I just don't get why they would give out psych medication to non-psych patients just for smoking cigarettes… It seems really drastic and like overkill, not to mention risky and dangerous.
Is there a conspiracy behind Chantix and Wellbutrin?
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I had a friend who had very good results with Chantix. Gave her vivid nightmares, though. And she is the only one that did fairly well on it. Was able to quit smoking and is still smoke free 6 years later. Everyone else I know had to get off of it due to the horrific side effects. I would probably have continued smoking rather than take the Chantix, but I found the e cig and have bee smoke free ever since.
As far as the Chantix goes; at least 500 confirmed deaths and it's currently the number one medication, legal or illegal, for violent behavior. Pfizer specifically weeded out anyone with depression from their original studies.
I invest in pharmaceutical companies, particularly startups. When I reviewed the data on Chantix, I discovered that what Pfizer had submitted to the FDA was one of the most egregious examples of data-mining I've ever seen. Also understand that Pfizer has reserved over a quarter billion dollars to settle some of the wrongful death lawsuits over the use of Chantix.
Here's what prompted my examination of Pfizer's data. Back when I coached youth baseball, one of our dad-helpers tried Chantix (his wife was seriously on his back to quit smoking). Bear in mind that he was one of the nicest, most mild-mannered and stable persons I've ever known. After one week on Chantix, he beat his wife so severely that she wound up in the hospital for three weeks. Needless to say, when she got out, she immediately sued him for divorce.
Chantix is one bad drug!
^ Jeez! I wonder if part of the problem is that it suddenly blocks all your nicotine receptors. When they do that with opiate addicts, they have to be tied down because they suddenly break out in agitation and violence because they're suddenly in severe withdrawal. I wonder if Chantix does something similar?
That's an excellent question. It certainly does something drastic in the brain to cause all of these horrible problems for people.
Let me tell you about the side effects of Chantix. When it first came out my doctor prescribed it for me. The nicotine patch gave me contact dermatitis (my arm was swollen up to twice its normal size). I tried the nicotine gum, but it gave me a horrible sore throat. Chantix is a product that needs to be taken off the market IMO.
I began to hallucinate the 4th day on that crap. First it was auditory hallucinations, terrifying nightmares, then it changed into a full blown hallucination where I though there were Dinosaurs fighting in my back yard. It may sound funny to you, but it was utterly terrifying and completely real to me. My wife took me into the emergency room that night and they bombed me out with Zyprexa and Valium.
After that nasty experience I began smoking again, but found vaping as an alternative in 2011. Big Pharma and Big tobacco, their aim is clear, they want you to be on their products and give them your money. It's all about greed and nothing else, they could care less about your health or state of mind, all they want is your money and for you to keep buying their products.
I began to hallucinate the 4th day on that crap. First it was auditory hallucinations, terrifying nightmares, then it changed into a full blown hallucination where I though there were Dinosaurs fighting in my back yard. It may sound funny to you, but it was utterly terrifying and completely real to me. My wife took me into the emergency room that night and they bombed me out with Zyprexa and Valium.
After that nasty experience I began smoking again, but found vaping as an alternative in 2011. Big Pharma and Big tobacco, their aim is clear, they want you to be on their products and give them your money. It's all about greed and nothing else, they could care less about your health or state of mind, all they want is your money and for you to keep buying their products.
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when I took champix, I continued to have cigarette cravings but just found that they couldn't be satisfied by smoking. That was strange , so I stopped taking them and had to wait a day or two before I my cigarettes worked again. I was still having full blown cravings and all the psychological madness that comes with them, but just couldn't satisfy them .
So it's sounding like I'm not only not unique, I got rather lucky. Yeah, sign me up for this stuff.
What's really scary is that...if this drug has so many issues, how many others are out there that you don't know about?
My instinct to always ask for a drug with a long history when I need something prescribed is once again proven correct.
What's really scary is that...if this drug has so many issues, how many others are out there that you don't know about?
My instinct to always ask for a drug with a long history when I need something prescribed is once again proven correct.
I tried Wellbutrin when it was first talked about for smoking cessation. My psychiatrist prescribed it for me since it wasn't labelled for smoking at that time. It did nothing to help me quit smoking, but did turn out to be perfect in combination with my other antidepressant to bring me past just maintaining to actually feeling like people who don't have major depression feel.
I tried Chantix and made it less than a week before I knew it was causing major problems. I think that if it is prescribed at all, it should definitely NOT be prescribed to anyone with known mental health issues, and monitored very carefully in anyone else.
I tried Chantix and made it less than a week before I knew it was causing major problems. I think that if it is prescribed at all, it should definitely NOT be prescribed to anyone with known mental health issues, and monitored very carefully in anyone else.
At one point Wellbutrin helped with my depression, too, but it ended up just being too agitating and energizing. I was on Prozac recently and it was similar, but caused spells of derealization and depersonalization. I had to be taken off it cold turkey and put onto Trazodone XR/Oleptro instead. I had asked about Chantix on numerous occasions with numerous physicians - a respiratory specialist, an internist, a family practitioner and several different psychiatrists and they all refused to prescribe it or let me take it. I think it must definitely exacerbate symptoms in people who are mentally ill because I've always had the carte blanche to try nearly any psych med that I thought was worth giving a try, yet they were always adamant that I NEVER go on Chantix, no matter what. That opinion has stuck out to me to this day…
after everything I've read about Chantix it wasn't even an option for consideration for me. the disclaimers in the commercials are scary enough. having tried everything (patches, gums, wellbutrin) over the years, and not wanting to go anywhere near Chantixville, is what helped steer me to seriously consider vaping.
though i do have to give credit to wellbutrin. i went on it in '09 and, while it didn't help me quit smoking, it did help me cut down from a pack a day to between 2-8 ciggies a day ... depending on my stress level. so by the time i started vaping last june it wasn't difficult to give up tobacco the moment my starter kit arrived.
though i do have to give credit to wellbutrin. i went on it in '09 and, while it didn't help me quit smoking, it did help me cut down from a pack a day to between 2-8 ciggies a day ... depending on my stress level. so by the time i started vaping last june it wasn't difficult to give up tobacco the moment my starter kit arrived.
Wellbutrin allowed me to cut down on smoking, but never stop. Can't remember why I went off of it, but I didn't have a bad reaction to it. It gave me a bit more energy, but they say you shouldn't take it if you've got anxiety, which I do.
Doesn't have to be a conspiracy.
Is like car makers. Sometimes, cars don't get recalled but whatever is wrong gets quietly fixed or replaced without you even knowing it.
Internal communication between maker and outlets.
Same isn't unknown with pharmaceuticals.
Doctors get advised to - well...erm - hold off on prescribing it.
So your doc may feel that the side effects outweigh the potential positive effects and decided not to use you as a guinea pig.
Is like car makers. Sometimes, cars don't get recalled but whatever is wrong gets quietly fixed or replaced without you even knowing it.
Internal communication between maker and outlets.
Same isn't unknown with pharmaceuticals.
Doctors get advised to - well...erm - hold off on prescribing it.
So your doc may feel that the side effects outweigh the potential positive effects and decided not to use you as a guinea pig.
My own opinion is Chantix should be taken off the market, due to the suicides and murders caused by it's side effects.
Maybe that's what they're doing - through the backdoor.
An official recall would get all kinds of official and officious attention. Plus a lot of ambulance chasers snapping to attention...
Could turn into a costly affair.
Easier then to let it gather dust on the pharmacy shelves and later announce this particular brand will be 'discontinued' due to lack of market accpetance. A lack that you've engineered before...
Disclaimer: I didn't read all the posts so this may have already been mentioned. If so, please disregard.
There was a class action lawsuit last year, or a couple of years ago, that granted 3,000 cases to be compensated by Pfizer because of the horrible side effects. Your doctor is both being responsible by not prescribing it to you and also is afraid of a possible malpractice lawsuit.
I took Welbutrin for a couple of years and it didn't make a dent in my smoking habit. All it did was making me walk around like in a fog. I finally decided to stop because I was seeing my life go by without experiencing emotions.
There was a class action lawsuit last year, or a couple of years ago, that granted 3,000 cases to be compensated by Pfizer because of the horrible side effects. Your doctor is both being responsible by not prescribing it to you and also is afraid of a possible malpractice lawsuit.
I took Welbutrin for a couple of years and it didn't make a dent in my smoking habit. All it did was making me walk around like in a fog. I finally decided to stop because I was seeing my life go by without experiencing emotions.
It's just too bad they lack the cojones to admit that they effed up and do an official, national recall.
Yeah, I saw one yesterday afternoon on the same station that the Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil show come on...
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Someone did mention this but it's actually worth mentioning again in my opinion. The point you brought up at the end is new… That my doctors are probably afraid to prescribe it to a person with clinical depression due to malpractice and liability. I'm actually considering a lawsuit about a different medication that I was put on that wasn't approved for psychiatric use at all and caused me life-threatening obstructive bowel syndrome which required surgery, and isn't listed as a side-effect in the package insert. Despite the surgery, they kept me on it for 3.5 years and then all the doctors that prescribed it just up and left one day and I was left to taper off it on my own. Anyway, my current doctors know this happened and they knew about this when I was asking about Chantix, so your point about malpractice and liability is probably a major issue here in my own personal case.
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