is there a possibility that ProVari will be available in VV/VW

[317Vapers]

I'd like to see it cause i love the quality of the provari and i like the gadgets of things. Hell if you had a provari with a mp3 player and clock and harmony 900 remote control functions I'd probably buy that too lol

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[AaronM]

I'd like to see it cause i love the quality of the provari and i like the gadgets of things. Hell if you had a provari with a mp3 player and clock and harmony 900 remote control functions I'd probably buy that too lol

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317Vapers

Hell Yes I would buy a ProVari with a built in Harmony remote!

 

[KY_Rob]

The lack of VW delayed my ProVari purchases buy nearly 2 months. Being able to set power and not have to mess around with a calculator was and is still important to me. The tasks aren't difficult, but force me to stop what I'm doing and change my focus to something other than the device before I can make a desired change.

At the end of the day, I settled for having to do some simple math, and went forth and bought my ProVari's. I do not regret it even a little bit, as the vape is outstanding.

As right now, the only thing that's even close in actual performance are DNA20 based mods. ProVari still wins for me, because of battery life supremacy. For those wanting to drive a sub-ohm coil, DNA20 wins on that ability. For the moment, those are the major differentiating factors in my mind.

ProVape has done a wonderful thing with the ProVari, and truly made an industry game changer. It's proven in every aspect of performance and reliability, backed up with world-class customer service.

But the fact remains, ProVari is starting to get a little long in the tooth. Customers are starting to demand some of the breakthrough features offered on most cheap Chinese mods today. And sadly, the response from ProVape has bordered on arrogant, and is nearly non-existent.

So ProVape, I beg you...Continue to innovate. Continue to lead the industry. Do not become complacent. Listen to your customers. Be aware of what's going on around you. STAY RELEVANT!

 

[Crash Moses]

The lack of VW delayed my ProVari purchases buy nearly 2 months. Being able to set power and not have to mess around with a calculator was and is still important to me. The tasks aren't difficult, but force me to stop what I'm doing and change my focus to something other than the device before I can make a desired change.

At the end of the day, I settled for having to do some simple math, and went forth and bought my ProVari's. I do not regret it even a little bit, as the vape is outstanding.

As right now, the only thing that's even close in actual performance are DNA20 based mods. ProVari still wins for me, because of battery life supremacy. For those wanting to drive a sub-ohm coil, DNA20 wins on that ability. For the moment, those are the major differentiating factors in my mind.

ProVape has done a wonderful thing with the ProVari, and truly made an industry game changer. It's proven in every aspect of performance and reliability, backed up with world-class customer service.

But the fact remains, ProVari is starting to get a little long in the tooth. Customers are starting to demand some of the breakthrough features offered on most cheap Chinese mods today. And sadly, the response from ProVape has bordered on arrogant, and is nearly non-existent.

So ProVape, I beg you...Continue to innovate. Continue to lead the industry. Do not become complacent. Listen to your customers. Be aware of what's going on around you. STAY RELEVANT!

Yup, have to agree here. I love my Provari but I rotate multiple top with different flavors constantly and it would be nice to be able to just set it at 8 watts and forget about it.

I don't mind have to change voltages all that much considering the quality of the vape I get from the Provari but others do and I think Provape could really expand their customer base with an updated model.

 

[Harplayr]

I thought it would be a dealbreaker too until I got my Anyvape CVI and played around with VW.

What I found was VW in theory is the holy grail, but in practice I ended up having to make adjustments when vaping different clearos. Even though 8 watts is 8 watts and everything should vape the same, each coil is different with some being a tad gunked up or not and each clearo delivers juice a bit differently. I still found myself making adjustments when changing clearos.

So in reality, whether I fine tune using VV or fine tune using VW, I'm still pressing buttons after a change to optimize my vape. Now while VW is still a plus, it has dropped down a few pegs in my must have list.

 

[KY_Rob]

Lets assume that eventually, all the other guys get up to the same quality and reliability levels of ProVape...it really isn't a matter of "if", its "when".

As of right now, these things are a large part of what keeps the Provari as arguably the "king of the hill". The other guys simply haven't gotten up the curve yet.

So lets assume by the end of 2014, the VAMO's, the ?-MAX's, the MVP/SVD's (the pretty much all use a similar chip set), have overcame the quality hurdles. Before the meltdowns happen, remember this is all hypothetical.

So at this point most mods have figured out how to be rugged. Now what sets them apart? Assuming nothing changes in the electronics or firmware, 800Hz still beats 33.3Hz as far as vapor quality. I think that last assumption is very improbable and even silly. Of course the chipsets are going to evolve as well.

So as I see it, ProVape needs to release the next generation kick-... device, no later than Q4 of 2013 to continue leading the charge.

None of the others have produced a game changer yet. They're all still imitating, but not duplicating "yet". It's only a matter of time. ProVape, can you feel the competitions breath on your neck yet?

 

[Kataphraktos]

The real innovation that will drive sales will be to make such premium devices as easy to use as a disposable like Blu. One cannot expect most people to mess around with attys, RBAs, carto punches, volts, watts, etc. The real innovation will be a package that:

1. Is simple like a disposable, or something akin to that level of complexity.
2. Is high quality and backed by a good warranty and good customer service - like a Provari.
3. Is more customizable than a disposable only insofar as it affects the user experience - nicotine level, flavors, battery life, etc.

I think we can all agree that devices like the Provari provide a major step up from disposables in terms of quality of vape. The next step is to make the experience simple enough to get into the hands of those who won't spend hours and hours on ECF learning and customizing. Current easy-to-use disposables are not good enough to replace analogs for most people. Deliver a product that is as easy as a Blu, but as powerful as a Provari, and you may just take the industry to the next level in terms of popular acceptance and growth.

I spent years in a previous life as a tech-head and PC guy telling people to "get a Mac" so I wouldn't ever have to be the guy who fixed everyone's computer. Now, nobody calls me for such matters - their Macs generally work, they know how to use them, and they call Apple to fix them when needed. And generally speaking, the consumer doesn't need somebody like me to help set one up when they buy one.

Consider a product like the Vmod by Vapage. It really comes close to a consumer-friendly product, and it is the one I suggest to everyone I know in my crusade to get folks to quit analogs - the few who are left, that is. Offer pre-packaged bottles of juice that screw right in to the device, a step up in quality and reliability a la Provari (I only assume here, my Vmods are working perfectly after a month of heavy use and multiple drops), a good warranty, excellent customer service and widespread retail presence, and a reasonable improvement in vapor production and/or flavor extraction (Vmods are decent, but the Provari with a good atty/tank/RBA is obviously better) - and then you have the type of innovation that leads to whole new levels of revenue, and the makings of solid, effective marketing.

Most devices coming out right now seem to target the same audience of buyers, folks who are on ECF, want many and varied devices, and like to tinker with devices and accessories. Remember, the real battle is against analogs, and no device will ever be as simple or as accessible - buy a pack and some matches, rip 'em open, light one up. The killer device gives most of the satisfaction of that experience with little added complexity or time investment, plus the added bonus of myriad delicious flavors.

 

[KY_Rob]

Very good points Kataphraktos.

While I like the way you think, I'm not sure a ProVari is for everyone. It could be, what do I know

I don't think the target audience for ProVari is something that simple. It isnt an entry level device at all.

The physical act of advanced vaping (which is what ProVari provides), involves a great deal more than just the control provided by ProVari. There's a myriad of juice delivery methods and configurations. So many, that most noobs would run screaming just trying to find what suits them best for a first vape. And for all but the very few, the initial cost would be daunting.

Personally, I like a feature rich environment, that allows me every possible control, with easy access and elegant function. I do like to think about my vape, and tweak it as needed. I'm just too lazy to have to do something else to figure out where I need to set my PV.

I do realize VW isn't the be all, end all. However, I think it's going to get me within .2v of where I want to be right off the bat.

 

[Kataphraktos]

KY_Rob, I agree that the Provari products in their current form are for advanced users. I think Provape is in a somewhat unique position of selling a premium product, not in terms of the latest tech, but in terms of product reliability, safety features, relative ease of use, warranty and customer service. With this as a base, creating a more user-friendly, marketable product is low-lying fruit for them.

You could have a company like Vapage, with the Vmod, come at it from the other direction. They have the easy-to-use, simple, user-friendly device, they could up their game by creating a product with the materials, reliable design, and safety features of a Provari, and the warranty and customer service of Provape.

I single out Provape only because it is a much easier path for them from where they are as a company with their current product offerings.

 

[Odysseus]

Attachment to anything clouds one's judgement. Investment in time and resources breeds attachment.

Only the firmly attached could perceive something like VW capability as unimportant when compared to the availability of a new color.

The core of brand loyalty is self importance.

The best business decision is to make the next version VW. Why? Because all the rabid fans will trample one another to get one. Go ahead, deny it. Then place your pre-order.

 

[Harplayr]

Attachment to anything clouds one's judgement. Investment in time and resources breeds attachment.

Only the firmly attached could perceive something like VW capability as unimportant when compared to the availability of a new color.

The core of brand loyalty is self importance.

The best business decision is to make the next version VW. Why? Because all the rabid fans will trample one another to get one. Go ahead, deny it. Then place your pre-order.

Experience counts for something too
Before having a VW device, I thought much the same as you. Upon playing around with VW I quickly learned that while it's amazing in theory, all the other factors that make a great vape rendered it not much better (if at all) than a good VV device. I still had to tweak it to get my vape right.

Where I DO agree with you is that if Provape came out with a new generation that had things like VW, oled display, ego threading etc. that it would be a huge seller.

That said, I just purchased my first Provari even though it doesn't have those new whiz-bang features. The factors that won me over to open my wallet so wide were build quality, excellent regulation and size for pocketability. In the end, those are the factors that are most important to me.

 

[Odysseus]

You just got one. If a new "improved" version came out next week, how would you feel about that?

 

[Odysseus]

Although there are always exceptions, just about everybody that has a VW/VV device runs it in VW mode.

 

[pizza2me]

Do yourself a favor. Don't do the math! Just tune it to what you like. Yes, VW is cool and I wouldn't mind having one. Enjoyed the kick while I had it, but I change so much throughout the day it wasn't worth it. Whether I'm on my Provari or my BP (both of which I carry all the time), I don't care what the math says, I care what kind of hit I want.

Give it a shot. Don't worry about what wattage (or V's if you have VW!) it is, just adjust for feel. (and if it burns, turn it down a bit. )

 

[Harplayr]

You just got one. If a new "improved" version came out next week, how would you feel about that?

I have no doubt that eventually a "new and improved" version will come out.
Depending on what was improved, I might buy that too. In the meantime, I'll just continue enjoy a great vape.

 

[Tebo]

Goes the Golden Greeks have VW? and the hybrids? AKA the other top of the line mods?

 

[Kycap]

If a new and improved version does appear, i will buy another one because the one i have is the business.

Only time will tell.

 

[AaronM]

You just got one. If a new "improved" version came out next week, how would you feel about that?

I know your not asking me, but I also just got a ProVari... Waiting on shipment actually. I have asked myself this question numerous times about numerous devices.

If a new ProVari was released next week or even sometime soon, I wouldn't care. None of the APVs on the market right now meet all of my wants, not even the ProVari. I did want VW in my device along with many other things including build quality. This will be my first mod, but I have used a few of them. One of the other things I wanted was an APV without the 33.3hz chip in it, this really limited my options. To me it provides a noticeable difference in how smooth the vape is without the power cycling that goes along with them. I noticed the smoothness on a mechanical and a eVic (not a flat output but much faster duty cycle it hit nearly as good if not as good as the mech).

More then one device had a flaw that instantly knocked it off the already short list. Others just didn't come close to being what I really wanted for one reason or another. It finally came down to the L-Rider Lava Tube, eVic, and the ProVari. I wasn't going to get anything because nothing met my needs without compromising something on my list.

Then it hit me I wasn't really compromising anything with the ProVari. Expensive? Yes, but the build quality and warranty more then make up for it, it's reliable. Flat DC signal, higher amp limit then the other two devices, plenty for what I will use it for. Accurate voltage output, numerous protections, tube mod.

The only thing I wasn't getting with the ProVari compared to the eVic (my second choice) was VW. However I was getting VV and at the end of the day VV allows me to do the same thing, that is adjust power output to suit my needs.

For one reason or another there is not one device out there that does not fall short of the ProVari in one or more ways other then the ProVari lacks VW and VW is not thet important. Even with the ProVari's price tag because you get what you pay for. For these reasons, the ProVari is the only device I knew I could buy and not care less if ProVape released a new device the very next second ProVape took my money. And even if they do and I did want it. There is a very good chance I can get my v2.5 upgraded at a reasonable price, because it is the only device on the market that has the customer service record backing it that the ProVari does.

 

[Baditude]

: to AaronM. Well said my friend. I totally agree with all of your points.

At the end of the day, the only mod in this "class" that you will be able to use for years to come will be the Provari (yes, even in it's current offering). Just being able to have it serviced after the warranty played a huge factor in my decision to purchase one (or two). You won't get that with any of the other regulated mods.

 

[KY_Rob]

Aaron, Bad, you two nailed it!

(I still want my ProVari to be VW)