Is Provape in danger of becoming like Blackberry?

[dam718]

Here's the deal folks...

The "Antiquated" VV only ProVari V2/2.5 has been selling like crazy since it's inception. Even today, they still sell like wildfire...

And WHY? Why would anyone still buy this "old" device that simply goes from 2.9V - 6V, and has a comparatively low amp limit? I mean, there are all these other devices that are so much better! Right?

Maybe, just maybe... We don't give a crap about how much horsepower is under the hood... We just want rock solid performance, impeccable build quality, fantastic warranty, customer service that is second to none, and a company that will stand behind us as much as we are willing to stand behind them.

ProVape has established a reputation around the world for building APV's that, although built on an old design, are still to this day regarded as one of the finest on the market even with its limited feature set.

Will they lose some folks because it's not 30W capable? Perhaps... But I'd be willing to bet they gain a lot more who use a Vamo/ZMax etc that are looking for their next device and never looked at a ProVari because it was VV only.

These things will sell... A ton of people will buy them because it now has VW... The fact that the power rating has been increased by 5.5W is a bonus.

And just like now, Every day a new (flavor of the week mod) Vs. ProVari 3 thread will pop up.... And a bunch of people who have never used a ProVari 3 will come in there bashing it, and people that do own one will say it's the best vape out there.

I can't see this 20W being a barrier that is going to hold back the masses... Time will tell

 

[stevegmu]

So if you don't own a Provari then you don't appreciate or understand quality. You talk as if ProVape is the only quality PV maker in the US. They are not the only quality US company that makes PVs.

Those who want to pay China prices for a US mod clearly don't...

 

[Racehorse]

ProVape could have just kept on making new bodies every other month for their ProVape 14500 3.7 volt mod.

If they still sold colored versions of the provape-1 14500, they would sell. Again, you can't even get the small stuff anymore, there are tons of ECFers who love their provape-1's and they never last long in the classies. Nice simple small 14500 mod. Perfect for errands.

 

[stevegmu]

Love my PV-1's. Colors would be nice. They are the ideal starter mod. Safe, reliable- the only chipped mod(safety features, not vv) with a lifetime warranty, compact and very pocketable. Stylish and elegant...

 

[Impulso]

Love my PV-1's. Colors would be nice. They are the ideal starter mod. Safe, reliable- the only chipped mod(safety features, not vv) with a lifetime warranty, compact and very pocketable. Stylish and elegant...

Is that the angle or does the mini look like it has put on a few extra pounds(I'm sure if you ask the mini, it'll tell you that it always looks fatter in pictures)


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[stevegmu]

The PV-1 is just skinny. The tank is also fatter on the Mini- 22mm, vs. 19mm on the PV-1.

 

[Impulso]

The PV-1 is just skinny.

Ahh. I've never seen one in person. Looks like the three inflections would make it feel very nice in the hand.


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[stevegmu]

Ahh. I've never seen one in person. Looks like the three inflections would make it feel very nice in the hand.


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It actually has great hand feel and is well balanced. Ribbed for pleasure, as well.

 

[Impulso]

It actually has great hand feel and is well balanced. Ribbed for pleasure, as well.

Nice! Now THAT'S a marketing slogan!!


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[USMCotaku]

Using the wrong battery could conceivably be an issue in a 30 watt mod, if say the safety features failed for some reason. They could easily bypass those issues by packaging the unit with a suitable battery (at this price range they should anyways), and clearly state in the warranty the accepted batteries to use, and failure to do so would render warranty void.

The early provaris weren't really old technology when they came out, so that argument doesn't really fit.

So I guess I'm just wrong for wanting a vv/vw with provari quality and 30 watts. Whatever. Since they have decided in their infinite wisdom to not make one, I'll have to find my mod elsewhere. Only time will tell if it was a good decision on their part.

 

[protocol]

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Many of the reviewers (including PBusardo and Grimm Green) do contest give-aways of gear that they reviewed previously.

doing a giveaway once a month doesn't offset the amount of goods they receive.

look at the reviewers I mentioned above, the clips where they show-off gear they got; they are receiving TONS of stuff.

also, giveaways are payment themselves. if it's known that your channel has giveaways, more people will subscribe and watch.


note: I'm not accusing the reviewers of being biased (although I wouldn't be surprised if a few are), just pointing out that, as reviewers, they should avoid even the appearance of being biased. bragging about the free stuff you got, wearing free swag (shirt, hats, etc) and talking about the people you hungout with, is about as far in the wrong direction as they could go. imo vape reviewers are a great example of the amateurism that defines this "industry."


imagine Siskel & Ebert (RIP, RIP) talking about all the studio execs they know, bragging about free DVD players and widescreen TVs they receive, and all while sitting there wearing '20th Century Fox' and 'Paramount' shirts, and then saying they're going to do a review of [a 20th Century Fox film] and [a Paramount film] next week.
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[protocol]

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Many of them give a decent amount of it away (obv they keep things too, as would you).

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no, I wouldn't.

I'm not interested in doing reviews, but if I did I would make sure I wasn't being compensated or compromising my independence.

giveaways are free advertising for their channel, so that's a form of payment as well.
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[Racehorse]

Last thing I want is to using a reo and blowing half my nose off(my nose is really long so only half would be affected) if I held it down too long at too much of a current draw?

I've accidentally on purpose collapsed a few REO springs. They collapse quickly and efficiently, there is immediate cut-off from contact w/the battery. So it would not matter how long you "held it down"



This topic reminds me of why and how so many businesses fail.

#1 reason: they can't decide who they want to be.

So many companies over-extend to where they lose track of their mission statement on their business plan.

The key to business these days, when considering a small business, is to "pick a spot". Then, excel in your category.

Provape decides who they want to be, "we want to be X".........and it looks like we have a ton of everyone jumping on them for not being Y, Z, W, and A as well.

Somebody else can choose the 30watt+ category. Just like a provari can't be a joyetech ego twist, it also can't be a 50 watt mod.

I've certainly never wished for my Joyetech Twist to be a Provari. It's good at what it's good at......light weight, inexpensive, extremely portable, etc. It's not a Provari and there is no need for it to be.

 

[Racehorse]

imo vape reviewers are a great example of the amateurism that defines this "industry."

I love all the You Tube videos of the ones who have long, unkempt dirty fingernails and/or you can see glimpses of their apartment which looks like a hovel. And then pan up to face as they take a vape and see 3 days of unshaven stubble. If you're going to do reviews, for goodness sake, dedicate a well lighted space, find a corner that is pleasant looking and clean/uncluttered, and practice some personal hygiene because everything you do is with your hands.

 

[Racehorse]

The PV-1 is just skinny. The tank is also fatter on the Mini- 22mm, vs. 19mm on the PV-1.

I didn't realize the PV-1 was just a tad taller than the mini.
That PV-1 has the absolute BEST diameter/grip of any PV I have ever held

 

[protocol]

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No, but I can imagine food reviewers getting to keep the food.

lol, good point.
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[stevegmu]

I didn't realize the PV-1 was just a tad taller than the mini.
That PV-1 has the absolute BEST diameter/grip of any PV I have ever held

Yes, the Mini in 18350 mode is a shorter than most people realize.

I love them, especially with a tiny tank like the IBTanked HalfLing. If there is a better feeling and more comfortable mod I've never seen it.

 

[protocol]

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I love all the You Tube videos of the ones who have long, unkempt dirty fingernails and/or you can see glimpses of their apartment which looks like a hovel. And then pan up to face as they take a vape and see 3 days of unshaven stubble. If you're going to do reviews, for goodness sake, dedicate a well lighted space, find a corner that is pleasant looking and clean/uncluttered, and practice some personal hygiene because everything you do is with your hands.

or the reviewers that say "I don't know how to pronounce this company's name"--CALL THEM AND ASK.

fwiw, Scott Bonner ('igetcha69' on YouTube) and 'Innapropriate Reviews' on YouTube are both great. they review nice gear and yet aren't afraid to offer criticism or mention issues with the devices.
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[protocol]

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Q: Why does the device not go to 30, 40, 50+ watts and down to lower ohms?

A: The engineers at ProVape believe that this is the limit that they can be assured is safe for Vaping. Safety is of paramount importance to ProVape. Our market is mainstream Vaping. ProVape's mission has always been to provide systems that are effective alternatives to analog cigarettes. We are confident that the voltage/wattage limits give our customers the means to do exactly that.

The post above is what has me curious

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statements like that make me think Provape is in a bubble.

1) with a device north of $200, Provape doesn't have access to the "mainstream" of vapers. enthusiasts sure, but not the "mainstream." I don't think that's a bad price (although north of $250 would be, for what they're selling), but it isn't "mainstream." moreover, the same people who are willing to pay Provape's prices are the same ones that will want the option of going above 20w.

2) the market for people who want the option of going above 20w is bigger than the market that is willing to pay Provape's prices.

it concerns me a bit that Provape doesn't seem to understand these two points.


people might not buy a Bentley for it's horsepower, but that doesn't mean they'll buy one that can't keep up with lesser cars.
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[stevegmu]

Perhaps you should contact Provape about a consulting job. Clearly you know more about the business and their business than they do...