They are rolling it out just when the new big taxs will hit. Goverment and states will like that.
is Big Tobacco worried yet?
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I'm sure they're watching, but I doubt they are all that worried. At this time they have too many points in their favor. I'm a smoker. Not only am I addicted, but I enjoy it. Everything else aside, I don't want to give it up. Therefore no matter how many times I try to quit, I'm not likely to succeed. I found out about e-cigs purely by chance. While I like my penstyle, it is not identical to smoking an analog and has it's own drawbacks.
Many people won't go the extra mile to research and will only find over-priced and/or inferior e-cigs. They either won't/can't buy or won't be happy with it and case closed, they stick with analogs and tell many people how crappy e-cigs are. Score one for big tobacco.
- I could not agree more. As much as I love vaping, it still has not completely replaced cigarettes for me, to be honest. The difference is, I am smoking much less, and when I DO smoke analogs (about 5-7 a day) I use a tar filter. It's a permanent filter, not the disposable kind (Hunter S, Thompson made it famous, lol). But I'll tell ya, seeing all that brown crap building up in the filter makes me hope I make the switch to e-cigs entirely.
I don't think the big tobacco companies are shaking in their boots just yet. E-cigs need to be much more reliable and....easier, less fiddly. I can't see average joe going home at night and boiling atomizers ;-).
I'm sure they're watching, but I doubt they are all that worried. At this time they have too many points in their favor. I'm a smoker. Not only am I addicted, but I enjoy it. Everything else aside, I don't want to give it up. Therefore no matter how many times I try to quit, I'm not likely to succeed. I found out about e-cigs purely by chance. While I like my penstyle, it is not identical to smoking an analog and has it's own drawbacks.
Many people won't go the extra mile to research and will only find over-priced and/or inferior e-cigs. They either won't/can't buy or won't be happy with it and case closed, they stick with analogs and tell many people how crappy e-cigs are. Score one for big tobacco.
- I could not agree more. As much as I love vaping, it still has not completely replaced cigarettes for me, to be honest. The difference is, I am smoking much less, and when I DO smoke analogs (about 5-7 a day) I use a tar filter. It's a permanent filter, not the disposable kind (Hunter S, Thompson made it famous, lol). But I'll tell ya, seeing all that brown crap building up in the filter makes me hope I make the switch to e-cigs entirely.
I don't think the big tobacco companies are shaking in their boots just yet. E-cigs need to be much more reliable and....easier, less fiddly. I can't see average joe going home at night and boiling atomizers ;-).
South East of China has probably the largest tobacco-growing region in the world, though it's little known to exist by most of us. That is where our nicotene and tobacco-flavorings will be coming from (including virginia and cuba and turkish no doubt... matter of what you grow and how you grow it to get those varieties afaik).
So yes, tobacco-companies will be earning on the e-cig; but chinese companies, not the western world BT (I don't think any of those own chinese tobacco-plants). And the few e-cig companies that make nicotine in the western world are using alternative plants, not tobacco.
Thanks for the info on that. Would have never thought of China as a large producer of tobacco.
Hey now, this is pretty one sided. They didn't just sue 13 year olds. They also sued the deceased and disabled non-computer owners. Don't be so biased.
It is quite interesting to know that China is not just the LARGEST producer of tobacco but also is the LARGEST consumer of tobacco, knowing that it is not that surprising that they were who invented e-cigarettes, keep the population addict but healthy, keep getting income from tobacco but not expend more money on health issues related to tobacco, interesting indeed, that we don't know all this about China, maybe they are not even concerned about a global ban on e-cigarettes, they have the potential market right in their own country, 340 millions of smokers in China (that is 300 millions more than in the US), some people may say that a country can't grow depending on its internal sales but the income from other areas in China can afford paying the consumption of e-cigarettes, slowly a big amount of that big potential market will be using e-cigarettes produced right in the same country with nicotine produced aswell in the same country, they already produce they own cars for they internal market.
http://www.chinatoday.com.cn/English/e2004/e200408/f6.htm
http://www.chinatoday.com.cn/English/e2004/e200408/f6.htm
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True, but everyone I've showed the e-cig to, my brother, my mom, my gf, my smoker friends and co-workers are all very interested. They're all desperate for some way to quit. Like you (and me), they are not ready / don't want to quit because they enjoy not only the nicotine but the process of smoking.
The reason why I'm curious is that I can see this becoming a real trend. Where I live, I expect it to catch on big time.
The next step - mark my words: I'm making a major prediction here - is that young kids are going to latch on to this device and find all kinds of ways to use it to vape illicit stuff. That's when the moral crusaders are going to get all bent out of shape...
oh, damn, do I still have that bottle of Robitussin laying around here? drip, drip... 8-o ... I'm kidding of course.
True, but everyone I've showed the e-cig to, my brother, my mom, my gf, my smoker friends and co-workers are all very interested. They're all desperate for some way to quit. Like you (and me), they are not ready / don't want to quit because they enjoy not only the nicotine but the process of smoking.
The reason why I'm curious is that I can see this becoming a real trend. Where I live, I expect it to catch on big time.
The next step - mark my words: I'm making a major prediction here - is that young kids are going to latch on to this device and find all kinds of ways to use it to vape illicit stuff. That's when the moral crusaders are going to get all bent out of shape...
oh, damn, do I still have that bottle of Robitussin laying around here? drip, drip... 8-o ... I'm kidding of course.
I seriously can't take that seriously. Multi-dwelling home smoking bans, car smoking bans, employment smoking bans, city-wide public smoking bans, foster parent smoking bans, adoptive parent smoking bans, child custody smoking bans, skyrocketing cigarette taxes, medical personnel getting financial kickbacks for promoting cessation, health consequences in aging baby boomers, and seriously, I can't take that seriously.
This is a product that makes smokers so happy some of them start crying at public promotional events. Even if "Wall Street analysts" had any credibility right now, I wouldn't take that seriously.
The economy could make it true though.
I think you've all lost the point. T-Bob has pointed out many times before that Bit Tobacco and Big Pharm have invested too much time and money in their own products to be interested in electronic cigarettes. Bare in mind that even now this is an untested product that none of us can truly say is safe and will remain untested as no-one can afford to test it. Government as we all know work hand in hand very closely with Big Tobacco and Big Pharm and are heavily reliant on them for the economy so is unlikely to be interested in a little upstart called Electronic Cigarette. Big Tobacco and Big Pharm have enough money and power to stop us in our tracks any time they want, all they have to do is pressure Government to ban import of anything to do with Electronic Cigarette. It seems people have already forgotten the battles that have been fought and lost and that was when Electronic Cigarettes were not even a drop in the ocean. The bigger Electronic Cigarettes become the harder it will be to fight against Big Tobacco, Big Pharm and Government without proper clinical tests. Quite simply upset the wrong people and we could have our toys taken away from us.
I think I just saw a pig fly past my window........lol...
Pete... it MUST have been Kingford the pig!
Kingford is the CUTEST little pig... for anyone that hasn't seen him here is his video:
Meet Kingsford, the little pig that could | The Dish Rag | Los Angeles Times
Pete... it MUST have been Kingford the pig!
Kingford is the CUTEST little pig... for anyone that hasn't seen him here is his video:
Meet Kingsford, the little pig that could | The Dish Rag | Los Angeles Times
Ohhhh you just ruined my BLT toastie!
that's exactly what I was thinking. Nicotine juice comes from tobacco, right? The big tobacco companies could still profit. Maybe they are now.
I agree with you, especially since the tobacco companies have been working to develop a similar product for a long time. Heatbar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Smokers Club, Inc. - Philip Morris Introduces the Heatbar
Unlike normal cigarettes, the device is said to deliver an "aerosol which gives the consumer the flavour and aroma associated with smoking" and claims to reduce second-hand smoke by more than 90%.
Philip Morris spokeswoman Nerida White said it was illegal to promote tobacco products, but said some adult smokers would find the Heatbar interesting. But she conceded that smoking through the device was no safer than normal cigarettes.
I believe that it is naive to believe that PM and RJR are not busy at improving what they have been working on since the late 1980's.
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