Is Provape in danger of becoming like Blackberry?

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Ca Ike

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Wow, I was planning on posting, but after reading all that...... Oh well, here goes.

1. For all those who argue that Provape may know something about future regulation: Does anyone have any evidence or is this pure speculation?
2. While I know ProVaris are well-made, well-supported and well-regulated devices, likely the best in the market, if the price for the P3s is going to be something on the order of $120 more for 5 more watts and VW, it might be a hard-sell for all, but hardcore fans.
3. While I would agree that many people don't need more than 20W, many people look at specs when buying electronics and right or wrong, many people will question the P3 based on specs that are less than the competition. This is true even if the person never uses more than 20W and is practicality true of a product that is likely to be priced close to the top of the pack.

It just seems like a bonehead move to design a new, high-end product that has the "appearance" of being less than, when adding a few more watts seems to be such an easy thing to accomplish. If there are valid reasons for keeping the limit at 20W I think Provape should do a better job of explaining this. So far all I've read was that they are committed to making the safest equipment possible, but haven't explained what this means.

1> Pure speculation but provape should be keeping an eye on this and making inquiries/plans where needed, Thats just good business sense.

2> THere is more to a mod than just power and I don't get why everyone is hung up on this ONE feature. THere is the new menu system,self diagnostics, VW mode, screen type, new tube design eliminating the ugly screws, new top cap and the inclusion of all the batt parts needed for the different sizes. All of which have been asked for at one time or another by vapers.

3> Sad but true and many people buy more than what they will ever use.

We will just have to wait and see what the final release version has.
 

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2> THere is more to a mod than just power and I don't get why everyone is hung up on this ONE feature. THere is the new menu system,self diagnostics, VW mode, screen type, new tube design eliminating the ugly screws, new top cap and the inclusion of all the batt parts needed for the different sizes. All of which have been asked for at one time or another by vapers.

I agree with that and the point that I was trying to make was that, the 2.5 is already a great APV in the things the count. It delivers smooth constant power and is well-made and well-supported. I'm just not sure if the additional features add enough to the table, at the price people are predicting. Now if it was closer to $225-250, which who knows it may very well be, I might be in.
 

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My post earlier about .1 wattage adjustments being better for fine tuning, which was questioned shortly after (don't feel like going back to find and quote) doesn't really need more explanation, but ok here goes....if you do the math, a .1 wattage adjustment (no I wasn't referring to the .2 of the p3) is a smaller incremental change then a .1 voltage adjustment. So wattage mode on a good mod has more benefit then just the set and forget argument, though there is that aspect. If you have a juice you know you like at 11 watts, and you use premade coils, we all know there is often a varying range of actual resistance on those. So you set to the wattage you like, easy peasy, it won't matter that the 1.8 ohm coil you bought is actually reading 2.0. So kudos to provari for listening to consumers instead of fan boys in that regard. I also don't understand all the hatrid towards people suggesting a higher wattage limit would be preferable. So you don't need more then 20 watts.....good for you. Is it wrong for me to want a mod that can do 30 but carry the track record and warranty of provari? I rebuild my kanger heads, and some of my builds easily handle 25 watts, and produce amazing flavor at that power, so I need a regulated mod that can give it to me. Get off the provari high horse long enough to realize that many more of us would join you if they would build the device to meet a broader user base.......and guess what? If they upped the limit to 30 watts........why it would STILL meet your never vape past 15 watts needs.

Another thing I fail to understand....how can someone complain about "non provari users coming in and bashing on provaris in our provari thread" when the title of the thread and op is clearly questioning the decisions of provari. If anything....the thread is being hijacked by provari lovers who just can't stand to hear anything bad about their beloved provari. It may be a great device, but can we not ask that it be a great device for a wider range of users? Just 10 more watts would do that. I'm not a cloud chaser, but I like my mech and RDA built around .6 ohm. A 30 watt mod that can make a similar experience to that, and be able to keep that level of vape and not lag off like a mech would make me, and the multitude like me, very happy. Stop telling us we are stupid, or vaping wrong, just because we would like a provari that would do that for us.
 

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Reviews are just another tool to use for making a decision. Personal opinions always come in to them whether it's a book or a car or a mod. Nothing wrong with how you chose to use them. I happen to have vape taste similar to phill so his reviews affect my decisions differently. Now Rip is just a hoot to watch but his reviews are mostly useless to me. I would like to see how he would review the provari though. I need another lol today.

Rip's a crack-up to watch with closed captions on.

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Let's assume the P3 doesn't change in its lifetime as a device they make. Let's also assume they'll want at least 2-3 years out of it. That means in 2017 they'll be selling a 20 watt device. It's laughable and while I think they'll still sell a ton of them they would have sold way more at 30-50 watts.
Love the wires kid.


On topic though, you have a point, but people are still going to argue about this company's superiority, and have you banned if you say anything to the contrary.


They finally got a flat cap...wooooh.
 

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I already have one provari that I rarely use. I just hate all that scrolling with one button. All that stuff they have on the P3 menu will be worse. Other than than that it looks nice, just not for 250/300. I am sure they will do fine, all the fanboys on here recommend them to every new person who has 60.00 to spend.
 

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I already have one provari that I rarely use. I just hate all that scrolling with one button. All that stuff they have on the P3 menu will be worse. Other than than that it looks nice, just not for 250/300. I am sure they will do fine, all the fanboys on here recommend them to every new person who has 60.00 to spend.

I haven't seen any of those posts. Can you provide some links to examples?
 

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The mini always supported 3 battery sizes, I believe. You just had to buy each piece separately. Now, they're including them (and will be charging for it).

I don't think that aspect has been mentioned, but IMO it's also a strange move. Folks that only want to use 18350's (for example) are paying for items they may never utilize. The individual component aspect was always a plus to me.

Hmmm I just looked last night and the Mini can do a 350 or 490/500 not nothing from the factory for 650. I do see an aftermarket solution though.
 

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Also, I'm surprised by the lack of excitement for the P3. Comparing it to the IPV and Cloupor threads, there's definitely a stark contrast in excitement..
That's because sub ohms and high Watters and cloud chasers wanna come into any thread with the word provari and troll away. They can't be happy with their device preference they also have to come in and insult a device they will never own and anyone who wants it. They just
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I suspect though that 20 watts will be really stable no matter what th batt charge level and that is something the DNA mods can't do yet.

What? The vape on my XPV DNA30 is the same on hour 16 as it is on hour 1. That's with a KFL and a 1.4 ohm ribbon coil at 21 watts. I'm using a tank and a haft in the KFL. Seems stable to me.
 
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