Vuze got approved because of their "smart" cartridge technology which does not allow hacking of the cartridge to refill it or counterfeit cartridges, kinda in the same way that printer cartridges work. And, as you said, only tobacco and menthol.
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Vuze got approved because of their "smart" cartridge technology which does not allow hacking of the cartridge to refill it or counterfeit cartridges, kinda in the same way that printer cartridges work. And, as you said, only tobacco and menthol.
The irony is, if you're selling all this vape gear for CBD or cannabis, that's totally fine and legal via medical or flat-out recreational use in most of the US by now. If you use those devices for nicotine, you're a dangerous criminal and totally shady!
It's kinda surreal, from my recollections this forum used to be super-uptight about any mention of drugs... but over the past decade, all those molecules have begun the journey of medicalization and legalization, whereas vaping open systems is being sidelined to semi-legal niches on most of planet Earth. Vaping has become the outlier. Go figure
We live in interesting times.
For what it's worth I support decriminalizing everything, and legalizing freedom. Being a pragmatist I was ready for vapocalypse by August 2016, everything since then is, I guess, the infinity bunker, so, whatever... I can keep doing what I want for another 2 or 3 lifetimes. Hooray, plus, also F--K the FDA.
Cheers & good health to all.
Interesting times indeed. I want to make CBD with a Captain Crunch flavor just to see what the FDA would do. It would be fun to watch.
In the category of "don't know exactly what this means..." (May 2021):
FDA POSTS OFFICIAL PMTA LIST OF DEEMED NEW TOBACCO PRODUCTS
and Nov. 2021:
FDA PMTA Warning Letters: Full List (Updated 11/12/2021)
All of that is presumably on the FDA website too, but I looked, and it is all obscure there, sends you in circles from link to link, back to the first one.
I am hopeful. I feel it's all about how much tax can be extorted from vapers.
FDA POSTS OFFICIAL PMTA LIST OF DEEMED NEW TOBACCO PRODUCTS
and Nov. 2021:
FDA PMTA Warning Letters: Full List (Updated 11/12/2021)
All of that is presumably on the FDA website too, but I looked, and it is all obscure there, sends you in circles from link to link, back to the first one.
I am hopeful. I feel it's all about how much tax can be extorted from vapers.
This is what it has been about from the git-go. Too many folks were losing money they had gotten used to from tobacco sales. If this miracle product had been allowed to stay on the market too much money would be lost. The pharmaceutical companies, the tobacco companies and both federal and state governments were not getting as big a payday as they were used to.
The pharmaceutical companies have more than made up for lost profits over the past 2 years so maybe they will now cut us some slack but I highly doubt it. We are now just a very slight irritation to them. Profits from stop smoking aids are just a drop in the ocean compared to the profits from vaccines folks are being forced to get. States are getting money by the fist full right now so they aren't trying to push the high sales tax as hard as they once were. The FDA is getting paid enough to keep them satisfied for now so we are on the back burner.
Do the folks running the save the children adds really think they are keeping one kid from trying out vaping? Of course if they have any sense at all they will know better than that. The more kids are told not to do something the more likely it is that they will go out of their way to do it. I truly detest the head in the cloud of vapor advertisement. The "Save The Children" groups need to keep folks scared for the sake of their children so they will continue spouting all their nonsense to keep the money rolling in.
Although there is no way I can prove it, I truly believe young folks that vape now will not get hooked on vaping like we that smoked got hooked on smoking. One day they will just put it down without a problem unlike we that smoked and the problems we face when we try to quit.
The bottom line is "it is all about the money". Always has been and always will be.
Yes, IMO I agree with you. Excise taxes are tricky, in order to make that work you have to provide some justification that whatever is being taxed is either a burden on society that would be unfair to tax society as a whole or very bad. Otherwise the general population just won't support the tax. If you look at what else has excise tax it is stuff like traditional tobacco, alcohol, gasoline, firearms, airline tickets. The government then has to make the case that vaping is either a burden or bad or both. I think a lot of what we see happening is just PR that is being used to protect the traditional tobacco excise taxes that are being lost due to vaping. In my state which is Georgia, if I smoke cigarettes it would cost me about $58 a week or so, of which around $15 is federal and state taxes. If I vape the juice and coils would cost me about $11 a week of which $0.66 are taxes for Georgia, with no direct federal taxes. And with our government, you know they have already spent the $15 in traditional tobacco taxes, probably on foolish pork barrel projects which have a kickback component. Somehow they have to make up the difference.
Actually that was about 2012, and "doom & gloom" started with the the N-Joy law suit that started in 2009.
The FDA loosing that suit really pizzed them off, and now we are feeling the result.
The reality with vaping is there has always been "doom & gloom" hanging over our heads. Do you remember the dreaded "DG" scare from the FDA?? And, as it turned out the DG was the result of dusty carboard stored in the lab, and had nothing to do with the actual products.
That was an important lesson IMO. Whenever we find a problem with a product, there will be a simple solution to that problem.
Vaping has to stay legal and available.
As it is , I remember from my smoking days 15 years ago, how terribly addictive smoking is . Much much more than vaping.
I have noticed , even though I recently only started vaping, that vaping once a day is enough!
I can't even get through a day just drinking one cup of coffee a day! I need at least 6 cups . So, caffeine is more addictive, vaping is not!
And it's not nearly as harmful as tobacco.
Yet there's all this talk about banning it ?
Clearly all just about $$$ and power. They can't get as much tax revenue from vaping.
As it is , I remember from my smoking days 15 years ago, how terribly addictive smoking is . Much much more than vaping.
I have noticed , even though I recently only started vaping, that vaping once a day is enough!
I can't even get through a day just drinking one cup of coffee a day! I need at least 6 cups . So, caffeine is more addictive, vaping is not!
And it's not nearly as harmful as tobacco.
Yet there's all this talk about banning it ?
Clearly all just about $$$ and power. They can't get as much tax revenue from vaping.
They won't outright ban vaping. It's to difficult to distinguish between nicotine and the other stuff which they don't seem to have a problem with. The nicotine may become even more difficult to obtain than it is now, which is why you should stock up and at least plan on learning DIY in the future. The hardware may be become more difficult to obtain, but it will be available. Don't lose hope. There will always be us hard core vaper around, and if you prepare now you can vape in the future as well too.
100mg Nic base freezes well, so there's no issue with buying in quantity and re-bottling it in 100ml glass bottles. Keep it in a freezer and it stays clear over time. After 3 years in the freezer, mine looks and tastes fresh. Over time, there has been no visible change.
Yo for real. Their reasons for doing any of this are total BS. Like did they pull alcoholic drinks like candy-like flavor Smirnoff off shelves? Made the alcohol manufacturers all stop using twist off caps? Yo this is rediculous. I just can't see them getting too far, it seems like the vape industry itself is fighting back. The government is just mad cause they can't get their big cut like cigarette tax, and big tobacco is mad cause they're profit losses. The "for the children" argument is total BS too. I for one, believe teens should be able to purchase 0mg nicotine e liquids and vape. Not only would it remove the "I'm not supposed to have this" factor. 0mg is not addictive. They're gonna do it anyway. Just like when I was 13 I'd steal my mom's cigarettes. It's inevitable. Some of the snacks and candies, that are sold on store shelves could be seen as more detrimental to long term health than vaping in general. I wish they had vapes back then. The fact that vapes exsists now, may even contribute to less future cigarette consumers. Another "blow" to large tobacco companies.
All in all, Its all about the $ tho. Once they find out how to get their cut, this will settle. I don't think they're just gonna ban all flavors and vapes tho, that's insane. It's too big of an industry now.
All in all, Its all about the $ tho. Once they find out how to get their cut, this will settle. I don't think they're just gonna ban all flavors and vapes tho, that's insane. It's too big of an industry now.
Oh you never give up hope, but you better learn to take care of yourself and if hope come through your well ahead of the game. I learned that from a wise man many moons ago.
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