Is Provape in danger of becoming like Blackberry?

[Ca Ike]

It looked and sounded like paid advertisement.

An independant reviewer worth his salt, ( and my confidence), doing a ''first look'' of a BETA model for his audience should have the honesty of mentionning weaknesses/omissions/potential problems area ....etc. He/She should not be a mouthpiece of any manufacturer.

You say '' Even so it's not good form to base a full review on an unfinished version '' . This was identified as a ''first look'' not a full review we all understand that. Is it not the objective here to give an honest opinion of this ''unfinished version'' . We dont want soldout/paidfor reviews except when they are identified as such. This one was not, but it sure sounded one sided and like a commercial.

Edit: In fact imo PB is an honest guy. He just could not refuse to be the first reviewer with a ''first look" video out of the P3 and he agreed to be muzzled. It simply gave the wrong impression...

Yea he did sound over zealous didn't he lol. A couple things to keep in mind though is the provari is his main mod so he will go into it with some excitement and to be in on the beta test as a reviewer is a big deal. I'm sure he is doing all his testing just like he does with most of the mods he reviews and I'm waiting to see what the results are myself. No debating the fact he does get paid, if not cash he at least gets free mods. Heck Joytech gave him an evic supreme to review prior to the release so provape isn't the only company that likes how he does his reviews. Personally his reviews have saved me a lot of headaches and money. I opted for the dovpo emech instead of the evic based on his review of the new evic. I like my original evic but they didn't fix the core issues it has when they made the supreme and his review was the only one that I found to dig deep enough to point that out

The provari fits how I vape daily in a form factor I prefer that doesn't feel like a light saber handle. I've held off buying the 2.5 for a few reasons and the P3 so far has addressed all my personal dislikes of the 2.5. I will admit though the 5 watt increase is nothing to cheer about. I suspect though that 20 watts will be really stable no matter what th batt charge level and that is something the DNA mods can't do yet.

 

[The Ocelot]

I realize what you mean by mainstream vaping. By saying that, you change the nature of the first part of your sentence. But I must clarify the thinking that this thing we do was created to get people off cigarettes. Nope. It was created to get around smoking bans in bars, etc.

I"m sorry, but I must disagree. A high-tech approach to getting a nicotine fix - Los Angeles Times

"This is exactly what the tobacco companies have been afraid of all these years, an alternative method of delivering nicotine that is actually enjoyable," said David Sweanor, an adjunct law professor at the University of Ottawa who specializes in tobacco issues.

 

[Baditude]

@protocol - you sure do make a lot of generalizations about ProVari owners. I love my 2.0s and 2.5s, but the P3 doesn't interest me any more than a DNA(insert number). That's not my vaping profile.

THIS.

 

[The Ocelot]

It looked and sounded like paid advertisement.

An independant reviewer worth his salt, ( and my confidence), doing a ''first look'' of a BETA model for his audience should have the honesty of mentionning weaknesses/omissions/potential problems area ....etc. He/She should not be a mouthpiece of any manufacturer.

You say '' Even so it's not good form to base a full review on an unfinished version '' . This was identified as a ''first look'' not a full review we all understand that. Is it not the objective here to give an honest opinion of this ''unfinished version'' . We dont want soldout/paidfor reviews except when they are identified as such. This one was not, but it sure sounded one sided and like a commercial.

Edit: In fact imo PB is an honest guy. He just could not refuse to be the first reviewer with a ''first look" video out of the P3 and he agreed to be muzzled. It simply gave the wrong impression...

No one pays PB to review products. He's just a guy who makes videos. Have you considered he might just be excited about the device?

 

[Krashman Von Stinkputin]

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
-misquoted Twain

I find the whole premise of this discussion amusingly premature.
We may all be vaping on "Blackberry's" or maybe more accurately "Palm Pilot's"

It will be those companies that have adopted manufacturing best practices, components compliant to approved current electrical standards, cultivated the proper corporate image, and have the biggest bankroll that have the BEST CHANCE at even surviving the impending shoe that going to drop: the FDA.

Debating whether the V3 obsolete out of the box due to a 20W limit is funny given that the government agency who will ultimately determine what any of us will be able to vape on has made it clear that the only "electronic cigarettes" they prefer are tobacco-flavored NJOY "clones".

And all the heartfelt and earnest testimonials in the world to the FDA comment page might as well be toilet paper compared to the first anti-vaping idealogue that waves a photo of "MOD SHOT" scattered about an event coincidently called Vape-BLAST. Thankfully the pics of that mishap only show pieces imbedded in ceiling tiles and not somebody's forehead.

Second hand smoke is one thing....second hand shrapnel falls under the oversight of the ATF.

Provape (and by extension the Provari) is one of those companies that has positioned themselves to weather what lies ahead. (and no I don't own one).
I don't think anyone should waste worry about whether a device you buy in the near future will be "uncool" in the next couple of years.
I'd worry more about what devices you will be left with or allowed to use.

Alarmist I may be--- so I'll just go back to playing a little on-line poker.

Oh wait, I no longer can do that....though at the pinnacle of it's popularity, the government pulled the plug on that.

 

[tearose50]

But I must clarify the thinking that this thing we do was created to get people off cigarettes. Nope. It was created to get around smoking bans in bars, etc. That's why cigalikes were all you could find at the beginning.

There was a time when ecigs were not allowed to be marketed as a smoking cessation device. That would have subjected them to a different FDA purview. It's a nice side-effect, but not the intended use.

I must clarify the thinking --- That was the Marketing that was used a lot and still is to some degree.

E-cigs are not allowed to be marketed as a smoking cessation device in the US. Smoking cessation devices require FDA approval.

I'm sure you may have seen that many say they "switched" to vaping and even big tobacco calls it an alternative. I believe this is pretty clear in the earlier FDA case resolution.

 

[Ca Ike]

No one pays PB to review products. He's just a guy who makes videos. Have you considered he might just be excited about the device?

If you are given free products to keep in exchange for a review you are getting paid. It's what is known as a barter agreement.

 

[The Ocelot]

If you are given free products to keep in exchange for a review you are getting paid. It's what is known as a barter agreement.

And that's why he gives great reviews on every device that comes his way? PB is just a guy making videos. He often gives a thumbs up to things I don't like and a thumbs down to things I do. I watch video reviewers to see what products look like and what features they have. I don't based my buying decisions on what some guy has to say about a product. One man's thumbs down is another's sick as t1ts.

 

[Susaz]

If you are given free products to keep in exchange for a review you are getting paid. It's what is known as a barter agreement.

We need reviewers that don't get equipment to review rather than buying stock. For the most part factories send reviewers their best equipment and not always is what gets to us consumers. Never wondered why xxx piece doesn't work as advertised? For the most part factories have prime, second rate and third rate. They don't discard anything, that's why you see so many different prices.

I don't mean it's the case of the Provari, but proves true that independent reviewers buy their stuff.

 

[protocol]

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This is the time to talk to Provape. We can be sure they are monitoring ecf and the Provari threads and that maybe, ( although I dont think so), they will react accordingly.

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this is why I don't understand the hyper-sensitivity of the fan club folks.

they're not helping Provape, at all.


and to reiterate: people keep saying things like "20w is fine for the majority of vapers." again, with a device north of $200, Provape won't have access to the "majority of vapers." the same people willing to pay that price are the same people who at least want the option of going above 20w.
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[Ca Ike]

And that's why he gives great reviews on every device that comes his way? PB is just a guy making videos. He often gives a thumbs up to things I don't like and a thumbs down to things I do. I watch video reviewers to see what products look like and what features they have. I don't based my buying decisions on what some guy has to say about a product. One man's thumbs down is another's sick as t1ts.

Reviews are just another tool to use for making a decision. Personal opinions always come in to them whether it's a book or a car or a mod. Nothing wrong with how you chose to use them. I happen to have vape taste similar to phill so his reviews affect my decisions differently. Now Rip is just a hoot to watch but his reviews are mostly useless to me. I would like to see how he would review the provari though. I need another lol today.

 

[protocol]

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also: a poster up thread, whose posts keep getting deleted, embedded a clip of someone vaping off a ridiculously dangerous setup. fyi, these clips have been making the rounds this week, on several other fora and social media, and getting condemned by everyone. to suggest this person, using a hand towel because the device is so hot, represents anyone criticizing the P3's suggested 20w limit, is yet another strawman. if you're relying words like "kid" or "cloud chasers" to make your point, you're probably not making it.


fwiw, for those using Protank, Nautilus or Innokin atomizers--yes, going above 20w doesn't make a lot of sense (I used an Innokin iClear30 at 7w, and it was perfect). however, if you have a rebuildable atomizer like a Kayfun/Russian/Squape/Rose/Orchid, a genesis-style atomizer or a dripping atomizer, the volume and aiflow is MUCH different than a clearomizer. these people aren't cooking their juice or building blast furnaces under in their topcaps, they're dealing with MUCH more airflow and volume than a clearomizer.

 

[Ca Ike]

We need reviewers that don't get equipment to review rather than buying stock. For the most part factories send reviewers their best equipment and not always is what gets to us consumers. Never wondered why xxx piece doesn't work as advertised? For the most part factories have prime, second rate and third rate. They don't discard anything, that's why you see so many different prices.

I don't mean it's the case of the Provari, but proves true that independent reviewers buy their stuff.

That's how they start though. My wife has been a book reviewer for 3 years now buys most of what she reviews and occasionally gets asked by an author or publisher to do one in exchange for the book. These guys are not much different. It take a lot of time and work to do reviews and you don't really get "paid" what that work is worth at minimum wage standards. Most reviewers do it because they enjoy it (and the occasional free stuff )

 

[maraud]

The mini always supported 3 battery sizes, I believe. You just had to buy each piece separately. Now, they're including them (and will be charging for it).

I don't think that aspect has been mentioned, but IMO it's also a strange move. Folks that only want to use 18350's (for example) are paying for items they may never utilize. The individual component aspect was always a plus to me.

Oh I didn't know that. When I got started I wasn't sure this would work for me so I went the cheaper route. Now that I know after over a year I'm in, I want a quality APV,

 

[stevegmu]

They haven't lived up to the hype. I think the Vaporshark rDNA30 is a much better device by all standarts. Long live ProVape, but to me they've been dead for a LONG time

You should buy one and be happy; then another when something fails. How's the wireless charging gimmick holding up?

 

[stevegmu]

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also: a poster up thread, whose posts keep getting deleted, embedded a clip of someone vaping off a ridiculously dangerous setup. fyi, these clips have been making the rounds this week, on several other fora and social media, and getting condemned by everyone. to suggest this person, using a hand towel because the device is so hot, represents anyone criticizing the P3's suggested 20w limit, is yet another strawman. if you're relying words like "kid" or "cloud chasers" to make your point, you're probably not making it.


fwiw, for those using Protank, Nautilus or Innokin atomizers--yes, going above 20w doesn't make a lot of sense (I used an Innokin iClear30 at 7w, and it was perfect). however, if you have a rebuildable atomizer like a Kayfun/Russian/Squape/Rose/Orchid, a genesis-style atomizer or a dripping atomizer, the volume and aiflow is MUCH different than a clearomizer. these people aren't cooking their juice or building blast furnaces under in their topcaps, they're dealing with MUCH more airflow and volume than a clearomizer.

I get a great vape out of a Kayfun- a real one- and a ProVari 2.5. Perhaps you aren't doing something right...

 

[Ed_C]

Wow, I was planning on posting, but after reading all that...... Oh well, here goes.

1. For all those who argue that Provape may know something about future regulation: Does anyone have any evidence or is this pure speculation?
2. While I know ProVaris are well-made, well-supported and well-regulated devices, likely the best in the market, if the price for the P3s is going to be something on the order of $120 more for 5 more watts and VW, it might be a hard-sell for all, but hardcore fans.
3. While I would agree that many people don't need more than 20W, many people look at specs when buying electronics and right or wrong, many people will question the P3 based on specs that are less than the competition. This is true even if the person never uses more than 20W and is practicality true of a product that is likely to be priced close to the top of the pack.

It just seems like a bonehead move to design a new, high-end product that has the "appearance" of being less than, when adding a few more watts seems to be such an easy thing to accomplish. If there are valid reasons for keeping the limit at 20W I think Provape should do a better job of explaining this. So far all I've read was that they are committed to making the safest equipment possible, but haven't explained what this means.

 

[tearose50]

I'd like to see a Pepsi challenge -- many may remember the ads where there is a blind taste test between Pepsi and Coke?

Set up a P3 with that boost thingy and a .75 coil and a High Wattage mod in a similar weight tube with a lower ohm coil, say .4 and do a blind vape test. One could even set the P3 at max and the High Wattage device at 30.

I have a feeling many might be surprised at the results.....or not. Still sounds like something I wouldn't mind seeing a a mini vape meet.

 

[protocol]

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I get a great vape out of a Kayfun- a real one- and a ProVari 2.5. Perhaps you aren't doing something right...

where did I say I was using a Kayfun and/or not getting a "great vape"?


with certain things, chronology is important:

1) read post

2) then reply to post
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[stevegmu]

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where did I say I was using a Kayfun and/or not getting a "great vape"?


with certain things, chronology is important:

1) read post

2) then reply to post
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Perhaps you should actually read what you posted...

wiw, for those using Protank, Nautilus or Innokin atomizers--yes, going above 20w doesn't make a lot of sense (I used an Innokin iClear30 at 7w, and it was perfect). however, if you have a rebuildable atomizer like a Kayfun/Russian/Squape/Rose/Orchid, a genesis-style atomizer or a dripping atomizer, the volume and aiflow is MUCH different than a clearomizer. these people aren't cooking their juice or building blast furnaces under in their topcaps, they're dealing with MUCH more airflow and volume than a clearomizer.