Is anyone else sick of how difficult vaping can appear to be when you first start?

[Kopfstimmen]

This is why I think the future of vaping, as it becomes more popular, will continue to be centered around the njoy, Blu, e-Swisher models will be the bigger part of the overall experience. e-Swisher doesn't even sell online. The sheer complexity (and expense) of finding an alternative works against the practice. Convenience will win out. We all dealt with the logistics of keeping cigarettes in stock but even there a majority buy by the pack vice cartons which is relatively more economical and so on.

Disagree. This is a whole forum full of people, we are the forefront of vaping, and I'm willing to bet that less than 20% of us use the brands you mention. E-swisher? Never heard of it, probably because they don't sell online. There will always be those like us - I guess some might think of us as the "roll your own" crowd, when compared to the people that buy Njoys, but the advantage of superior performance definitely wins over convenience when you're talking about vaping. Njoy (I'm only picking on it because it's the only one I tried,) might be a start, but it's definitely not the end of the journey. I don't even want to think about the advisability of "disposable" batteries in the hands of the lazy or non-recyclers.
Regarding convenience, I have a couple of clearos. I put a little juice in them in the morning, which takes about 30 seconds. When a head is bad, I unscrew it and put on a new one. A minor inconvenience, yes, but since I buy about ten at a time, and each one lasts me at least a week or two, it's much less inconvenient than buying a new pack of smokes every day, looking for a place to put my cigarette ...., etc.

 

[mtw4shore]

I believe that there is a learning curve with most things in life, or should be. Take music for example. You want to play the guitar, so you go buy a second hand guitar to start. You learn some chords and build some calluses. Your friend has a good Gibson and you like it. You buy one and play for a while, maybe a year, maybe more. You then buy a Les Paul, play. Then you buy another, then another.
Vaping is the the same. You start with a Blue or something. Then you get an eGo with a clearo. Then you get a Vivi, then a Kanger, then a carto tank, then a RBA, etc. You might get a VAmo, then a Provari. pretty soon you have a collection.
Or, you might stop at the Gibson and be happy.
Vape on!

 

[lissa5168]

I still like what VapeTeam says ... "Whatever keeps you off the cigarettes is the best thing."

Everyone is different, that's WHY there is so much out there. I like variable wattage with Vision Novas (reg and mini) and Protanks mostly with fruit and dessert flavors. Hubby doesn't want variable anything, only likes Mini Novas, and won't even look at it cross-eyed if it's not a straight tobacco flavor. I like to tinker, he likes to puff and go. I want a box mod (like an MVP or Tmax), he says he won't be seen in public with me if I'm carrying it, lol.

 

[Tebo]

Protanks last me longer than a 3.5 vivi nova. I clear a 3.5 nova in a day, sometimes twice. I can't quite clear a protank in a day. Harder for me to chain vape it, satisfies me a lot quicker

 

[Patrick O'Brien]

Okay, this is very true. I have VAD, and I keep buying stuff. Right now I am in my lets try every juice around phase, but I am mellowing out and have found some nice ADV juices that I can see myself sticking too. I just went on a ordering binge from mtbake for everything strawberry. I was on a vanilla kick, but now I want some creamy strawberry goodness, and I am determined to find it.

 

[jimbol]

Disagree. This is a whole forum full of people, we are the forefront of vaping, and I'm willing to bet that less than 20% of us use the brands you mention. E-swisher?

I understand your point and you’re right. This is the forefront of vaping. Forums, be it this one or one on chess or one on smoking cigarettes (there are two I know of) are “preaching to the choir”. The people here are mostly interested in pursuing vaping beyond the minis and all their limitations. This is what forums are best at doing.

However, from the reading I have done in news and business news we still are a minority of the vaping market. The number varies slightly source to source but the ecig, prefilled business is about 80 to 90% of the marketplace. Njoy and Blu each reportedly have roughly 30% each of that market. Blu claims 49% but I haven’t seen anything else to confirm that. Of a projected $1 Billion dollar business in 2013, Blu reported $57 million in the first quarter (SEC filings). That works out to $200 million for the year or 20% of the projected market. Njoy is privately owned so it is more difficult to get any firm number from them.

We aren’t their market. It’s that person running in for a pack and sees an alternative on the counter.

A new person that does find this forum and asks a (seemingly) simple question is indundated with information beyond their understanding. All well-meaning but it is overwhelming. Then they are repeatedly told what a bad mistake they made with their initial choice. I’m surprised at the return rate frankly. I wonder how many drop completely away from vaping.

e-Swisher, by the way, is the Swisher Sweets small cigar company. They have put some disposables out in stores and I read one article that indicated they are in some sort of business discussions with the V2 folks.

 

[Faylool]

My most convenient set up is a passthrough but it now comes in a portable at vapr4life but that portable might be bigger. I cant tell. May be a lot bigger. So ill tell you about my passthough thingy. Its a 808 1 cig a like size except longer. 5 volt. I use Kanger horizontal coil ( bottom) 3 ohm. Fill a 5 pack properly and when hits weak put on the next one. Dont over fill. I use the auto. The zues is auto or manual. Im not getting it YET but its next. Might not have the battery life i need in reality despite the claims. Kanger puts out the right size too, no adapters.

I see so many postings about getting a set up and what works vs. what doesnt, so I thought I would share my 2 cents on what works for me. I am not big into voltage and twisting things, nor do I care about having the "coolest" things on the market. I enjoy vaping, but its not huge focus, just something I want to do instead of smoking. I want my stuff to work when I want to vape, no questions. Here is what I suggest, especially if you are new and want to get started and enjoy your liquid.

First of all, Get some Ego batteries, and a passthrough (allows you to vape while it charges, then get some vivi nova (mini) tanks with some extra atomizer heads. You can clean these out when they dont operate properly, which is a must when you use VG juice, which is what I use because PG gives me a headache and stuffy nose. Next, find some quality juice and ALWAYS stay away from the super dark juices. I dunno what flavors you like, but Johnson's Creek, High Brow, and MtBaker all make some fantastic VG liquids that tend to be thinner. If you want, you can add 2-3 drops of distilled water.

When you clean your tank parts, soak the atomizers in alcohol for 24 hours, since you have extras, this is not an issue. After that, boil the suckers in distilled water to remove the ethanol and impurities. Let them dry, they are ready to reuse for many, many cycles. Keep your battery head terminals clean with qtips and always have back ups read and chraged. The passthrough helps to ensure you can constantly vape.

When you first fill a tank, before you screw onto battery, take a few long sucks to draw up the juice and start the wicking process. This is all you need to do to have a positive vaping experience and to enjoy this whole thing. You dont need fancy mods or batteries, glass heads that tell time and sing you to bed at night, or any of that. Just get some joytech batteries, make 1 a pass through, and some mini nova tanks..................viola.

And one more thing, I dont like the Kagner tanks at all. They have an airy draw that can give you a headache from sucking so hard. They also leak and I have never had luck with them.

I promise if you take my advice, you will enjoy vaping. You dont need expensive "mods" or batteries, or any of that variable voltage stuff. It complicates it all to unnecessary levels and gets confusing. I like to fill, puff, refill, sleep, and then puff again. I dont have time for problems or crap.

What have you all found to be the best intro to vaping equipment? I think if it appears too complicated, it can turn potential vapors off as its easier to just go to the gas station and buy a pack of regular ciggs. When I first got here, I was so confused with all the terms and talk about wattage and voltage. Who has time for it?

 

[steven36]

V4l vapoe Zeus and smlomizer just fill and go

 

[Faylool]

Ha ha. I just bought it now because Memorial Day special. From 89 to 54 plus free shipping. Usually i hate shipping on that site. But this is not the kit. You need a 2 amp charger adaptor be advised. Most are 1.5 or 1
I still will just use kangers 3.00 ohms. Flavor vapor for a carto. Just draw to your delight. Havent tried their smolizer or whatever. But their wows are just boge i think and the boge are adequate but kanger good

 

[OhaiKrikket]

What have you all found to be the best intro to vaping equipment? I think if it appears too complicated, it can turn potential vapors off as its easier to just go to the gas station and buy a pack of regular ciggs. When I first got here, I was so confused with all the terms and talk about wattage and voltage. Who has time for it?[/COLOR]

We bought Halo G6 starter kits with blank cartos, and liquid sampler packs. They arrived on a Friday. We were using them pretty regularly by Saturday morning. It took me about another week to give up the analogs entirely.

Although all the mods and shinies are interesting, a basic KR808D-1 starter kit is pretty much as simple as it gets. And at first, what you need is something functional - not something fancy.

 

[Ref Minor]

I understand your point and you’re right. This is the forefront of vaping. Forums, be it this one or one on chess or one on smoking cigarettes (there are two I know of) are “preaching to the choir”. The people here are mostly interested in pursuing vaping beyond the minis and all their limitations. This is what forums are best at doing.

However, from the reading I have done in news and business news we still are a minority of the vaping market. The number varies slightly source to source but the ecig, prefilled business is about 80 to 90% of the marketplace. Njoy and Blu each reportedly have roughly 30% each of that market. Blu claims 49% but I haven’t seen anything else to confirm that. Of a projected $1 Billion dollar business in 2013, Blu reported $57 million in the first quarter (SEC filings). That works out to $200 million for the year or 20% of the projected market. Njoy is privately owned so it is more difficult to get any firm number from them.

We aren’t their market. It’s that person running in for a pack and sees an alternative on the counter.

A new person that does find this forum and asks a (seemingly) simple question is indundated with information beyond their understanding. All well-meaning but it is overwhelming. Then they are repeatedly told what a bad mistake they made with their initial choice. I’m surprised at the return rate frankly. I wonder how many drop completely away from vaping.

e-Swisher, by the way, is the Swisher Sweets small cigar company. They have put some disposables out in stores and I read one article that indicated they are in some sort of business discussions with the V2 folks.

This saves me re-writing the post that deleted when I hit backspace.

The friend who introduced me to ecigs has used Greensmokes for the past year. They are half the price of the analogues he was smoking, he is happy.

He keeps his batteries charged and screws on a new carto when one runs out. He doesn't visit forums and worry about mods and variable voltages, he doesn't worry about brands of flavours, he doesn't need to rewick his tank or dry burn his atto, it just works. He makes sure he keeps about 3 months worth of cartos in stock and bulk buys more when there is an offer.

People on here underestimate the value of simplicity to most people. They are replacing a system where they have had one preferred brand available in every corner shop that just works with the flick of a lighter. The vast majority of people who use ecigs are not chasing the perfect vape they want something as close as possible to the simplicity of a cigarette that delivers their dose of nicotine reliably.

it makes me laugh when I see the advice given out to total noobs on here sometimes.

 

[tj99959]

Vaping is only as complicated as we want to make it. There are plenty of "plug & play" devices that work fine. What I see as a common noob problem is the desire to get it *perfect* on the first try, and that just ain't gonna happen. No one is going to get exactly what they want until after they know what they want.

For the person that has never vaped before, DON'T BUY ANYTHING THAT COSTS MORE THAN $30!
For the person that is using their first PV and want's something better, forget about the fancy PV for now and try different types of heads.
Once you find delivery systems that you like, then look for the fancy PV that will power them the best.

 

[tj99959]

This saves me re-writing the post that deleted when I hit backspace.

The friend who introduced me to ecigs has used Greensmokes for the past year. They are half the price of the analogues he was smoking, he is happy.

He keeps his batteries charged and screws on a new carto when one runs out. He doesn't visit forums and worry about mods and variable voltages, he doesn't worry about brands of flavours, he doesn't need to rewick his tank or dry burn his atto, it just works. He makes sure he keeps about 3 months worth of cartos in stock and bulk buys more when there is an offer.

People on here underestimate the value of simplicity to most people. They are replacing a system where they have had one preferred brand available in every corner shop that just works with the flick of a lighter. The vast majority of people who use ecigs are not chasing the perfect vape they want something as close as possible to the simplicity of a cigarette that delivers their dose of nicotine reliably.

it makes me laugh when I see the advice given out to total noobs on here sometimes.

The only problem I have with your friends approach is the environmental foot print he leaves behind. At least he could field strip his cigarette butts. What does he do with all those cartos (that could be refilled) after they run dry?

 

[Ref Minor]

He doesn't drive a car, he beats you on environmental concerns.

 

[Baditude]

The friend who introduced me to ecigs has used Greensmokes for the past year. They are half the price of the analogues he was smoking, he is happy.

He keeps his batteries charged and screws on a new carto when one runs out. He doesn't visit forums and worry about mods and variable voltages, he doesn't worry about brands of flavours, he doesn't need to rewick his tank or dry burn his atto, it just works. He makes sure he keeps about 3 months worth of cartos in stock and bulk buys more when there is an offer.

People on here underestimate the value of simplicity to most people. They are replacing a system where they have had one preferred brand available in every corner shop that just works with the flick of a lighter. The vast majority of people who use ecigs are not chasing the perfect vape they want something as close as possible to the simplicity of a cigarette that delivers their dose of nicotine reliably.

it makes me laugh when I see the advice given out to total noobs on here sometimes.

I have no problem with these comments.

I won't be a name dropper here, but during a recent conversation with the business owner of a very well known and respected online vendor, this topic came up. Forums such as ECF and others tend to attract the more "hardcore vapors", hobbyists, or collectors. Much of the topics here focus on APV's or mods and the more advanced juice delivery devices to put on these battery devices.

Fact of the matter is we ECF enthusiasts are a vast MINORITY when vapors as a whole are considered. Worldwide, the majority of vapors are using cigarette-sized or eGo sized batteries. This is where the money is to be made in the e-cig market, and this is why the tobacco companies who have purchased their own e-cigs are focusing on this segment of the marketplace. They've done their research and know full well what path to take in their attempt to monopolize the market to their personal benefit.

This is why Blu and NJoy are cigarette-sized, and use pre-filled cartridges. Easy and convenient to find and use, just like cigarettes are.

 

[tj99959]

He doesn't drive a car, he beats you on environmental concerns.

So you don't mind seeing empty cartos laying around every where you look.

 

[wv2win]

I see so many postings about getting a set up and what works vs. what doesnt, so I thought I would share my 2 cents on what works for me. .............First of all, Get some Ego batteries,.................

I see a number of posts from people with eGo's who put an atty/carto/clearo on it that the eGo can't handle and then get frustrated. But I keep seeing the eGo fan club saying get an eGo, get an eGo. I wish more people had enough diverse experience to suggest models that don't have the limitations of the eGo. Or Joye would start making their eGo's with better specs.

 

[Ref Minor]

So you don't mind seeing empty cartos laying around every where you look.

I believe he puts them into the bin. He uses Greensmokes, not Greenpeaces

 

[jerzi]

I think it's a lot easier now than when I started a few years ago. Mods were still in their infancy and every few days there would be something new that claimed to be a game changer. It was very hard to pick something up and stick with it, people were always tinkering and trying to get that vape they wanted. I think the mods have reached the point where someone could pick something up with some options on cartos, clearos, tanks and be competely happy with the vape.

I have to say I'm still waiting on the automatic liquid injection coiled hotplate in a tank that doesn't require any wicking.

 

[Tebo]

I was a noob on here and my first question was about Blu e-cigs, I was thinking of buying a pack...

Lots of ppl were pushing me to get an ego-c twist instead & other things and it definitely was overwhelming. But I'm not understanding the argument of how that puts a person off of smoking the e cigs cus it becomes a bit more complicated? I just replied in my post said I was overwhelmed and needed someone to walk me through my shopping cart & someone on here literally screen shot the shopping cart with everything I needed for the price I was willing to spend. I'll admit I was kind of disappointed the ego-c-twist didn't light up at the end like a Blu, that totally didn't even matter once I actually used it..

So I don't think being told something more effective is ever a bad thing. As long as the ''noob'' is open minded. I've tried to get a lot of ppl to try an ego c twist b4 getting Blu's but they get Blu's anyways, and once they do they realise it's not quite strong enough. & atleast then they know there is better options and might be more prone to taking advice next time