Is the term 'ecig' doing harm to the cause?
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How come when I click your link, ECF is on p.2 or around #10 on my search, but for you is #4?
I personally do not like the term e-cig but unfortunately as stated above it is probably too late to change it.
What I do believe will harm vaping more is insisting that ecigs helped us "quit" smoking instead of stating that we "switched" to a less harmful choice of nicotine delivery.
Stating that ecigs helped us "quit" smoking gives power to the people that want it controlled by big pharma by making it appear to be a smoking cessation aid (ie: Nicorette gum, the patch, and "gasp" Chantix (doctors love to prescribe Chantix because it causes so many other issues that will need to be treated resulting in more $$$ spent on medical issues))
So instead of say ecigs helped you "quit" smoking just tell people you switched to a less harmful way of getting your nicotine.
(and if any antivaping people try to pick a fight with you about flavors being marketed to children just tell them it tastes horrible but that is a sacrifice you are willing to make - maybe throw in a fake gag after taking a vape - it will confuse them to have us lie like they do)
What I do believe will harm vaping more is insisting that ecigs helped us "quit" smoking instead of stating that we "switched" to a less harmful choice of nicotine delivery.
Stating that ecigs helped us "quit" smoking gives power to the people that want it controlled by big pharma by making it appear to be a smoking cessation aid (ie: Nicorette gum, the patch, and "gasp" Chantix (doctors love to prescribe Chantix because it causes so many other issues that will need to be treated resulting in more $$$ spent on medical issues))
So instead of say ecigs helped you "quit" smoking just tell people you switched to a less harmful way of getting your nicotine.
(and if any antivaping people try to pick a fight with you about flavors being marketed to children just tell them it tastes horrible but that is a sacrifice you are willing to make - maybe throw in a fake gag after taking a vape - it will confuse them to have us lie like they do)
Because your Google AdPay cookie is parsing the search differently .. I just double checked my link .. BLU #1, ECF #4 .. on page one ..
First time I was ever questioned in public on what my volt was, it was on a cruise. I was out on deck reading and vaping happily away with the waves crashing. No one was around. A young lady and man walked up and asked a few questions. I told her what it was and that it contained nicotine. She said I guess you could put nicotine in it. She thought it had some other substance in it which is illegal in most of the states.
Well, for one, this forum is called the "e-cigarette forum." 
I think the main trigger for the direction of this industry's future is money; by way of increasingly shrinking tobacco tax revenues the Fed/States will see firsthand as time goes on. This is usually what starts unnecessary legislation and/or additional control/taxing, so as that looms closer, I think 2014 will likely be the year of the DIY's, or hoarder's, ...IDK, I guess we'll just have to see.
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I think the main trigger for the direction of this industry's future is money; by way of increasingly shrinking tobacco tax revenues the Fed/States will see firsthand as time goes on. This is usually what starts unnecessary legislation and/or additional control/taxing, so as that looms closer, I think 2014 will likely be the year of the DIY's, or hoarder's, ...IDK, I guess we'll just have to see.
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When I first started vaping, I saw on the forum here people relaying stories just like yours, about people thinking something other than nic was in the PV. So, I did a little research, and found out that vaporizing is common in the illicit smokable world, and even in the MedicalM states, they do make cartos pre-filled with their "medicine" that has generic 510 connectors so it works with our PV's.
Really, I don't think it matters what we call our gear, people will try to regulate it no matter what. Just my personal opinion here, but seeing how far certain organizations have come with MedicalM and in states like Colorado and Washington, maybe we should take a page or two from their playbook, it couldn't hurt. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying to align ourselves with their cause, we should definitely keep the two separate, but they must be doing something right in the education department to get so many voters to change their minds.
This is my Blu. It does not work well, but it looks like a cigarette, and does everything it can to mimic one. Therefore, it's okay to call it an "e-cigarette".
This is my PV. It is not a cigarette. It does not look like a cigarette. You can call it an e-cigarette, but to me, it is a PV, or "shiny". "PV" sounds cooler, anyway.
This is my eJuice. It's a silly name, but it works. And tastes delicious.
What I am doing is called vaping. I am not smoking. That's all that matters. There's a crucial and massive difference. If you call it smoking, I will simply correct you, as nice a way as I can.
And dang it, smoking got all the good words a long time ago, so I'll use theirs as I see fit. Like "taking a draw", "taking a puff", etc.
This is my PV. It is not a cigarette. It does not look like a cigarette. You can call it an e-cigarette, but to me, it is a PV, or "shiny". "PV" sounds cooler, anyway.
This is my eJuice. It's a silly name, but it works. And tastes delicious.
What I am doing is called vaping. I am not smoking. That's all that matters. There's a crucial and massive difference. If you call it smoking, I will simply correct you, as nice a way as I can.
And dang it, smoking got all the good words a long time ago, so I'll use theirs as I see fit. Like "taking a draw", "taking a puff", etc.
Oh, those guys have been using our stuff for years to sell their stuff - the only way their stuff is legal is it's advertised as being used to smoke tobacco or herbs.
I don't think it's an issue.
Yet.
Well, the truth is there are still many smokers out there who need to be attracted.
In one of the e-mails I sent to Portuguese MEP's, when the EU was trying to medicalize the e-cig (an intended de-fact ban), I remember using exactly the widespread name of our devices to argue that we vapers do not feel ill, nor do we require any 'medication', nor the e-cig should be considered a medicine. Something like:
"The very name of the product (electronic cigarettes) makes the distinction between someone who is trying to stop using cigarettes (nicotine + behavioural side) using NRT's, from someone who wants to keep the behavioral aspect os cigarette use, maybe even the recreational use of nicotine, but using a much less harmful alternative. Those people want to quit 'smoking' only in the very strict sense of the word: stop inhaling harmful cigarette smoke, while keeping the other aspects of 'smoking'."
This was one of the best arguments I could find at the time to convince our MEP's that vapers do not look at the e-cig as a stop-smoking medication, but rather as an healthier alternative to other products already in the market. Much like non-alchoolic beer: it is not sold as a kind of medication to prevent/fight alchool abuse, nor does it require medical standards to remain in market.
Anyway, the bans did not start because of what we, or the industry, name our devices... the lies and misinformation started at least around 2009, if not earlier, when there were not many of us to give the e-cig a bad reputation. Back then, junk-science about the e-cig was already being spread by 'health' associations mainly sponsored by Big Pharma. BP was one of the players who had much to lose by the potencial threat of the e-cigarette.
Aye people can call it whatever they want. It really doesn't matter in the end. Bottom line it is what is, a device that allows us to deliver nicotine to our bodies, well at least for me. By trying to call it something other than an e-cig is trying to hide from the real issues.
Personally, I think our government is screwed up. It is fine to ban smoking from inside government ran public spaces. Forcing private establishments to ban smoking is going way above that line. Each individual establishment should have their choice to decide. Supposedly we are humans.. the highest intelligence on the planet. If the government really feels we cannot make a conscious decision whether or not to enter an establishment that allows smoking, then our species has greater problems than smoking.
Our choices are being eroded more and more every year. Our freedoms decline for the freedoms of others. Whatever the PC crowd declares the new demon. That is the real issue not whether we call these things e-cigs, pipes, vaporizer or whatever.
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Which will be interesting ECF stance (if that ever changes) as this stuff becomes legal in the states.
There is only one way to bridge the gap between entrenched smokers and vaping. That word is "e-cigarette". We've all been converted, so you're preaching to the choir. They need that for it to work for them. The last thing a grizzled old smoker wants is a young hipster Lt. Data spouting information they're not ready to hear yet. We are all glad we've broken free from real cigs, but seriously, come on, just because you made the quantum leap doesn't mean others can follow in your footsteps. It'll always be an "e-cig".
And one thing I cannot fathom... All of you post in the ECF forum... the ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE FORUM. I've never heard of anyone stumbling into a Star Trek forum and acting all confused because there's no Star Wars. Dude, get used to it. There is no other way for us to convert new people if we're all stuck-up and using sci-fi descriptions. We want to save people, right? In order to do that, we need to be on their level. Have none of you ever gone to church?!?!
And one thing I cannot fathom... All of you post in the ECF forum... the ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE FORUM. I've never heard of anyone stumbling into a Star Trek forum and acting all confused because there's no Star Wars. Dude, get used to it. There is no other way for us to convert new people if we're all stuck-up and using sci-fi descriptions. We want to save people, right? In order to do that, we need to be on their level. Have none of you ever gone to church?!?!
I'm trying! It's honestly hard when some of "their" terms are used by us as well.
The Forum - E-Cigarette - General E-Smoking Discussion
Are we off topic for not carrying on conversations about General E-Smoking... Smoking is after all
the name of this sub-forum... Discussion purpose... do you SMOKE? are you Smoking?
Why are you posting here if you are not a Smoker?
Are we off topic for not carrying on conversations about General E-Smoking... Smoking is after all
the name of this sub-forum... Discussion purpose... do you SMOKE? are you Smoking?
Why are you posting here if you are not a Smoker?
Two things. Number one, I'm atheist, so no, I don't go to church. Secondly, I used to be a paramedic, so I figure I've already saved enough people thus far. And thirdly, I can't remember where I was going with this......
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