Is " Start Simple" Really a Good Option for Noobs?

[K_Tech]

My thoughts are this: We tend to push new vapers into making it a hobby inadvertently. Some just want to vape instead of smoke. No need for an MVP or anything like that to accomplish it.

People are called "novices" and that word tends to imply there is some sort of apprenticeship involved and that being a hobbyist is the way to do it properly.

BUT
On the other hand, most vapers don't care about a hobby and don't visit forums such as this...some that do visit make a it a hobby, and I like that. I love these forums, and I am sure a lot of people are like me, but I do not intend on making it a hobby and will stick with my "noob" kit CE5 with ego-T. Like I said I love this forum though, so I think the more complicated we make things for a new vaper the more of a turn off for some it can be.
I also shake my head when a new vaper posts a thread about things and the thread turns into a bunch of vets bragging about and pushing all the "advanced" stuff without addressing the new vapers needs at hand. Threads turn into advertisements for products after a few posts, it's happened in this thread.
That makes it all the more complicated if you ask me.
The fact is that there are many "help I'm a noob" threads here, and I notice that as they go along the OP is suggested to spend 50-100 or more bucks to "get the full experience"....doesn't make a lick of sense doing that. I as a noob do not represent all noobs of course...but I went to another forum and did the whole "Hi noob here" thread, and the only things I got were..."Oh get this MVP for only 60 bucks, get the Protank 2, never....oh try a starter kit for 25 bucks.
I mean...some people like me love to research, but most probably don't, they just want good simple info and not be told to spend 60 bucks on a tank. A lot of people when asked for ideas on inexpensive stuff tell someone to get something "only 100 dollars"...that's just goofy. I know that's all subjective....
Sorry I'm ranting now.
I hope I make sense.
Pax.
Anywho.

You make sense, and I tried searching for the post to no avail, but one of our fellow forum members equated vapers with auto owners, and I think it holds true.

I'm going from memory, and hopefully not butchering the quote too badly, but the gist of it was that of all the people that buy cars, 90% of them just want a car to get them from point A to point B.

9% of the owners will "dress up" their cars with things like window tint and aftermarket accessories.

1% are the "modders" that go full bore on their vehicles.

I can definitely see the parallels.

 

[serenity21899]

I think Egos are a good starter choice because they are cheap and offer many options. Cheap is good until one figures out if vaping is what they want to do for the long haul. And options to try all of those clearos to see what works best, or to try out carto tanks. Even with all the info available to us, I still think you need to try out things for yourself.

 

[VaporDragon]

Maybe before giving noobs suggestions on what to get we should be getting a little info from them first. I think the most important question would be if they are just trying it out or if they are planning on sticking with it for the long haul and making a hobby out of it. Also, what their budget is. I think once you know how serious they are about vaping and how much they have to spend then you can give a more informed as well as more helpful opinion. Just my .02$

 

[fabricator4]

Maybe before giving noobs suggestions on what to get we should be getting a little info from them first. I think the most important question would be if they are just trying it out or if they are planning on sticking with it for the long haul and making a hobby out of it. Also, what their budget is. I think once you know how serious they are about vaping and how much they have to spend then you can give a more informed as well as more helpful opinion. Just my .02$

The point is that a newcomer usually does not know what they want. By the time they know that it's going to be a hobby they already know what to get and don't really need to ask. There are exceptions of course, but the average person doesn't want a hobby, they just want to find out if it will work well enough to get them off the cigarettes.

To that end, it's much more important to find out what kind of smoker they are/where - what they smoked and how many. That will have a lot more bearing on what kind of starter kit they should be looking at.

An obsession with mods and RDA/RBA's or whatever comes later.

 

[Blender47]

I think I spent as much on crappy tasting eciggs from the liquor store when I was just curious as I spent on my Vamo V3. New users are suspecting that they're gonna smoke analogs along side the ecigg so $50 bucks is hard to spend for some on a PV. Too bad the $20 eciggs at the convenience store terribly mis-represent the true vape experience.

 

[Weizenheimer]

My wife bought a Blu kit kinda "out of the blue." It was rather problematic and led to reverting to cigarettes frequently. It was enough to get me investigating for myself though. So, a couple weeks later I bought a Provari Mini as my first PV and do not regret it. I instantly stopped a 28 year smoking habit in the middle of an afternoon when I had been smoking already that day and still had smokes laying around. I would have been happy for her to get one too, but she ended up getting an Ego X6 at a local shop. The X6 works ok, but I prefer the Provari especially since I have already gotten a couple RDAs and like having the built in ohm reading.

 

[Racehorse]

I think the most important question would be if they are just trying it out or if they are planning on sticking with it for the long haul and making a hobby out of it.

If they are new, they might not know the answer to that yet. (some people do not take to vaping and end up using snus or something else)

But agree with everything else you said.

You cannot go wrong with a simple ego setup to start with. These later become backup.

Or not.

I say this because there are PLENTY (and this isn't expressed often enough) of VETERAN vapers who prefer ego setups, and some who prefer minis, and are vaping away happily years later, using these devices and have gotten off stinkies that way.

Many are happy this way and successful too.


If you are new, this setup will tell you if you need "more" or is you need "less".......then they can go from there.

 

[DragonDave]

I definitely agree. I am pretty much a vape noob (a bit over 3 months) and I started out with the ol eGo twist / protank II set up. As I learned the "simple" things such as when I had to change a coil. What a ongoing burn't juice taste is actually was like etc etc.
At the same time I was watching youtube vids educating myself about different types of mods, juices etc etc.

I now use a Semovar apv w/ a Nimbus rba. I really enjoy dripping & rebuilding it is both fun and very fulfilling. I still use my protank / ego twist set ups because they are ez to take on the run etc.

 

[diggyb]

I'm a n00b and I'm already on my 3rd setup. In a week, I went from Blu to Vapor X to the Protank 3/Vision Spinner 1300 that I just ordered today.

I would have liked to skip the first two steps. Even though I've been a PAD smoker for 20+ years, I am not trying to replicate the experience at all. I don't care about throat hit, and tobacco flavored juices don't interest me at all. I just need the nicotine (for now) and need to see a decent amount of vapor on exhale to feel satisfied.

 

[Stosh]

I'm a n00b and I'm already on my 3rd setup. In a week, I went from Blu to Vapor X to the Protank 3/Vision Spinner 1300 that I just ordered today.

I would have liked to skip the first two steps. Even though I've been a PAD smoker for 20+ years, I am not trying to replicate the experience at all. I don't care about throat hit, and tobacco flavored juices don't interest me at all. I just need the nicotine (for now) and need to see a decent amount of vapor on exhale to feel satisfied.

Sounds like you're on the road to recovery!! Welcome to ECF!!

The question would be, if you had to start at step 3, would have you started at all??
The cost of the first 2 steps, chump change...take the cost of a pack of smokes multiply by 365 then multiply by 20, compare that to what you spent on the first trials, puts it in perspective.

 

[diggyb]

Thanks

I think if the setup I just bought was all that was available in the gas station when I saw the Blu's, I would have started, ya.

I think as more options become available locally, more and more people will start quitting. The first juices I bought were from a glass case in the gas station and every time I buy them from a different cashier, they also ask me questions about them "do they really work??" "are they good??" "do you like them??" etc..

Very true about the cost - that's how I've justified shelling out the cash for these three steps and juices in only a week!

(is there autocorrect in this forum? I'm finding myself editing my posts a lot to correct things I don't usually do wrong :/).