufacturer of course has certificates up the yin-yang, but in the end, as far as I am concerned, those are just pieces of paper. The real proof is in the pudding; ie, their procedures, so I thought a few pics would help reassure people.

I took a tour of our liquid manufacturer last week, and I was very impressed with the cleanliness and sanitation of the plant.

The liquid manufacturing facility, is isolated from the rest of the factory. To enter, everyone has to don lab coats, masks, hairnets, and plastic booties.

The entrance to the Clean Area.

(That little box on the floor to the left of the door is a device that wraps a palstic bootie over your shoe automatically. You just step into the box, and *snap* you've been bootied! )

Next, you have to step through a "clean room" type airlock, where these high pressure blowers spray sanitizer on you.

The airlock is at the end of a changing room where you don the labcoats.

Me in the airlock.

Inside, the floors are covered in a sanitizer, and everything around you is spotlessly clean.

Seriously, I've been in food plants that didn't have this elaborate a procedure.

Oh, and this isn't related to cleanliness but... am I the only one green with envy of THIS charging station?

 

[Ez Duzit]

That all if not part of the juice we buy is manufactured in China? I went to a party last night and a few people asked me this question, which made me begin to wonder. None of the smokers at the party wanted to try my e-cigarette, they were all concerned about how it is manufactured and how clean the facilities were. I cannot find a manufacture in the USA that does not use at least one product from China. Does this concern anyone or are my friends making me paranoid? At least here in the USA things are regulated, ok maybe not the best system but I am sure much much better than China. We have no idea what these manufacturing plants look like, if they are sanitary, etc.

Any thoughts on this?

My first thought after reading this was what the heck are you saying when you explain your e-cig, that would prompt that kind of question, instead of all the normal questions that usually get asked? Maybe it's just me, but I've explained my e-cig to sooo many people, and been asked tons of questions. And I just can't imagine anyone asking a question like that, so something you said must have triggered that.
It's all about the way you present it.
But I guess the important thing is, now you have plenty of good answers to give your friends. If you really want to shut up the naysayers, do the napkin test with them. Most of us have seen this before, but if you're not familiar with it, have one of your friends exhale smoke through the napkin while it's held tightly to their mouth, and then show everyone the icky, nasty brown colored tar & sediment stain. Then do the same thing with your e-cig, which will leave no discoloration at all, and let them see the difference themselves. Once they've seen that, just point to the napkin, and very seriously ask, "which nicotine delivery system do you honestly think is more likely to cause problems?"

 

[ZoSo15]

I was gonna ask if anyone else was offended by this racism earlier, but I didn't want stir the pot.

 

[alvitae]

This is about place, Not race. Even if it was racist would that change the facts of lead paint/toxic chemicals concerns people may have?

I've had several people when they've seen my PV tell me they heard they have radiator fluid in them.

 

[umop apisdn]

That's one of the reasons I'm glad I decided to go with vapor4life. Leaford is in China as we speak at the factories involved in making the products. Hardware and juice. This is an extended trip - 3 months I think. He is going over quality control and improving the products. These guys use this stuff themselves and want the best for them and for all of us. They want to make sure that we have the best quality, best performance and the safest products to use so everybody keeps on smilin.

Kathy

Wow, Leaford really outdoes himself... I'm glad there's people like him on the supplier's side!

 

[umop apisdn]

I was gonna ask if anyone else was offended by this racism earlier, but I didn't want stir the pot.

Not sure racism's the right term. No one is afraid of Chinese products because they hate Asian people. Well, I can't speak for everyone, but it is common knowledge that standards in China are different from those in America. Add that on the lead paint used in children's toys made in China, and a prominent black market for many products, the fears are well founded.

I could bring up economics too, but I'll opt out.

I fail to see how that's even beginning to approach being racism. Xenophobia is more appropriate.

 

[donal]

like the pictures from leaford very reashureing
i mean come on you could smoke horse crap and it would be far less dangerus than cigs
the tobacco plant is bad but by the time they ad all the prservitive and other chemicals for turning the plant into what we call tabaco thats a hole difrent story

 

[umop apisdn]

like the pictures from leaford very reashureing
i mean come on you could smoke horse crap and it would be far less dangerus than cigs
the tobacco plant is bad but by the time they ad all the prservitive and other chemicals for turning the plant into what we call tabaco thats a hole difrent story

I wouldn't say that the preservatives hurt any more than inhaling smoke actually. The combustion of the natural plant (even grown organically) produces all of the carcinogens you find in smoke. The CO and CO2 damage your circulatory system. The heat and the 4000 chemicals found in smoke (without additives!) destroy your lungs. In fact, burning almost any plant matter does that to you. Smoking gets the bad rap because it's done frequently over a long period of time. The tobacco itself isn't as dangerous itself.

 

[potholerepairman]

Buying from china is worry free in my book.I asked a friend if he would take the nicotene vacine that would last 12 months that might come out in a year(company out of maryland).He used "vacines are not safe" as an excuse.One thing i know if it does get approved a lot of kids will be getting those vacines for their parents for mom and fathers day presents.The gov gave this company like 10 mil for final testing like a month back, after vaping I might not take that shot either.Sorry to get off topic my real reason to post is people are frightened of change ,pure and simply.If your actions threaten what they love you are the enemy a lot of the time.Bartenders seems to want to know all about em and where to get them too.They are the front line worriors who see analogs do damage up close and personal,not doctorish but close.

 

[cashresolution]

I know from experience that some people are VERY choozy. They purchase kits all the time, and all their friends, but when it comes to juice, they get their juice from a supplier that makes it in the US. I keep tellin' them that if it wasn't for china, alot of things would not be here. I also agree about the government. They know that the US is the money, and they do not want to mess that up. Then their economy would be bad just like ours

 

[catlvr]

I am not worried at all. In fact I feel thankful to them. I would be far more concerned if they had come from BT or BP. I don't trust them at all! Never have, never will.

 

[me who]

They have executed people in China for creating, selling and exporting tainted food.

Seems pretty important to the Chinese government to implement such sever penalties.

I can't say the same for any other country.

I'd have to agree...

 

[DarKm4773r]

How could I be concerned? 98%(Rough guesstimate on my part, lol) of the chemicals in analogs are unknown to the general public and I don't think that the FDA wants to unveil the others, in fear that nobody will smoke anymore. I trust the Chinese more-so than our government for quality control.... plus, they made orange chicken.... I love orange chicken.

 

[darkmatter22]

How could I be concerned? 98%(Rough guesstimate on my part, lol) of the chemicals in analogs are unknown to the general public and I don't think that the FDA wants to unveil the others, in fear that nobody will smoke anymore. I trust the Chinese more-so than our government for quality control.... plus, they made orange chicken.... I love orange chicken.

first off.... nice name... we have something in common. we both be leave in fake stuff like darkmatter. second..... ya i agree FDA is beeing a xxxx about this

 

[Shadowdr]

The worst thing the FDA found in their testing was less than 1% DEG in ONE Smoking Everywhere cartridge (the other 17 samples didn't have that) and some trace amounts of nitrosamines - in levels at or less than what is FDA-approved for food & nicotine gum/patches. These were Chinese-made cartridges.

Do they know what is in their tobacco cigarettes, made here in the good old U.S.A.?

Tar, arsenic, ammonia, carbon monoxide and copious amounts of nitrosamines, toxins and carcinogens at known high-risk levels that are proven killers.

Knowing that, who is taking a greater risk - you or them?

The DEG found in the juice was probably from the tobacco used to make the flavoring. DEG is a humacant used for tobacco products in the U.S., a common practice here. The Chinese are a very moral people and will not do the wrong thing if ordered by their boss to do so. I wish we could say the same thing for American employees. What about the FSC in cigarettes? I don't think that the FDA did any studies before it was put into ciggs for the general population, if there was any testing I could not find the evidence. It would not surprise me if in a few years more deaths were caused by the FSC then whatever else is in cigarettes. Whenever the govt mandates something like this you should really worry, smokers are expendable.

I now mix my own but it is because it is much cheaper since they started charging more for higher MG's.

 

[nicotime]

Is there anything thats NOT made in China...tell your buddies the fuel in their lighters is processed dog farts from China.

 

[Beer Man]

I would love to reply in an honest and open manner, however rules of the forum prevent me from doing so. A LARGE group of friends and colleagues buy pharmaceuticals (legally prescribed) from China. Think performance enhancing. If their ejuice is anything like their other products, we will be safe. I'm betting on it.

 

[Madame Psychosis]

I would love to reply in an honest and open manner, however rules of the forum prevent me from doing so. A LARGE group of friends and colleagues buy pharmaceuticals (legally prescribed) from China. Think performance enhancing. If their ejuice is anything like their other products, we will be safe. I'm betting on it.

You're absolutely right and it's much more than just that subsector of pharma. An enormous proportion of the pharmaceuticals we consume in the U.S. are manufactured in China.
Much as they don't consider it with processed foods, people don't realize how globalized our consumption already is in general.
Provincialism strikes me as out-of-place here. It has to come from a prior total lack of curiosity about what we've already been putting in our bodies.