IS FDA BANNING VAPING?

[Vapeon4Life]

From CASAA.ORG

"In light of the news coming out from the FDA over the past week about vapor product PMTAs, we wanted to address some of the most common questions, rumors, and misinformation that have been circulating........"

See whole aritlcle here:

Is FDA Banning Vaping?

 

[tj99959]

Na, the FDA only wants to make vaping so miserable that it fades into the sunset.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

I'll be there... blowing a cloud.

 

[Vapeon4Life]

Na, the FDA only wants to make vaping so miserable that it fades into the sunset.

As the PMTA deadline again approaches and the FDA has already begun some enforcement actions {"Today, FDA issued a Refuse to File (RTF) letter to JD Nova Group LLC notifying the company that their PMTAs for approximately 4.5 million of their products do not meet the filing requirements..."} - It becomes obvious that it is not control but rather 'Prohibition' that seems to be the agenda because impossible to adhere to regulations are tantamount to 'Prohibition' - Making vaping illegal by regulating it out of existence is not legal
- Vaping has not been declared illegal and now is the time for the vape industry to act, form a coalition, pool their resources, higher and assemble the best legal team possible and sue those elements and government agencies that are manipulating the law to outlaw the legal vaping industry.

Or, how about trying it this way:

Spain: Vape Industry Sues Government Over Anti-Vaping Campaign

Last November, Spain’s Health Ministry launched an anti-vaping campaign which ignores all the scientific evidence in favour of vaping for smoking cessation and/or tobacco harm reduction. Moreover, the campaign makes a number of false claims such as blaming vaping for the EVALI outbreak and saying that vapour is carcinogenic.

“On November 18, the Spanish Ministry of Health launched a campaign to discredit the vapor sector, on the basis of widely scientifically denied reports (it blames EVALI among other things for the responsibility of electronic cigarettes, the fact that the vapor emitted is carcinogenic and that electronic smoking is not helpful in quitting smoking, and even claims that it is just as harmful as cigarettes),” said president of the Spanish Association of Vape Professionals, Massimiliano Belli, in an email to Vaping Post........"

Spain: Vape Industry Sues Government Over Anti-Vaping Campaign - Vaping Post

 

[ShowMeTwice]

The small percentage of vaper's, and their desires, trying to fight the deep pockets of the FDA, and Guv, over a battle that's already been lost whose outcome was pretty much predetermined from the get go is a waste of time and energy.



Getting angry and biatchin' about it? Sure ok, for a minute, then move the F on already.

Taking up permanent residence in that space? Unhealthy, at best.



Meanwhile the battle, that never really took place, was won, likely behind the scenes in wink-wink fashion, by Big T and P and their shareholders.



If y'all aren't well stocked up by now, well... that buffet left the table awhile back, the scraps and leftovers can still be found.



Blunt? Yep. Truth? Yep. People don't like to hear that? 100% correct.



What is the point in continuing to beat an already dead horse? There isn't.



Good luck

 

[smacuser]

 

[Skeebo]

FDA wants to protect the children.

 

[Vapeon4Life]

September 8, 2021 Paul Freeman
Will the FDA lay waste to much of the US vaping industry?


1. Will the FDA lay waste to much of the US vaping industry?
There will be a lot of commentary this week on the US FDA’s decisions on vaping products and the related fate of the businesses that make them. It is important to keep in perspective what is really happening here, so I have put down some views to help frame the discussion following the announcements, which have to be made on or before 9th September.

Based on its guidance, statements and decisions so far, it looks like FDA is just about to wipe out most of the vaping industry that isn’t owned by large corporate entities. However, there is another, countervailing, pressure: FDA has to keep the viability of its nicotine strategy intact. It cannot do that if it destroys the most of harm-reduction pathway from smoking to vaping. At this point, therefore, we can only speculate and look for underlying drivers............

See whole article here:
Will the FDA lay waste to much of the US vaping industry?

This is a long and comprehensive article if you really want to see more of the whole story.

 

[GeorgeS]

The bottom line is that while some industries have been "grandfathered" in (think preexisting tobacco products and just about anything alcohol related) "new" products require documentation that they are not harmful or possibly at least better than existing possibly grandfathered products.

"documentation" requires scientific studies and research, both of which are both costly and take time.

For example, lets take some very very basic ingredients like PG and VG.

Are they safe to inhale? What does long term exposure do? Is the temperature of the vapor or volume of the vapor make a difference?

How many years has "the vaping industry" had to get together and fund studies to support vaping and not done so?

The government and FDA (which is redundant, the FDA is a government funded/controlled agency) are not against the vaping industry the simple fact is that "the vaping industry" has refused to gather supporting documentation in support of itself so as a result will get legislated out of existence.


g.

 

[Vapeon4Life]

The bottom line is that while some industries have been "grandfathered" in (think preexisting tobacco products and just about anything alcohol related) "new" products require documentation that they are not harmful or possibly at least better than existing possibly grandfathered products.

"documentation" requires scientific studies and research, both of which are both costly and take time.

For example, lets take some very very basic ingredients like PG and VG.

Are they safe to inhale? What does long term exposure do? Is the temperature of the vapor or volume of the vapor make a difference?

How many years has "the vaping industry" had to get together and fund studies to support vaping and not done so?

The government and FDA (which is redundant, the FDA is a government funded/controlled agency) are not against the vaping industry the simple fact is that "the vaping industry" has refused to gather supporting documentation in support of itself so as a result will get legislated out of existence.


g.

I disagree with that - The real reason for stopping vaping is totally prejudicial and based upon special interests
{ie. Bloomberg Philanthropies, the WHO, et al} and the malignant use of their money to achieve their goals of tobacco {and eventually nicotine} 'Prohibition'. The more the science showed that vaping was much safer than lit tobacco, the more determined they became to outlaw it - This has been going on for years!!!

I lived throuh this in the '90s when Big Pharma {also part of the outlaw vape agenda} was trying to outlaw supplements and vitamins in spite of the copious amount of evidence that they were safe and sometimes effective - Then we had a nationwde petition drive that worked and congress passed laws protecting the supplement/vitamin industries.

Of course even back then maybe as much as half the nation used some type of dietary supplements - Hard to bully that many people, but with the help of Big Pharma they tried. With maybe only 15% {according to them} of the nation using tobacco now and what, maybe a third of them vaping {?} - It is much easier for them to bully a small industry no matter how much safer their product is than the lit tobacco alternative !

Here is how it really is now with vaping:

The real reason the FDA must control Vaping - No its not Public Health
Discussion in 'General Vaping Discussion' started by Vapeon4Life, Aug 28, 2021.

See it here on ECF:

The real reason the FDA must control Vaping - No its not Public Health

 

[GeorgeS]

Believe what you will. The reality is that there is no "vaping industry" only a bunch of small individual companies that profit off of vaping products.

As the wheels of the government turn and clamp down on all these illegal products, the products and the companies that make and sell them will go away.

In the end leaving people that like to vape where we started - making our own mods, atomizers and juice. Anything else is just:

g.

 

[Vapeon4Life]

Believe what you will. The reality is that there is no "vaping industry" only a bunch of small individual companies that profit off of vaping products.

As the wheels of the government turn and clamp down on all these illegal products, the products and the companies that make and sell them will go away.

In the end leaving people that like to vape where we started - making our own mods, atomizers and juice.
g.

"The Vapor Technology Association"

"
The Vapor Technology Association represents the manufacturers, wholesalers, small business owners and entrepreneurs who have developed innovative and quality vapor products, providing adult consumers with a better alternative to traditional combustible products.
VTA’s mission is focused. Through innovative leadership in the industry, we strive to

• Promote greater public health through smart regulations and responsible public policies
• Transform the public debate around the vapor industry and dispel distorted and misleading information about vapor products
• Keep the vapor market open and competitive across the board
• Protect small business owners and their employees by ensuring the long-term viability of the vapor industry"

Vapor Technology Association | Protecting the Vaping Industry

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Think the Rolling Stones have a song called Beating Dead Horses.



Might have been Dead Flowers.

Take me down little Susie, take me down
I know you think you're the queen of the underground
And you can send me dead flowers every morning
Send me dead flowers by the U.S. Mail (adult signature req'd)
Say it with dead flowers in my wedding
And I won't forget to put roses on your grave
No, I won't forget to put roses on your grave

 

[Skeebo]

You know the convo is about to get juicy when red X's of death are handed out.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

I'm waiting for Michael Bloomberg's post on casual Friday.

 

[smacuser]

I think I smell something.

 

[Z-Lee]

I think I smell something.

Is it this?

Spoiler

**And wow, my image posting privs have been stripped because I replied to a picture post. This is simply ridiculous, I'm out.**

 

[Vapeon4Life]

FDA Fails to Meet Deadline to Decide on PMTA Applications for Vapes

"The day of reckoning will have to come another day.

On September 9, its longstanding deadline, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) effectively announced that it would need more time to process the remaining premarket tobacco applications (PMTAs) that vape companies were required to file last year to stay legally on the market. Approval would mean that products were deemed “appropriate for the protection of public health”—a potential game-changer for tobacco harm reduction in the United States.

The agency did not mention how much longer it planned to take—nor did it officially state that it was essentially giving itself an extension. In a perspective hyperlinked to a press release, though, it did state that decisions would be made on a “rolling basis.” Hundreds of thousands of PMTAs, at least—including all of those submitted by the largest vape manufacturers—are left.

“We continue to work expeditiously.”

Despite this admission, the FDA did assure everybody that “significant progress” had been made, referencing its “taking action” on 93 percent of the PMTAs as well as its issuing of 132 Marketing Denial Orders (MDOs), requiring the affected companies to immediately stop selling their products. No authorizations have so far been issued........."

FDA Fails to Meet Deadline to Decide on PMTA Applications for Vapes

So 'Man of little faith' - "It ain't over till its over"- Yogi Berra

Not only are there business associations of vapers - There are law firms and there are laws based upon justice.

And all of Bloomberg's money and his minions from hell will lose eventually
- The FDA knows it can not make a compelling case for outlawing vapinig based upon a fantasy 'boogeyman' that is supposedly compelling teenagers and children to try vapiing and causing them to become overnight addicts.

In fact a case can be made that the FDA and groups such as Bloomberg Philanthropies are actually causing teenagers to try vaping - They did this with marijuana during my generation - The more they tried to suppress it the more people wanted to use it.

Maybe they should quit while they are ahead? - Otherwise, yes indeed, we will have a whole new generation of nicotine addicts !!!

 

[classwife]

Is it this?

Spoiler

**And wow, my image posting privs have been stripped because I replied to a picture post. This is simply ridiculous, I'm out.**

Nope.
You didn't link your pic correctly.

Ok, bye

 

[Z-Lee]

Nope.
You didn't link your pic correctly.

Ok, bye

Oh really?

Bye.