Is Provape in danger of becoming like Blackberry?

[Pinggolfer]

Provari has it's base and that base has a max of 20 watts. Saying they are outdated means nothing as most vape at under 20 watts and are not interested in huge clouds of vapor. The only problem I feel Provape made was by not setting a release date or some sort of price point. If I was in the market for a Provari right now I would wait on the P3 because of the improvements being made. I would not buy a 2.5 today if I had my mind set on a Provari. I think they made a bad business decision. I'm sure some will post how they don't care and will buy a 2.5, but why buy last years model when Provape spent a lot of time coming up with the new P3?

 

[chief63]

I like my Provari. But I don't see how they can charge that much for a 20w device. Way too much competition.

 

[Tangaroav]

Provari has it's base and that base has a max of 20 watts. Saying they are outdated means nothing as most vape at under 20 watts and are not interested in huge clouds of vapor. The only problem I feel Provape made was by not setting a release date or some sort of price point. If I was in the market for a Provari right now I would wait on the P3 because of the improvements being made. I would not buy a 2.5 today if I had my mind set on a Provari. I think they made a bad business decision. I'm sure some will post how they don't care and will buy a 2.5, but why buy last years model when Provape spent a lot of time coming up with the new P3?

I agree that this is strange, maybe it is to gauge the market reaction and see if a + 300 $ price tag is too much to swallow for such minimal mostly aesthetics improvements.

Stranger still is to disregard their web buyers whom are their original customers and only sell their first run through approved dealers. after all it only forces in a second layer of profit takers, (from a buyer point of view), thus forcing Provape to increase the price to maintain its profit margin.

I have a feeling this restriction will not last long as it is perceived by many as bully tactics from Provape.

Could be that Provape sees a web sale prohibition on e-cig coming soon and wants to establish a strong dealership presence.

 

[spartanstew]

Hmmm I just looked last night and the Mini can do a 350 or 490/500 not nothing from the factory for 650. I do see an aftermarket solution though.

Sorry, my mistake. Didn't realize things like the twins were aftermarket solutions.

 

[USMCotaku]

Again, this is a thread questioning provari decisions, so obviously NOT an omg look how wonderful the provari is thread. But still anyone who brings up a criticism is just "coming in to a provari thread to bash/troll"? If you don't want to hear criticism about provari, don't come into a thread that criticizes them in the title. I like the idea of provari...but I am quickly delegating them to the same status as Harley....something I will never purchase, no mater how good, because I don't want to be associated with the type of person who owns one. I have yet to see a reasonable response to valid criticism, I instead see name calling and personal attacks. If that's the type of person the provari attracts, count me out.

 

[David Muffmucher]

I don't usually reply to topics like this because I don't feel like my criticism is really necessary most of the time.

That being said, I personally have been vaping for about a year. When I started off I chose between a provari and a cheaper mechanical mod. I eventually went with the mech due to the limitations of the Provari.

I've been looking forward to the updated Provari, but now that it's is here I am very disappointed.

There's so many devices pushing 50 to even above 100 watts. Provape is sandbagging at the expense of performance and it's future.

 

[Ca Ike]

Again, this is a thread questioning provari decisions, so obviously NOT an omg look how wonderful the provari is thread. But still anyone who brings up a criticism is just "coming in to a provari thread to bash/troll"? If you don't want to hear criticism about provari, don't come into a thread that criticizes them in the title. I like the idea of provari...but I am quickly delegating them to the same status as Harley....something I will never purchase, no mater how good, because I don't want to be associated with the type of person who owns one. I have yet to see a reasonable response to valid criticism, I instead see name calling and personal attacks. If that's the type of person the provari attracts, count me out.

So far other than 2.5 owners saying the 3 isn't a big enough improvement I have seen no valid criticism. Those saying one button menu is bad don't think about the fact that it's almost exactly the same amount of clicks on a multi button set up and sometimes more.

Those complaining about sub ohm just vape in a way the provari isn't meant to support because it's inherently risky. The rule that some use of staying 10 times the internal resistance of the batt /mod combo for safety sets the average at .5 ohm(based on stats posted and my own measurements). Don't criticize it because it doesn't do what you want. Instead find something that's a better fit for your needs. Some in this thread ( no need to point fingers) have a history of bashing the provari for this reason and calling it outdated. That's not valid, especially considering cig alikes and egos are still the top sellers and will be for a while to come. This I believe is provapes target and not the "race Vapers" that prefer to sub ohm and cloud chase pushing the bleeding edge of batts and mods.

The provari works well for everything from cheap CE clearos to mild sub ohm RDAs and that's a big range of options for most Vapers. Most of the sx and DNA mods can't down regulate very well or at all making for a very limited set of options by eliminating over half of the available toppers and forcing Vapers into something they may not want or are comfortable with be it the box format or RBAs. Something has to fill that gap and provape does that nicely.

What the future of vaping is no one knows yet so saying the provape is outdated because of the high power vape craze that May or may not stay around is pure rubbish IMO. Personally I will get a provari because it fits what I need in a form factor I prefer and that's what matters I have mechs and a couple high watt boxes but my evic/kayfun is my all day set up due to the convenience. My evic has died twice already in just over a year yet I see provape v1s still going strong and that speaks volumes.

 

[B1sh0p]

That's because sub ohms and high Watters and cloud chasers wanna come into any thread with the word provari and troll away. They can't be happy with their device preference they also have to come in and insult a device they will never own and anyone who wants it. They just

I don't think you understood my point.

 

[beckdg]

It was a point I'm making and your being really dence about it. None of our devices are regulated. Untill that time I don't trust manufacturers that most likely cut corners and cheap out on important things the consumer can't see with out disassembling the device. I only trust provape and reomods.com to deliver me a solid product I won't regret and won't be DOA and won't blow up in my face. It's my opinion and how I feel. Stop getting .... hurt and just agree to disagree.

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*denSe

While you're ranting about regulation you should really look into the regulations that are in place pertaining to your examples and ponder the real motivation behind each reg. Then you'll have a chance at a better understanding of what percentage of the net total is for what you think it is (keeping consumers safe and happy with their working products) and what's driven by other incentives.

The technology and frequencies are available to keep your cell phone from potentially interfering with hospital equipment yet there are signs In every hospital I've ever been to asking us to not use our phones.

One pretty good (and fairly obvious)
example if you ask me. I doubt consumer safety is the #1 priority when determining regs for even common communication devices. The proof is not in the pudding, it's in the Kool aid.

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

Why is it so hilarious to me that people in this thread think they understand Provape's business better the Provape?

These aren't some modders in a garage, this is a multimillion dollar company run by what seem to be pretty intelligent people.

How many of you sell thousands of PVs a year, again?

*Required Disclaimer* I neither own nor will likely ever own a Provari and am far from a fanboy, but i do respect the company/their vision for their product.

 

[spartanstew]

Those complaining about sub ohm just vape in a way the provari isn't meant to support because it's inherently risky.

But again, it's not necessarily about sub-ohm or risky. The Joytech Delta Atomizer's coils have an overall resistance of 1.4ohm, but can be used at 26Watts. The P3 can't do that. In another couple of months, Kanger, Aspire and others will have coils that also vape between 20 - 30 watts (IMO). Why risk spending $250 on a device that can't use the pre-made coils that will be coming out soon?

 

[spartanstew]

Why is it so hilarious to me that people in this thread think they understand Provape's business better the Provape?

These aren't some modders in a garage, this is a multimillion dollar company run by what seem to be pretty intelligent people.

Getting back to the original question, the same could have been said about Blackberry, no?

 

[Rickajho]

Why is it so hilarious to me that people in this thread think they understand Provape's business better the Provape?

These aren't some modders in a garage, this is a multimillion dollar company run by what seem to be pretty intelligent people.

How many of you sell thousands of PVs a year, again?

*Required Disclaimer* I neither own nor will likely ever own a Provari and am far from a fanboy, but i do respect the company/their vision for their product.

Understanding your business is all very well and good. Understanding the market your business is trying to sell to is even better. Ford understood how to build the Edsel. That didn't translate into customers actually wanting to buy the Edsel just because Ford built it.

 

[Ed_C]

Why is it so hilarious to me that people in this thread think they understand Provape's business better the Provape?

These aren't some modders in a garage, this is a multimillion dollar company run by what seem to be pretty intelligent people.

How many of you sell thousands of PVs a year, again?

*Required Disclaimer* I neither own nor will likely ever own a Provari and am far from a fanboy, but i do respect the company/their vision for their product.

While that's true, the business landscape is littered with companies who were on the top of the heap and thought they could do no wrong, only to be overtaken by more aggressive companies. I think that was the point of this thread.

Posted by ex Kodak employee

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

Getting back to the original question, the same could have been said about Blackberry, no?

The difference is Blackberry was in trouble WELL before they made a series of fatal product/tactical mistakes, that were driven/caused by difference of opinions/irreconcilable differences regarding the direction of the company and its technology, by its executives.

If you actually dig deeper into the Blackberry story, the level of mismanagement and number of poor decisions made over the course of YEARS is truly staggering.

 

[tearose50]

But again, it's not necessarily about sub-ohm or risky. The Joytech Delta Atomizer's coils have an overall resistance of 1.4ohm, but can be used at 26Watts. The P3 can't do that. In another couple of months, Kanger, Aspire and others will have coils that also vape between 20 - 30 watts (IMO). Why risk spending $250 on a device that can't use the pre-made coils that will be coming out soon?

Do you really think major Chinese suppliers are going to make atty's that can't be used on their "batteries"? I sincerely doubt it. They are expanding their customer base by making atty's that wick with larger watts/voltage ranges, IMHO. Can go up to 24 watts does not limit the topper to only 24 watt vaping.

 

[DavidOH]

 

[Ca Ike]

But again, it's not necessarily about sub-ohm or risky. The Joytech Delta Atomizer's coils have an overall resistance of 1.4ohm, but can be used at 26Watts. The P3 can't do that. In another couple of months, Kanger, Aspire and others will have coils that also vape between 20 - 30 watts (IMO). Why risk spending $250 on a device that can't use the pre-made coils that will be coming out soon?

From what I understand they can handle 26 watts but are recommended for 15 or less but I have to look into it again. Regardless according to the info I got from Kangers it MAX watt not required. There's a difference. Again though I have to double check the info.

 

[DPLongo22]

Pass some, please?

 

[USMCotaku]

So far other than 2.5 owners saying the 3 isn't a big enough improvement I have seen no valid criticism. Those saying one button menu is bad don't think about the fact that it's almost exactly the same amount of clicks on a multi button set up and sometimes more.

Those complaining about sub ohm just vape in a way the provari isn't meant to support because it's inherently risky. The rule that some use of staying 10 times the internal resistance of the batt /mod combo for safety sets the average at .5 ohm(based on stats posted and my own measurements). Don't criticize it because it doesn't do what you want. Instead find something that's a better fit for your needs. Some in this thread ( no need to point fingers) have a history of bashing the provari for this reason and calling it outdated. That's not valid, especially considering cig alikes and egos are still the top sellers and will be for a while to come. This I believe is provapes target and not the "race Vapers" that prefer to sub ohm and cloud chase pushing the bleeding edge of batts and mods.

The provari works well for everything from cheap CE clearos to mild sub ohm RDAs and that's a big range of options for most Vapers. Most of the sx and DNA mods can't down regulate very well or at all making for a very limited set of options by eliminating over half of the available toppers and forcing Vapers into something they may not want or are comfortable with be it the box format or RBAs. Something has to fill that gap and provape does that nicely.

What the future of vaping is no one knows yet so saying the provape is outdated because of the high power vape craze that May or may not stay around is pure rubbish IMO. Personally I will get a provari because it fits what I need in a form factor I prefer and that's what matters I have mechs and a couple high watt boxes but my evic/kayfun is my all day set up due to the convenience. My evic has died twice already in just over a year yet I see provape v1s still going strong and that speaks volumes.

If you had read any of my prior posts, you would know that I don't fall into the cloud chasing category (giving them little nick names like rice vapers is part of the world unhelpful name calling I mentioned btw, why condescend to someone for vaping different then you do?). Vaping on a 1.8 ohm coil at 25-30 watts is unsafe? :::insert laughter here:::
Apparently if you disagree with something it isn't a valid complaint....that toes the line of the elitism I've been seeing from a lot of provari owners. The 20 watt limit is a very valid complaint, and a deal breaker for many.
Kanger already makes a coil that can handle 25 watts, and while some flavors only need 15 or so, some really come alive at 25. This whole thread was to question provaris' not keeping up with market trends and by doing so, alienating a large portion of the possible market base. If you had read my previous posts, you would know that I would like a provari forbthere QC, sturdiness and warranty....but not if they aren't going to provide me with the product I need.