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Is the term 'ecig' doing harm to the cause?
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Because I couldn't get an invite to the cool forum, that's why. Plus, the people here are more fun to mess with.
It's a mentality. Help the ones who need it. Not the ones who don't need it. The ones who don't need it need to help the one's who do. ;-)
"Why are you posting here if you are not a Smoker? "
HUH???
You mean, this is a smokers forum? Like a club?? I would hope it's a non smokers forum, right?
I would argue that neither you nor I are more entitled to our opinion, whether we smoked for 50 years and joined the forum 5 years ago. Or, never smoked and just joined the forum today.
HUH???
You mean, this is a smokers forum? Like a club?? I would hope it's a non smokers forum, right?
I would argue that neither you nor I are more entitled to our opinion, whether we smoked for 50 years and joined the forum 5 years ago. Or, never smoked and just joined the forum today.
I'm truly not trying to belittle anyone here... just attempting to get the point across that
as long as we use the name e-cig (Electronic Cigarettes) we are seen as the enemy by John and Jane Doe PUBLIC
And we are (in their eyes) no better than the BIGGEST of tobacco companies....
They see us as coming after their children.... e-cigarettes ... cancerous killers after their families...
cigarettes the one that takes out over 400,000 lives a year just in the USA... and should be stopped in all forms...
And we call our Vaporizers.... electronic cigarettes.... and the MASSES of the public see us as their enemy!
and as long as we have Cigarettes attached to our name... nothing will change or do anything except get worse!
Have to respectfully disagree. I fully understand that argument, but there is no convincing me it should be changed. Or even could. To a complete noob, my mod will still be described as "just a great big e-cig".
Sent from RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!
Sent from RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!
" as we use the name e-cig (Electronic Cigarettes) we are seen as the enemy"
Ahh, I misunderstood you. Sorry and, I agree with you! I'm not trying to start a name change rally. Gimme a break! LOL. I posed a question, that's all. In the end, we are at the mercy of those much more powerful, for now. Look what just happened in Colorado or, any of these states. Whodathunk? Personally, if it would save vaping, call it anything. It doesn't matter what we think we know.
As a side, I don't smoke cigs. Quit many years ago. I can not recall which website but, I remember reading a Caution We strongly advise anyone who does not smoke cigarettes to not vape either. This was from a site who sells both juice and hardware.
I've been playing a game with myself to avoid remembering that
Ahh, I misunderstood you. Sorry and, I agree with you! I'm not trying to start a name change rally. Gimme a break! LOL. I posed a question, that's all. In the end, we are at the mercy of those much more powerful, for now. Look what just happened in Colorado or, any of these states. Whodathunk? Personally, if it would save vaping, call it anything. It doesn't matter what we think we know.
As a side, I don't smoke cigs. Quit many years ago. I can not recall which website but, I remember reading a Caution We strongly advise anyone who does not smoke cigarettes to not vape either. This was from a site who sells both juice and hardware.
I've been playing a game with myself to avoid remembering that
And changing the terminology from "e-cigarette" to "happy pumpkin" magically makes all that vanish?
No.
What's that?
It's my happy pumpkin.
What's that for?
Well it ahhh ummm err...
You magic name change just got stopped dead in it's tracks. Sorry, this is a pointless discussion that has been pointlessly discussed to death here far more times than the topic deserves consideration.
If it weren't for the fact that the vast majority of us using e-cigarettes are now former smokers there wouldn't be such a strong connection between the two products. Perhaps pointing that out is a far better thing to do than trying to wave magic wands thinking that connection can be made to vanish. It can't. Sorry. There is a point to why we use e-cigarettes. Corrupting the youth of America isn't one of those points. Stand up and make those points known, rather than trying to hide behind a magic veil of semantics.
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What is doing really harm to the cause, is not whatever we call our devices. What is doing really harm to the cause is not the disrespectful, 'in-your-face' vapers (not that I agree with their stance). What is doing really harm to the cause, is the obvious success of our devices in keeping us away from tobacco, whithout needing the help of Pharma useless products:
http://tobaccoanalysis . blogspot.pt/2014/01/new-study-finds-that-nicotine.html
This success is a two-bladed razor: it is, of course, great for us, but because it works so well, it got under the sight of Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, and of course Big Govt, who desperately needs the fat profits generated by tobacco taxes.
Before the e-cig, Big Pharma would sell you crappy products that just did not work, just like shown in the link above. Big Pharma was counting on us to buy those products over and over again. On the other hand, Big Tobacco would not really worry when we (for a brief time) stopped buying their products because we were buying Pharma products. Most of us would fail anyway, so Big T would just wait for us to return. And of course, Big Govt would just wait also, to start once again collecting those fat taxes from us.
Get this: Big T and Big P are not really opponents. They are more like partners in bed. And all the while, Big Govt just stood there watching while Big P selled us snake-oil products, that were not meant to work, in order to keep a good revenue from tobacco.
So, all three of them had a lot to lose with the arrival of this new thing: the e-cig, something that finally works at keeping people away from tobacco, and that is not sold by Big P. Well, too bad, Big P: this happened because you were not really interested in coming up with something that worked.
That is why the lies and misinformation, the early attacks on our devices, started at a time when the name 'e-cig' was not so widespread. When there were not many of disrespectful vapers to give vaping a bad reputation. Most of those in 'health' assotiations sponsored by Big P, who were crying for e-cig bans, had not even seen one by then.
No, friends: The e-cig is being a victim of it's own success, paired with the greed of those three players who want desperately to keep their status quo, as it was prior to the arrival of the e-cig. It is THEM, their junk-science and their crappy 'studies' made to misinform general people around us, that we must fight.
What we call our devices won't mean a rat's behind in this war we're fighing. THEY have made their minds, a long time ago, to destroy the e-cig industry.
http://tobaccoanalysis . blogspot.pt/2014/01/new-study-finds-that-nicotine.html
This success is a two-bladed razor: it is, of course, great for us, but because it works so well, it got under the sight of Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, and of course Big Govt, who desperately needs the fat profits generated by tobacco taxes.
Before the e-cig, Big Pharma would sell you crappy products that just did not work, just like shown in the link above. Big Pharma was counting on us to buy those products over and over again. On the other hand, Big Tobacco would not really worry when we (for a brief time) stopped buying their products because we were buying Pharma products. Most of us would fail anyway, so Big T would just wait for us to return. And of course, Big Govt would just wait also, to start once again collecting those fat taxes from us.
Get this: Big T and Big P are not really opponents. They are more like partners in bed. And all the while, Big Govt just stood there watching while Big P selled us snake-oil products, that were not meant to work, in order to keep a good revenue from tobacco.
So, all three of them had a lot to lose with the arrival of this new thing: the e-cig, something that finally works at keeping people away from tobacco, and that is not sold by Big P. Well, too bad, Big P: this happened because you were not really interested in coming up with something that worked.
That is why the lies and misinformation, the early attacks on our devices, started at a time when the name 'e-cig' was not so widespread. When there were not many of disrespectful vapers to give vaping a bad reputation. Most of those in 'health' assotiations sponsored by Big P, who were crying for e-cig bans, had not even seen one by then.
No, friends: The e-cig is being a victim of it's own success, paired with the greed of those three players who want desperately to keep their status quo, as it was prior to the arrival of the e-cig. It is THEM, their junk-science and their crappy 'studies' made to misinform general people around us, that we must fight.
What we call our devices won't mean a rat's behind in this war we're fighing. THEY have made their minds, a long time ago, to destroy the e-cig industry.
I agree, it's pretty much too late to change the name. I'm sorry that the thread kinda went off the wrong way. Thinking that I or anyone else was rallying for a name change!! LOL. It was posed for thought. More like "if we had it to do all over again" I'm guess initial short term thinking was this will only serve as a device for smokers who want their nicotine (which doesn't have the greatest ring to it, imo) but not the other garbage. I know I'm in a small minority of folks who do it with zero nic and for pure pleasure, relaxation, and taste. It's my Binky!
Alright? There, I said it!!
Again, I've said that a few times and many others have rehashed the same points over and over Time to close the thread? Any seconds and thirds??
Alright? There, I said it!!
Again, I've said that a few times and many others have rehashed the same points over and over
Time to close the thread? Any seconds and thirds??
I was looking at the ProVape 1 ... how is that device? as good as the Provari?
when I click the link E-cig forum is at #1 and E-cigarette wikipedia is number 2
Leaded or unleaded, caffeine or caffeine free, regular or diet Coke, tobacco cig or ecig, they are all terms of distinction.
When people ask me what's the difference in a cigarette or an e-cigarette since they both contain nicotine, I tell them, "That one will kill you, this one won't".
When people ask me what's the difference in a cigarette or an e-cigarette since they both contain nicotine, I tell them, "That one will kill you, this one won't".
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It is as well made and has a lifetime warranty. Basically a mech with safety features and a switch that will outlast mech switches. Feels great in the hand, looks great. Is the same diameter as pro tank 2 s, so they look good on it. It is well balanced and the 14500 batteries last quite a while and are inexpensive. I have 2 and will pick up a couple more next order at ProVape. They are non regulated, but that isn't an issue. I know my juice and what resistance coils to use, so get a great vape out of it. I like them for out and about use.
It's funny (to me at least) that there is about 7 or 8 of these threads a year Debating whether or Not "e-Cigs" makes a Bad Connotation.
But you Never Really see a Thread about is using the term "Juice" Appropriate?
One pops up Once and awhile. But it is Kinda Rare.
But you Never Really see a Thread about is using the term "Juice" Appropriate?
One pops up Once and awhile. But it is Kinda Rare.
Actually I believe it is an e-cig forum. Whether you still smoke is irrelevant.
I happen to still smoke cigars.
I don't think the Issue of Using Any Term to describe how we put Nicotine into our bodies is so Definitively Defined as you describe.
And we are Not Quite living in a George Orwellian World where if you can Remove a Word from the Lexicon, you can Also Remove a Concept.
If nicknames for ecigs had to accurately describe the hardware, ecigs would be advertised as alternative nicotine delivery devices. That sounds way too sinister. Ecig sounds suitable and far more friendly.
If you Google "nicotine delivery devices" you get all sorts of articles about antifreeze and how bad they are for you. I'll stick with ecigs.
If you Google "nicotine delivery devices" you get all sorts of articles about antifreeze and how bad they are for you. I'll stick with ecigs.
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